Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

ceadaoin. · 01-12-2020 1:16am

wes wrote: »

Comparing someone choosing not to take a vaccine to someone's sexual preference, which is something they don't choose is imo messed up.

Simply put, no one has the right to go around infecting people with a disease, due to there choice to not take a vaccine. Your rights stop the second it effects someone else well being.

Anti-vaxers being prevented from infecting people is not discrimination. People have a right not to be infected by selfish idiots.

IMO, its time to stop putting up with dangerous anti-vaxers. If they refuse to be vaccinated, then employers etc have a right and imo a responsibility to protect the health of there staff and there customers (in retail settings).

I am done with anti-vaxers, don't care about them, as they have no right to infect people.

Hardly anyone gets the flu vaccine. Should they also lose their jobs and be relegated to a lower tier of society? What about those who for medical reasons can't get them? Relegated! Vaccine schedules around the world aren't even standardised. My child has been vaccinated against chicken pox for example, but that isn't common in the UK and Ireland. They must be countries full of anti vaxxers. What about all those filthy unvaccinated people traveling to the US and spreading chicken pox. Same with tb vaccinations. Not standardised. Block them all.

Have a virus that has no vaccine? Lock them up in case they spread it. Norovirus can kill an elderly person, who would want to be a murderer. Chances are many of us already are serial killers if we've ever had a contagious illness.

Maybe some sort of social credit system for the future to determine where a person can live, work or socialise would be an idea? I think some other places use it already. Many on here would be on board for sure.

This is all getting completely ridiculous now. And scary.

MOR316 · 01-12-2020 1:22am

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Hardly anyone gets the flu vaccine. Should they also lose their jobs and be relegated to a lower tier of society? What about those who for medical reasons can't get them? Relegated! Vaccine schedules around the world aren't even standardised. My child has been vaccinated against chicken pox for example, but that isn't common in the UK and Ireland. They must be countries full of anti vaxxers. What about all those filthy unvaccinated people traveling to the US and spreading chicken pox. Same with tb vaccinations. Not standardised. Block them all.

Have a virus that has no vaccine? Lock them up in case they spread it. Norovirus can kill an elderly person, who would want to be a murderer. Chances are many of us already are serial killers if we've ever had a contagious illness.

Maybe some sort of social credit system for the future to determine where a person can live, work or socialise would be an idea? I think some other places use it already. Many on here would be on board for sure.

This is all getting completely ridiculous now. And scary.

It's only the beginning.

froog · 01-12-2020 1:30am

rusty cole wrote: »

there is none as I see it, what I don't like is this rhetoric about me not being allowed on a plane, go to work or have a normal life. If the uptake is as high as some think it will be, the whole issue is not up for debate, those who are eager will take the jab and as Robert boyle would say, the skeptical chemists can leave them to it.

This undertone of NO JAB NO JOB is getting some traction as I see it!

Losing your job for not getting the vaccine is hysterical fear mongering nonsense. The only people i see talking about it are people who don't want to take the vaccine.

Arghus · 01-12-2020 1:34am

Hulk Hands wrote: »

He's been on our screens and radios the majority of days since March pushing negative crap with absolutely bonkers conditional projections around cases and deaths which have only served to scare the daylights out of those who use RTE as their sole source of news.

It's completely understandable that people lose their minds when they hear he's coming on, as he's 100/100 at this point. RTE are embarrassing themselves at this stage. Once again those posters are right, Mcconkey is one of the sole professionals in the world expressing doubt about the vaccines, the only source of hope for most. Can you come back and admit now they were right after the fact?

I don't actually know what McConkey said this evening, I didn't see the programme, but I'll see if I can find the clip.

In general I take what he has to say with a pinch of salt. He's been on the media a lot since March and over that time his opinion has changed a lot. He can be quite negative, but he's veered on the odd occasion into mad positivity.

I don't take as gospel everything that comes out of the man's mouth, but at the same time he does have some expertise in the field, he is a Professor and Consultant in Infectious Disease after all - he isn't just a randomer on boards.ie - so I don't just dismiss him automatically as a complete know nothing on the subject either.

