COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

stephenjmcd · 28-11-2020 9:38pm

hmmm wrote: »

I wasn't filled with confidence by something I read earlier in the month. If they have been working on some of these things for months (particularly with the knowledge of the potential cold storage requirements), shouldn't these names have been available immediately? (genuine question).

"Mr Martin said the taskforce will be chaired by Professor Brian MacCraith of DCU. The Chief Medical Officer will also be on the committee along withMr Reid Reid, chair of the senior officials group on Covid-19 Liz Canavan, Government chief information officer Barry Lowry, Government chief procurement officer Paul Quinn, a yet to be confirmed officials from the Department of Business, along with a logistics cold chain expert and project management expert."

The first meeting of the task force was on the 23rd, and this was published:
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/de326-first-meeting-of-the-high-level-taskforce-on-covid-19-vaccination/

Appearently HSE & Dept of health having been working on it for months and now the task force is to bring everything together for roll out.

Thats the plan appearently

Strumms · 28-11-2020 11:55pm

Water John wrote: »

Vaccinating care home residents will mostly supress the deaths from the virus.
Vaccinating any vulnerable cohort will reduce hospitalisations also and the number in ICU. That will be a major early achievement of a vaccination programme.

I’m against going straight into care homes and spending time and effort and the vaccine itself on people who have or are coming towards the end of their lives as a priority. It’s just a fûcking wokey bullshît reaction...a teddybear swinging awhhh vote getter amongst those counting their brain cells on an abacus...

I’d like to see priority given to...

1) healthcare workers

2) medically vulnerable

3) Gardai

4) Army

5) Government / staff opposition TD’s / staff

5) care home residents

6) certain public employees - government advisors etc...

7) everybody else.

Water John · 29-11-2020 12:17am

Putting aside any moral judgement, it makes sense to lower the impact on the medical services. This means treatments for other illness is not delayed.
So the priority is, those most liable to require hospitalisation and ICU care.

JTMan · 29-11-2020 8:03am

Sunday Independent reports here and here (paywall):

- Officially speaking the government are saying that vaccinations will start at the end of January but privately those involved expect vaccinations to start at the end of December.
- Supplies are probably going to arrive in December. One insider said what is the point in storing them rather than putting them to immediate use.
- Vaccinations could start 5 days to 1 week after the supplies arrive. The supplies might arrive around 11 December.
- 1.4 million people in Ireland fall under the "vulnerable" category.
- 'People over 80 in nursing homes' might be the first category to get the vaccine.
- Decisions still to be made on mass vaccinations centres. (So slow making these decisions versus other countries).

Cork2021 · 29-11-2020 8:10am

JTMan wrote: »

Sunday Independent reports here and here (paywall):

- Officially speaking the government are saying that vaccinations will start at the end of January but privately those involved expect vaccinations to start at the end of December.
- Supplies are probably going to arrive in December. One insider said what is the point in storing them rather than putting them to immediate use.
- Vaccinations could start 5 days to 1 week after the supplies arrive. The supplies might arrive around 11 December.
- 1.4 million people in Ireland fall under the "vulnerable" category.
- 'People over 80 in nursing homes' might be the first category to get the vaccine.
- Decisions still to be made on mass vaccinations centres. (So slow making these decisions versus other countries).

It’s just the Irish psych to be like this. Monday week is possible that the first jabs will be given in the UK while sometime next month we’re looking at. We are always and forever will be behind

Cork2021 · 29-11-2020 8:41am

The comment underneath the article on Facebook are unreal. Some amount of anti vax on it

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/race-is-on-to-vaccinate-the-nation-with-hopes-jabs-will-be-available-next-month-39804049.html?fbclid=IwAR2a0ZE658A384EaTAPIdDb_ueeFIBJtLQl9FR3Uvv4hMkbeELYZmS6HDG4

PCeeeee · 29-11-2020 8:52am

Cork2021 wrote: »

It’s just the Irish psych to be like this. Monday week is possible that the first jabs will be given in the UK while sometime next month we’re looking at. We are always and forever will be behind

I have no doubt the UK will commerce vaccination as fast as possible. That's easy. Do 100 people and you've started. I believe that the current government are making the starting date of vax their highest priority. You can draw your own conclusions as to why.

