Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

MOR316 · 30-11-2020 11:56pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

First time you've heard McConkey speak?
The man changes his mind every few minutes thats nothing new.

I see him on TV but, genuinely never paid much attention to him.

Hard to take any of them seriously these days

MOR316 · 30-11-2020 11:58pm

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Ok.

Schools weren't off during this survey.
Liverpool won months ago.

Did you even read the survey or are you just trying a lame attempt at humour.

Nope, was being deadly serious.

Saw it earlier today, didn't click on it. I can't honestly see how anyone's life has "improved" due to a pandemic, unless it's Liverpool supporters, who won the league or Kids, who didn't have to go to school.

Liverpool may have won it months ago but, they're still on a buzz about it.

funnydoggy · 30-11-2020 11:59pm

Azatadine wrote: »

Not to mention that he's always about 2 mins away from RTE wheeling him out to dish out negativity in case people start to feel hope.....

He'll go back into deep freeze until the next pandemic when this is all over.

Roger_007 · 01-12-2020 12:03am

Apart from McConkey and his doomsday outlook, there doesn’t appear to be any claims from the vaccine developers that the vaccine actually prevents contracting the disease. They appear to be claiming at most that it prevents ‘serious illness’.
I wish they would all publish the detailed results of their trials and stop all the speculation about what their vaccines do, or don’t do. How do they expect people to have confidence in a vaccine when they don’t reveal exactly what the vaccine does?

blowitupref · 01-12-2020 12:06am

HSE operations update

In hospital 222 (decrease of 35)
In ICU 30 (no change)

MOR316 · 01-12-2020 12:07am

Roger_007 wrote: »

Apart from McConkey and his doomsday outlook, there doesn’t appear to be any claims from the vaccine developers that the vaccine actually prevents contracting the disease. They appear to be claiming at most that it prevents ‘serious illness’.
I wish they would all publish the detailed results of their trials and stop all the speculation about what their vaccines do, or don’t do. How do they expect people to have confidence in a vaccine when they don’t reveal exactly what the vaccine does?

It has the potential to open a serious can of worms too.

Airlines wanting proof you've had it or you're not allowed travel. Everyone's choice or right to do whatever they want with their bodies. Start messing with that and it could potentially get very nasty

Deeper Blue · 01-12-2020 12:07am

Roger_007 wrote: »

Apart from McConkey and his doomsday outlook, there doesn’t appear to be any claims from the vaccine developers that the vaccine actually prevents contracting the disease. They appear to be claiming at most that it prevents ‘serious illness’.
I wish they would all publish the detailed results of their trials and stop all the speculation about what their vaccines do, or don’t do. How do they expect people to have confidence in a vaccine when they don’t reveal exactly what the vaccine does?

Preventing severe disease = Reduction in hospitalisations.

Nobody in hospital = No need for restrictions

boggerman1 · 01-12-2020 12:07am

froog wrote: »

maybe mconkeys whole deal is hamming up the doom so people stay careful until we know this thing is beat. smart guy.

Hello Sam or is it Thomas Ryan

MOR316 · 01-12-2020 12:09am

Clontarf Yacht Club :pac: :pac: :pac:

didyoufart? · 01-12-2020 12:15am

Any details on suicide rates compared to last year?

tigger123 · 01-12-2020 12:16am

MOR316 wrote: »

It has the potential to open a serious can of worms too.

Airlines wanting proof you've had it or you're not allowed travel. Everyone's choice or right to do whatever they want with their bodies. Start messing with that and it could potentially get very nasty

It is everyone's right to bodily integrity, but it is equally the right of airlines to not allow you to fly with them if they so wish.

wes · 01-12-2020 12:20am

tigger123 wrote: »

It is everyone's right to bodily integrity, but it is equally the right of airlines to not allow you to fly with them if they so wish.

I can see people losing there jobs if they won't get a vaccine, if they don't have a valid medical reason to not get it.

Personally could care less about how anti-vaxers are treated. Don't let them on planes, go to concerts, restaurants and let employers fire them imo.

MOR316 · 01-12-2020 12:24am

tigger123 wrote: »

It is everyone's right to bodily integrity, but it is equally the right of airlines to not allow you to fly with them if they so wish.

I was just using that as an example.