MOR316 · 01-12-2020 1:35am

froog wrote: »

Losing your job for not getting the vaccine is hysterical fear mongering nonsense. The only people i see talking about it are people who don't want to take the vaccine.

The person who posted above, who is talking about people losing their jobs...is getting the vaccine

Only see what you want to see, as the song says

ceadaoin. · 01-12-2020 1:40am

froog wrote: »

Losing your job for not getting the vaccine is hysterical fear mongering nonsense. The only people i see talking about it are people who don't want to take the vaccine.

Or the person above who would like to see it happen

Arghus · 01-12-2020 1:46am

This is a sneak peak of what the thread will morph into over time: back and forth circular arguments with a phlanx of persistent anti-vaxxers.

ceadaoin. · 01-12-2020 1:54am

Arghus wrote: »

This is a sneak peak of what the thread will morph into over time: back and forth circular arguments with a phlanx of persistent anti-vaxxers.

Anyone who has concerns about the fastest vaccines ever sent to market being tied to the ability to travel and possibly even enter public spaces at all is an anti vaxxer? No concerns about that at all yourself?

eagle eye · 01-12-2020 1:55am

wes wrote:

I can see people losing there jobs if they won't get a vaccine, if they don't have a valid medical reason to not get it.
Personally could care less about how anti-vaxers are treated. Don't let them on planes, go to concerts, restaurants and let employers fire them imo.

Should we apply the same to those who didn't abide by lockdown rules?

maebee · 01-12-2020 2:06am

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Hardly anyone gets the flu vaccine.=

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What? There's a massive waiting list for it. I requested it in early September and finally got it today.

ceadaoin. · 01-12-2020 2:18am

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ceadaoin. wrote: »

Hardly anyone gets the flu vaccine.=

maebee wrote: »

What? There's a massive waiting list for it. I requested it in early September and finally got it today.

Well obviously this year there is a huge demand so uptake is a lot higher than usual. But yeah maybe "hardly anyone" is an exaggeration , although in some countries that is the case

https://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topics/communicable-diseases/influenza/vaccination/influenza-vaccination-coverage-and-effectiveness

Would you be in favour of flu vaccines being tied to the ability to travel, shop, attend events etc too? I think its a bad road to go down. But clearly I'm an anti vaxxer, despite getting all recommended vaccinations for my own child

Arghus · 01-12-2020 2:21am

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Anyone who has concerns about the fastest vaccines ever sent to market being tied to the ability to travel and possibly even enter public spaces at all is an anti vaxxer? No concerns about that at all yourself?

I'm not too concerned about the implications over a person's ability to travel, enter public spaces etc, etc. I think those concerns are putting the cart before the horse. We don't even have a vaccine yet so I don't know if I want to tie myself up in knots about bodily integrity arguments at this stage of the game. And, in any case, I think a lot of those arguments are actually Trojan Horses for broader anti-vaxx views in many cases, maybe they aren't in your own case.

If the vaccine or vaccines are proven to be safe and effective I don't really see much merit in the arguments for not getting vaccinated and I think if people chose to not be vaccinated in that scenario, well then I think, okay that is their choice, but they shouldn't be surprised if other choices are denied to them as a result. In my view the primacy of bodily integrity only goes so far - it doesn't go so far that your desire for bodily integrity supersedes the public health.

Ficheall · 01-12-2020 2:29am

Pretty sure I had to get a few shots for heading to Asia/South America. Didn't even realise it was impinging on my civil liberties at the time. Sh*t.

01-12-2020 2:33am

Fúck ít anyway. Vietnam's second big streak broken.

"Patient 1347", a 32-year-old Vietnamese resident of District 6, HCMC, is an English teacher by trade. He contracted the virus from his friend, a flight attendant confirmed Saturday as "Patient 1342."