What I believe to be far more important is
numbers over time. The initial starting date isn't really all that important.

The UK, may well be better at vaccination. Or they may not. Time will tell

AssetBacked2 · 29-11-2020 8:59am

I wonder could one go to another country to get the vaccine if it is available sooner than in Ireland to the general public?

alchemist33 · 29-11-2020 9:01am

At least one healthcare Trust in the north is planning to start vaccinating the week of Dec 9th. Whether they succeed or not is a different matter.

irishgeo · 29-11-2020 9:06am

Nothing been approved yet and it's the 1st of December next Tuesday. Unless it's approved and shipped by the end of the week they haven't a hope.

Sky King · 29-11-2020 9:11am

The UK made an absolute balls of their handling of covid. They also like lies and spin.

Talk is cheap, I'll be holding them in high regard as a great example of vaccine rollout management that puts ours to shame when they've done it.

There's also a 'get one over on Franc and Fritz' narrative there that the tories are feeding into:

Until they've done the business and actually put us all to shame with their rollout skills, I won't be looking to the UK for leadership.

I'm taking the Irish caution as a sign its being done right. Maybe I am wrong. We'll see.

Russman · 29-11-2020 9:17am

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

I wonder could one go to another country to get the vaccine if it is available sooner than in Ireland to the general public?

I’d imagine you’d have to show residency or citizenship. Can’t imagine being able to take a spin up to Newry to get a jab tbh.

scooby77 · 29-11-2020 9:32am

Red C/ Sunday Business Post Poll very positive. 74% overall in favour of taking a vaccine shown to be safe and effective. (78% of men, 71% of women).
47% in favour of mandatory vaccine, 44% against. Those over 55 most in favour of this. Interestingly 62 % in favour of a vaccine requirement for students and those attending large gathering eg sporting events.
Its behind a paywall. I'm sure other news outlets will cover later, at moment focusing on political aspects of the poll!
Delighted ( and maybe a bit surprised) at 74% figure.

https://www.businesspost.ie/ireland/poll-finds-74-of-irish-public-in-favour-of-taking-new-vaccine-57d5b473

Cork2021 · 29-11-2020 10:05am

Just a thought.

Let’s say 100,000 will have gotten the virus before we roll out the vaccines.
Should these people be put to the back of the queue in terms of vaccination?
I know that Fauci has said that even previously infected will need the vaccine ,
but ideally they should be last

Russman · 29-11-2020 10:23am

Cork2021 wrote: »

Just a thought.

Let’s say 100,000 will have gotten the virus before we roll out the vaccines.
Should these people be put to the back of the queue in terms of vaccination?
I know that Fauci has said that even previously infected will need the vaccine ,
but ideally they should be last

That’s a good point. Is there a single register of the confirmed cases ? I wonder how hard or easy it would be to cross reference it with whatever database they use to do initial planning. Assume it’s PPS numbers, based on having to give that when you get your flu jab ?

CIARAN_BOYLE · 29-11-2020 10:31am

They're not publishing plans because there's a lot out of their control.

If vaccine x gets approved they need the data on how vaccine x does with vulnerable groups.

There is no point publishing a list saying the elderly are getting vaccinated first. Then a week later they get actual data that says efficacy on the elderly is 60% while it's 98% in other groups.

If they then pivot and make another group highest priority (expecting another vaccine to have a better performance in the elderly) did they lie to the public? I'm willing to bet a lot of people would accuse them of it?

They have a lot of plans prepared with contingencies based on data.

iamwhoiam · 29-11-2020 10:34am

Cork2021 wrote: »

Just a thought.

Let’s say 100,000 will have gotten the virus before we roll out the vaccines.
Should these people be put to the back of the queue in terms of vaccination?
I know that Fauci has said that even previously infected will need the vaccine ,
but ideally they should be last

Good point . As a non scientist my list would be something like this

Care Home nurses and carers
Care Home residents

Frontline staff including all hospital staff and ambulance crews and fire brigade

All vulnerable children and adults with underlying conditions
All Over 70
All over 65
Pharmacists and GP's

Secondary school teachers and SNA
Secondary pupils
National School teachers an d SNA

Those living with immuno compromised and very vulnerable
National school children

rest of population

Cork2021 · 29-11-2020 10:36am

Russman wrote: »

That’s a good point. Is there a single register of the confirmed cases ? I wonder how hard or easy it would be to cross reference it with whatever database they use to do initial planning. Assume it’s PPS numbers, based on having to give that when you get your flu jab ?