But again, where does that end? McDonalds for example doesn't let you in because you didn't have it? Not allowed leave your house if you don't have it?

Just saying, if that were the case, it could potentially lead to some nasty episodes in society and could have all kinds of legal ramifications.

Anyways, not arsed discussing it now. Busy trying to score reservations at the Yacht club in Clontarf

MOR316 · 01-12-2020 12:27am

wes wrote: »

Personally could care less about how anti-vaxers are treated. Don't let them on planes, go to concerts, restaurants and let employers fire them imo.

If someone doesn't want to get a vaccine, you ban them altogether? Discriminate them? Like other people in society who made choices based on their bodies and sexual preferences?

This is where it starts

This is only the beginning. The real **** show awaits us

Widdensushi · 01-12-2020 12:28am

didyoufart? wrote: »

Any details on suicide rates compared to last year?

It's like "long covid" the real effects will not be seen for many years, i recall one NPHET saying long covid was a psychological disease in one of their news conferences and thought it was refreshing

tigger123 · 01-12-2020 12:28am

MOR316 wrote: »

I was just using that as an example.

But again, where does that end? McDonalds for example doesn't let you in because you didn't have it? Not allowed leave your house if you don't have it?

Just saying, if that were the case, it could potentially lead to some nasty episodes in society and could have all kinds of legal ramifications.

Anyways, not arsed discussing it now. Busy trying to score reservations at the Yacht club in Clontarf

Again tho, McDonalds are a business, that don't have to serve you, or let you in.

However, I do agree with it being difficult to concentrate on anything when Claire Byrne is on the screen. Very tidy altogether.

Widdensushi · 01-12-2020 12:29am

wes wrote: »

I can see people losing there jobs if they won't get a vaccine, if they don't have a valid medical reason to not get it.

Personally could care less about how anti-vaxers are treated. Don't let them on planes, go to concerts, restaurants and let employers fire them imo.

Why bother, we don't need that level of immunity

podgeandrodge · 01-12-2020 12:30am

tigger123 wrote: »

However, I do agree with it being difficult to concentrate on anything when Claire Byrne is on the screen. Very tidy altogether.

Oh, I read it that it was hard to concentrate cos she keeps on interrupting all guests with that stupid confused look. Horrible interviewer imo.

No offence to other posters

Ficheall · 01-12-2020 12:31am

Roger_007 wrote: »

Apart from McConkey and his doomsday outlook, there doesn’t appear to be any claims from the vaccine developers that the vaccine actually prevents contracting the disease. They appear to be claiming at most that it prevents ‘serious illness’.
I wish they would all publish the detailed results of their trials and stop all the speculation about what their vaccines do, or don’t do. How do they expect people to have confidence in a vaccine when they don’t reveal exactly what the vaccine does?

Agreed. While it's great if they prevent serious illness, if they didn't, for example, count asymptomatic cases as people who got it in their study, it makes it much more difficult to predict for herd immunity etc..

MOR316 · 01-12-2020 12:31am

tigger123 wrote: »

However, I do agree with it being difficult to concentrate on anything when Claire Byrne is on the screen. Very tidy altogether.

MOR316 · 01-12-2020 12:32am

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Oh, I read it that it was hard to concentrate cos she keeps on interrupting all guests with that stupid confused look. Horrible interviewer imo.

She was interviewing someone?

Widdensushi · 01-12-2020 12:35am

MOR316 wrote: »

If it was Liverpool supporters and kids off school that took part in the survey, I'm not surprised.

Have you a link to this gem, I don't want to see a colonoscopy report thanks

MOR316 · 01-12-2020 12:41am

Widdensushi wrote: »

Have you a link to this gem, I don't want to see a colonoscopy report thanks

https://www.independent.ie/news/almost-half-of-us-say-life-has-changed-for-the-better-during-covid-pandemic-39808385.html

01-12-2020 12:48am

wes wrote: »

I can see people losing there jobs if they won't get a vaccine, if they don't have a valid medical reason to not get it.

Personally could care less about how anti-vaxers are treated. Don't let them on planes, go to concerts, restaurants and let employers fire them imo.

did you bang your head on the way to the party??.dosed with Americanisms like I COULD CARE LESS?