The flight attendant had returned to Vietnam on November 14 and was quarantined for five days at a facility managed by Vietnam Airlines in HCMC. After two tests showed he was negative for the coronavirus, he was asked to remain quarantined at his home in Bach Dang Street, Ward 2, Tan Binh District. He came into contact with his mother and two friends, including the English teacher who lived in the same house with him.

From November 18-25, "Patient 1347" taught at the KEY English language center in Nguyen Ba Tuyen Street, Ward 12, Tan Binh District and other campuses in District 10. He also went to coffee shops and a karaoke parlor. The names of those facilities have not been released.

Everyone identified as a contact will be put into quarantine facilities so hopefully it will be contained ok.

Ficheall · 01-12-2020 2:35am

Vietnam's handling has been impressive throughout. What's the general feeling over there about it, Ads?

spookwoman · 01-12-2020 2:36am

Body integrity or not, you may just have to get a vaccine cert for travel. Example is Polio, still active in Pakistan and in 2014, the WHO made it mandatory for all people traveling from Pakistan to carry a polio vaccination certificate. If we want to go to some places we have to get a load of jabs against the local diseases. Most people have no problem getting vaccinated against mumps, measels, whooping cough and what not for their kids. Why not against covid?
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/pakistan-resumes-polio-vaccination-after-4-month-hiatus/1916188

01-12-2020 2:46am

Ficheall wrote: »

Vietnam's handling has been impressive throughout. What's the general feeling over there about it, Ads?

It's largely forgotten about but everyone very happy with the response. In general, there's been no masks or social distancing or anything for like that for six months, but if we're asked to do that again, everyone will.

Deeper Blue · 01-12-2020 3:01am

spookwoman wrote: »

Body integrity or not, you may just have to get a vaccine cert for travel. Example is Polio, still active in Pakistan and in 2014, the WHO made it mandatory for all people traveling from Pakistan to carry a polio vaccination certificate. If we want to go to some places we have to get a load of jabs against the local diseases. Most people have no problem getting vaccinated against mumps, measels, whooping cough and what not for their kids. Why not against covid?
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/pakistan-resumes-polio-vaccination-after-4-month-hiatus/1916188

Great post. Considering its effect on the world since it arrived I'm amazed people think they'll be able to travel freely without a proven vaccination.

mandrake04 · 01-12-2020 3:36am

Some people are unhappy about taking this vaccine fair enough, yet truth be told some would have no hesitation snorting a dodgy line off a toilet or swallowing pills they bought at some festival.

Gael23 · 01-12-2020 7:40am

MOR316 wrote: »

It has the potential to open a serious can of worms too.

Airlines wanting proof you've had it or you're not allowed travel. Everyone's choice or right to do whatever they want with their bodies. Start messing with that and it could potentially get very nasty

Nobody is saying you have to get it but of you chose not to then can’t board flights, attend large events and you must work from home full time.

Don’t see anything wrong with that

schmoo2k · 01-12-2020 7:54am

Gael23 wrote: »

Nobody is saying you have to get it but of you chose not to then can’t board flights, attend large events and you must work from home full time.

Don’t see anything wrong with that

Its the large events bit I don't get - why mandate that you need a vaccination to attend? Assuming the folks who don't get vaccinated are in the low risk group, then:
1 - If you get infected at the event its no different to getting infected at school etc. You know the risks and have decided its safe "enough" for your profile.
2 - You can't infect folks who have been vaccinated
3 - While you could infect someone else without a vaccine, the onus was on them to "self protect" (see point 1) and not attend the event if they are worried.

ElJeffe · 01-12-2020 7:58am

I hope they mandate it for music festivals like Glastonbury etc... Will present a real dilemma the anti vax leftie type crowd that swarm to those things.