You’d assume as well that out of that approx 100000 figure a good amount would be from care homes etc. That would free up vaccines for other HCW and so on

iamwhoiam · 29-11-2020 10:37am

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

They're not publishing plans because there's a lot out of their control.

If vaccine x gets approved they need the data on how vaccine x does with vulnerable groups.

There is no point publishing a list saying the elderly are getting vaccinated first. Then a week later they get actual data that says efficacy on the elderly is 60% while it's 98% in other groups.

If they then pivot and make another group highest priority (expecting another vaccine to have a better performance in the elderly) did they lie to the public? I'm willing to bet a lot of people would accuse them of it?

They have a lot of plans prepared with contingencies based on data.

Prof Karina Butler made that very point too

Cork2021 · 29-11-2020 10:38am

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Good point . As a non scientist my list would be something like this

Care Home nurses and carers
Care Home residents

Frontline staff including all hospital staff and ambulance crews and fire brigade

All vulnerable children and adults with underlying conditions
All Over 70
All over 65
Pharmacists and GP's

Secondary school teachers and SNA
Secondary pupils
National School teachers an d SNA

Those living with immuno compromised and very vulnerable
National school children

rest of population

I’d nearly put essential retail workers onto a priority list. Supermarkets, butchers etc we need them open

Russman · 29-11-2020 10:39am

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

They're not publishing plans because there's a lot out of their control.

If vaccine x gets approved they need the data on how vaccine x does with vulnerable groups.

There is no point publishing a list saying the elderly are getting vaccinated first. Then a week later they get actual data that says efficacy on the elderly is 60% while it's 98% in other groups.

If they then pivot and make another group highest priority (expecting another vaccine to have a better performance in the elderly) did they lie to the public? I'm willing to bet a lot of people would accuse them of it?

They have a lot of plans prepared with contingencies based on data.

That’s very fair and you’d hope it’s correct.
It’s like waiting for Santa though isn’t it, we’re all hanging on every utterance and interview given, to glean a bit more info.
Hopefully regardless of what the priority list is, they’ll soon be able to tell us some of the logistical stuff that has to happen anyway, like where the Pfizer one (because of its storage requirements) will be administered, where the vaccine hubs might be, will the army be involved etc etc.

zerosugarbuzz · 29-11-2020 10:41am

Cork2021 wrote: »

I’d nearly put essential retail workers onto a priority list. Supermarkets, butchers etc we need them open

Virtually none of them have become ill from Covid since last March. Something in that I think.

Russman · 29-11-2020 10:41am

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Good point . As a non scientist my list would be something like this

Care Home nurses and carers
Care Home residents

Frontline staff including all hospital staff and ambulance crews and fire brigade

All vulnerable children and adults with underlying conditions
All Over 70
All over 65
Pharmacists and GP's

Secondary school teachers and SNA
Secondary pupils
National School teachers an d SNA

Those living with immuno compromised and very vulnerable
National school children

rest of population

I’d broadly agree. Have any of the vaccines been tested on 12-18 year olds ? I can’t remember.

lbj666 · 29-11-2020 10:48am

Cork2021 wrote: »

Just a thought.

Let’s say 100,000 will have gotten the virus before we roll out the vaccines.
Should these people be put to the back of the queue in terms of vaccination?
I know that Fauci has said that even previously infected will need the vaccine ,
but ideally they should be last

If it gets too granular on whos priority or not, it'll be forever rolling out. Priority list was drawn with those first batchs in mind. Supply should be the critical factor.
At some point a line must be drawn and say right! its available for everyone, moving down the age groups.

is_that_so · 29-11-2020 10:48am

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

I wonder could one go to another country to get the vaccine if it is available sooner than in Ireland to the general public?