I have a moral and ethical reason for not wanting it, it's not smallpox and I'm not covered in buboes..Simon harris shouted from the soap box about a woman's choice..her body her choice..so why cant I just say I don't want one, if 90% get one then what does that matter? should I wear a star of david and catch a train? work will set me free? I've had 1 Flu in 20 years and I've been sick for 1 week in 20 years with the same Flu, never had a vaccine either..

Van.Bosch · 01-12-2020 12:54am

rusty cole wrote: »

did you bang your head on the way to the party??.dosed with Americanisms like I COULD CARE LESS?

I have a moral and ethical reason for not wanting it, it's not smallpox and I'm not covered in buboes..Simon harris shouted from the soap box about a woman's choice..her body her choice..so why cant I just say I don't want one, if 90% get one then what does that matter? should I wear a star of david and catch a train? work will set me free? I've had 1 Flu in 20 years and I've been sick for 1 week in 20 years with the same Flu, never had a vaccine either..

So you’ll chose not to take the vaccine, no one is forcing you, what’s the issue?

Hulk Hands · 01-12-2020 12:55am

Arghus wrote: »

Sure, we'll wait and see.

Gerry Killeen was on Éamonn Dunphy's podcast during the week and he was very positive about how quickly and decisively vaccination will change everything - so you know, it's not inconceivable.

Going on about people being a bunch of c*nts before they've even started talking is a bit much.

He's been on our screens and radios the majority of days since March pushing negative crap with absolutely bonkers conditional projections around cases and deaths which have only served to scare the daylights out of those who use RTE as their sole source of news.

It's completely understandable that people lose their minds when they hear he's coming on, as he's 100/100 at this point. RTE are embarrassing themselves at this stage. Once again those posters are right, Mcconkey is one of the sole professionals in the world expressing doubt about the vaccines, the only source of hope for most. Can you come back and admit now they were right after the fact?

01-12-2020 1:00am

Van.Bosch wrote: »

So you’ll chose not to take the vaccine, no one is forcing you, what’s the issue?

there is none as I see it, what I don't like is this rhetoric about me not being allowed on a plane, go to work or have a normal life. If the uptake is as high as some think it will be, the whole issue is not up for debate, those who are eager will take the jab and as Robert boyle would say, the skeptical chemists can leave them to it.

This undertone of NO JAB NO JOB is getting some traction as I see it!

wes · 01-12-2020 1:02am

MOR316 wrote: »

If someone doesn't want to get a vaccine, you ban them altogether? Discriminate them? Like other people in society who made choices based on their bodies and sexual preferences?

This is where it starts

This is only the beginning. The real **** show awaits us

Comparing someone choosing not to take a vaccine to someone's sexual preference, which is something they don't choose is imo messed up.

Simply put, no one has the right to go around infecting people with a disease, due to there choice to not take a vaccine. Your rights stop the second it effects someone else well being.

Anti-vaxers being prevented from infecting people is not discrimination. People have a right not to be infected by selfish idiots.

IMO, its time to stop putting up with dangerous anti-vaxers. If they refuse to be vaccinated, then employers etc have a right and imo a responsibility to protect the health of there staff and there customers (in retail settings).

I am done with anti-vaxers, don't care about them, as they have no right to infect people.

Van.Bosch · 01-12-2020 1:03am

rusty cole wrote: »

there is none as I see it, what I don't like is this rhetoric about me not being allowed on a plane, go to work or have a normal life. If the uptake is as high as some think it will be, the whole issue is not up for debate, those who are eager will take the jab and as Robert boyle would say, the skeptical chemists can leave them to it.

This undertone of NO JAB NO JOB is getting some traction as I see it!

You’re right, not being vaccinated may hold people back for a period. The people who take the vaccine should kill transmission and it should go away.

boardise · 01-12-2020 1:12am

MOR316 wrote: »

I was just using that as an example.

But again, where does that end? McDonalds for example doesn't let you in because you didn't have it? Not allowed leave your house if you don't have it?

Just saying, if that were the case, it could potentially lead to some nasty episodes in society and could have all kinds of legal ramifications.

Anyways, not arsed discussing it now. Busy trying to score reservations at the Yacht club in Clontarf

We hear the mantra every day - Terms & Conditions .
The provider of any service can apply whatever restrictions they choose as long as they don't contravene any law.

Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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