CruelSummer · 01-12-2020 8:09am

I don’t agree with McConkey on much, but I do on what he said last night re vaccine data. Where is it? Why is it not available for our public health officials to study? We need the data for Pfizer, Astrazenca and Moderna published now.
You can’t just start administering a vaccine based on press releases.
As for this idea he has of never ending restrictions unless we’re a zero Covid island...he’s really run out of ideas to keep suggesting that and still thinks we’re New Zealand or the Azores or somewhere similarly isolated. Northern Ireland, U.K. soon to leave EU rules & ‘regain their sovereignty’. EU and ECDC trying a more coordinated approach to travel which we’ve finally signed up to. That’s the way forward once this wave passes.

joeguevara · 01-12-2020 8:15am

schmoo2k wrote: »

Its the large events bit I don't get - why mandate that you need a vaccination to attend? Assuming the folks who don't get vaccinated are in the low risk group, then:
1 - If you get infected at the event its no different to getting infected at school etc. You know the risks and have decided its safe "enough" for your profile.
2 - You can't infect folks who have been vaccinated
3 - While you could infect someone else without a vaccine, the onus was on them to "self protect" (see point 1) and not attend the event if they are worried.

Has any large event mandated a vaccine that doesn't exist to the public or is it just conjecture?

So many people have started a campaign against ticket master even though claims that they are mandating vaccine as mandatory aren't true. https://fullfact.org/health/ticketmaster-coronavirus-vaccine/

Doctors room ghost · 01-12-2020 8:20am

Ques formed already for dunnes in Galway according to the wireless and they not even open yet.
Fcukin gombeens.

joeguevara · 01-12-2020 8:21am

schmoo2k wrote: »

Its the large events bit I don't get - why mandate that you need a vaccination to attend? Assuming the folks who don't get vaccinated are in the low risk group, then:
1 - If you get infected at the event its no different to getting infected at school etc. You know the risks and have decided its safe "enough" for your profile.
2 - You can't infect folks who have been vaccinated
3 - While you could infect someone else without a vaccine, the onus was on them to "self protect" (see point 1) and not attend the event if they are worried.

Has any large event mandated a vaccine that doesn't exist to the public or is it just conjecture?

So many people have started a campaign against ticket master even though claims that they are mandating vaccine as mandatory aren't true. https://fullfact.org/health/ticketmaster-coronavirus-vaccine/

schmoo2k · 01-12-2020 8:45am

joeguevara wrote: »

Has any large event mandated a vaccine that doesn't exist to the public or is it just conjecture?

So many people have started a campaign against ticket master even though claims that they are mandating vaccine as mandatory aren't true. https://fullfact.org/health/ticketmaster-coronavirus-vaccine/

Good point - I agree this is not a thing!

What Username Guidelines · 01-12-2020 8:51am

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I've never been so stressed in my life. No social outlets, all work, no escape. Very difficult time.

Easier said than done, but get off this thread for a bit. I had a very busy week in work a couple of weeks back and wasn’t on the thread as much as usual and it really helped tbh. Only realised when I came back to it

It obviously won’t solve the social outlet issues, but it helps when it moves from top of mind anyway.

stephenjmcd · 01-12-2020 8:59am

CruelSummer wrote: »

I don’t agree with McConkey on much, but I do on what he said last night re vaccine data. Where is it? Why is it not available for our public health officials to study? We need the data for Pfizer, Astrazenca and Moderna published now.
You can’t just start administering a vaccine based on press releases.
As for this idea he has of never ending restrictions unless we’re a zero Covid island...he’s really run out of ideas to keep suggesting that and still thinks we’re New Zealand or the Azores or somewhere similarly isolated. Northern Ireland, U.K. soon to leave EU rules & ‘regain their sovereignty’. EU and ECDC trying a more coordinated approach to travel which we’ve finally signed up to. That’s the way forward once this wave passes.

Do you think the data is given to the EMA & FDA as press release.

We're not going to start administering based on press release.

I'm not sure what's so hard to grasp about this, the people who get the full data first are the regulatory bodies and thats completely proper.

fleet_admiral · 01-12-2020 9:04am

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Ques formed already for dunnes in Galway according to the wireless and they not even open yet.
Fcukin gombeens.

Sure penny's let the customers in at 6:40.

My mental wife is going up to Dundrum tonight for the novelty

Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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