There will be limited supplies, for a while anyway unless you're in an at risk group.

wadacrack · 29-11-2020 10:49am

Conspiracy theories/ miss information online having way to much of an influence on younger age groups. The risks of side effects from ths vaccine will be far less than the virus.

https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1332998808855252992

is_that_so · 29-11-2020 10:52am

Sky King wrote: »

The UK made an absolute balls of their handling of covid. They also like lies and spin.

Talk is cheap, I'll be holding them in high regard as a great example of vaccine rollout management that puts ours to shame when they've done it.

There's also a 'get one over on Franc and Fritz' narrative there that the tories are feeding into:

Until they've done the business and actually put us all to shame with their rollout skills, I won't be looking to the UK for leadership.

I'm taking the Irish caution as a sign its being done right. Maybe I am wrong. We'll see.

Pretty much agree with this; the UK almost have to be seen to be doing something positive, plus we have a COVID plan for the next 5-6 weeks already. January was always the starting point for us.

lbj666 · 29-11-2020 11:05am

wadacrack wrote: »

Conspiracy theories/ miss information online having way to much of an influence on younger age groups. The risks of side effects from ths vaccine will be far less than the virus.

https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1332998808855252992

It's more to do with different age groups weighting up their doubts Vs chances of getting a bad dose of covid. Chances of a bad dose get less if the are younger.

I would say all age groups are as vulnerable to misinfo as anyone else, younger may get it online but older would get it's from hear say and old wives tails etc. Or that one story they heard on the news etc.

Anyway it's not the thread for it.

Micky 32 · 29-11-2020 11:10am

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

I wonder could one go to another country to get the vaccine if it is available sooner than in Ireland to the general public?

I was chatting to a friend about that the other day. She was born in the UK , she’s 50 but living in Ireland 45 years. She was wondering would she be entitled to a UK vaccine because she’s technically a UK citizen but i suspect you have to be resident in the other country, could be wrong though.

Irish Stones · 29-11-2020 11:26am

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

I wonder could one go to another country to get the vaccine if it is available sooner than in Ireland to the general public?

I also wonder if vaccine is given to people who are not citizens of a country, but where they are living in for a reason.
I know foreign people in my country, and I wonder if they have to go back to their own country (and stay there for several weeks) to have it. Same thing will apply for the rest of the world.

Over here in Italy, there's the urban legend that most Chinese persons have gone back to China to get their vaccine, and that several doses have been smuggled into Italy for those Chinese citizens that can't travel back. Of course, when asked by TV reporters, the Chinese community says they know nothing about this, or they pretend not to understand our language.

iguana · 29-11-2020 11:31am

wadacrack wrote: »

Conspiracy theories/ miss information online having way to much of an influence on younger age groups. The risks of side effects from ths vaccine will be far less than the virus.

Another thing is that the older generations are much more inclined to accept what they are told by some they perceive to be an expert. My 90 year old grandmother wouldn't hesitate to take something her doctor tells her to take. When either he or the government tells her to come and get her vaccine, she will take her vaccine without question. Younger generations are more likely to question 'expert' advice because we're more educated and have experienced cases of experts being wrong and it having negative consequences, either ourselves or know if others.

It's not wrong of us to question things. The problem comes from people utterly misdirecting their scepticism. I've had experience of my son being mis-prescribed and given a medicine that made his condition worse. I believe I asked the right questions at the time and I'm still quite angry that he was given what he was given. But I'm not going to let one doctor making a mistake sour me on the whole of western medicine. That would be just stupid. But I have unfortunately had people I know, use my son's experience as part of their argument for not trusting doctors, the health system and vaccinations.

iguana · 29-11-2020 11:32am

Irish Stones wrote: »

Over here in Italy, there's the urban legend that most Chinese persons have gone back to China to get their vaccine, and that several doses have been smuggled into Italy for those Chinese citizens that can't travel back. Of course, when asked by TV reporters, the Chinese community says they know nothing about this, or they pretend not to understand our language.

That definitely sounds like an urban legend considering the fact that the majority of Chinese citizens living in China have yet to be vaccinated.

Irish Stones · 29-11-2020 11:36am

iguana wrote: »

That definitely sounds like an urban legend considering the fact that the majority of Chinese citizens living in China have yet to be vaccinated.

Yes, that's true, but someone claims there's a "secret vaccine" over there, and that many are getting it. Sounds like a fake news, indeed.

But this might explain why most Chinese shops have been closed several days now, and aren't planning to open soon.
Milan, the main city in the north of the country, has a large neighbour with Chinese only, and most shops are closed. It was on TV two days ago.

BrianD3 · 29-11-2020 11:40am

Russman wrote: »

That’s very fair and you’d hope it’s correct.
It’s like waiting for Santa though isn’t it, we’re all hanging on every utterance and interview given, to glean a bit more info.
Hopefully regardless of what the priority list is, they’ll soon be able to tell us some of the logistical stuff that has to happen anyway, like where the Pfizer one (because of its storage requirements) will be administered, where the vaccine hubs might be, will the army be involved etc etc.

Re: the logistical stuff, the authorities can have all the task forces, committees, implementation groups and meetings of same that they want, they obviously also need practical, technical people with a knowledge of how things work on the ground.

I worked in the public service for many years and saw several issues/delays with much smaller projects and programmes due to lack of practical knowledge and not asking the right people for their input.

For these vaccines, if, for example, consumables are needed to administer them has it been verified that there will be enough (in date) consumables in the warehouse. We don't want another PPE or PCR buffer situation and the HSE going into spin mode about there being a worldwide shortage. Also technical things like say (completely making this up as an illustration) if cold storage units are to be distributed to GP surgeries do they need single or three phase electricity.

The vaccine rollout is one of the most important things that we've done since the foundation of the state. Too late now but maybe there should have been some form of public consultation weeks ago. You'd get a lot of rubbish back but it would also be guaranteed that you 'd get some good titbits that could make a real difference.

Irish Stones · 29-11-2020 11:41am

iguana wrote: »

But I have unfortunately had people I know, use my son's experience as part of their argument for not trusting doctors, the health system and vaccinations.

I lost my trust in doctors and their like when my GP made a similar mistake on myself.
I had a condition, that doctor tried what she thought it might be a good treatment, and caused a series of events that not only didn't cure my condition, but also made a few things worse.
I haven't fully recovered from them after 13 years.
So if someone asks me for my opinion on doctors, well... you know the answer!

iguana · 29-11-2020 11:42am

Irish Stones wrote: »

Yes, that's true, but someone claims there's a "secret vaccine" over there, and that many are getting it. Sounds like a fake news, indeed.

As far as I know, there are two vaccines being given in China at present. Cansino and Sinopharm. This isn't a secret. But China are nowhere near completing vaccination of their people at home. From what I have heard from people with family in China, vaccination is prioritised for people in regions where there are or have been outbreaks. People in cities where Covid hasn't been a big problem aren't expecting to be vaccinated in the immediate future.

ACitizenErased · 29-11-2020 11:45am

That Sunday Times article posted a few pages back boils my blood.
Why the **** are we waiting a few days before starting vaccinations?

It literally takes 3-4 hours max from Dublin to anywhere in the country - they could start same day ffs

29-11-2020 11:59am

wadacrack wrote: »

Conspiracy theories/ miss information online having way to much of an influence on younger age groups. The risks of side effects from ths vaccine will be far less than the virus.

https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1332998808855252992

My mam is in her late 60s. When she was a child she lived next door to a man with Polio. Seeing the effects of it first hand absolutely frightened the life out of her.

Part of the problem is younger generations have grown up without seeing the devastation caused by infectious diseases before vaccines.

Micky 32 · 29-11-2020 12:02pm

Irish Stones wrote: »

I also wonder if vaccine is given to people who are not citizens of a country, but where they are living in for a reason.
.

I would say foreigners and illegals ( like in the USA etc) will get access to the vaccines because this is about curbing the spread of the virus.

hmmm · 29-11-2020 12:04pm

BrianD3 wrote: »

The vaccine rollout is one of the most important things that we've done since the foundation of the state. Too late now but maybe there should have been some form of public consultation weeks ago. You'd get a lot of rubbish back but it would also be guaranteed that you 'd get some good titbits that could make a real difference.

Even if they have made extensive preparations in the background, at least some of this should have been done in public - the politicians should have led on this.

Potentially 250,000 people in Ireland could be asked to attend for vaccinations over the next few weeks. I don't think the population realises how quickly this could happen, and with any sudden change you need to prepare people for it particularly when there is so much disinformation being posted on social media about vaccines.

JTMan · 29-11-2020 12:12pm

David McRedmond (CEO of An Post) has called for a "sense of urgency" in vaccine distribution in Ireland like there is in the UK. He is correct, we need to hear urgency and a push for speed in the voices of politicians and the HSE. This has to happen quickly to save lives.

Meanwhile, Dr Adrian Hill one of the leaders of the Oxford Vaccine has said vaccine rollout should see normality return “late-Spring /early-Summer”. A separate report in the UK yesterday said that normality would resume around 4 April 2021 (Easter) in the UK. In the US, those in charge of vaccine distribution say normality will resume in May 2021.

https://twitter.com/DavidMcredmond/status/1333005304494252034

29-11-2020 12:29pm

JTMan wrote: »

David McRedmond (CEO of An Post) has called for a "sense of urgency" in vaccine distribution in Ireland like there is in the UK. He is correct, we need to hear urgency and a push for speed in the voices of politicians and the HSE. This has to happen quickly to save lives.

Meanwhile, Dr Adrian Hill one of the leaders of the Oxford Vaccine has said vaccine rollout should see normality return “late-Spring /early-Summer”. A separate report in the UK yesterday said that normality would resume around 4 April 2021 (Easter) in the UK. In the US, those in charge of vaccine distribution say normality will resume in May 2021.

https://twitter.com/DavidMcredmond/status/1333005304494252034

Germany I think have said September for a return to normality. Canada last week said October.

I think that the more populist leaders (US and UK most notably), are massively overpromising. It’s not like they don’t have a track record in that regard.

Marhay70 · 29-11-2020 12:30pm

JTMan wrote: »

David Redmond (CEO of An Post) has called for a "sense of urgency" in vaccine distribution in Ireland like there is in the UK. He is correct, we need to hear urgency and a push for speed in the voices of politicians and the HSE. This has to happen quickly to save lives.

Meanwhile, Dr Adrian Hill one of the leaders of the Oxford Vaccine. He says vaccine rollout should see normality return “late-Spring /early-Summer”. A separate report in the UK yesterday said that normality would resume around 4 April 2020 (Easter) in the UK. In the US, those in charge of vaccine distribution say normality will resume in May 2020.

https://twitter.com/DavidMcredmond/status/1333005304494252034

Saw a different interview with Dr Hill where he was being questioned by a panel and it gave me great confidence to see the ease with which he fielded their questions. There is nothing that dents confidence more than to see an "expert" constantly referring to notes when asked to explain the basics of his brief.

charlie14 · 29-11-2020 2:17pm

hmmm wrote: »

Even if they have made extensive preparations in the background, at least some of this should have been done in public - the politicians should have led on this.

Potentially 250,000 people in Ireland could be asked to attend for vaccinations over the next few weeks. I don't think the population realises how quickly this could happen, and with any sudden change you need to prepare people for it particularly when there is so much disinformation being posted on social media about vaccines.

I would tend to perhaps give them a slight pass on this in that with the lockdown due to be lifted an exact timetable would perhaps induce a sense of careless giddiness in some. But I would certainly expect to details before years end.

Leftwaffe · 29-11-2020 4:13pm

I’m still of the opinion that we will make an absolute balls of this vaccine roll out and will somehow end up being last in the table. The tip of the iceberg is just showing now, wait until people see mass vaccinations in the UK and elsewhere and we’re left listening to Stephen Donnelly tell us how it isn’t possible. It’s only just beginning

29-11-2020 4:53pm

I seen that Stephen Donnelly said on Newstalk that he does not expect vaccinations to start until early in the new year.

Pretty much every other country I've seen expects to begin before the end of the year. What's the delay?

ACitizenErased · 29-11-2020 4:54pm

Hardyn wrote: »

I seen that Stephen Donnelly said on Newstalk that he does not expect vaccinations to start until early in the new year.

Pretty much every other country I've seen expects to begin before the end of the year. What's the delay?

I heard that too. I'm not happy, that's ridiculous.

CruelSummer · 29-11-2020 5:02pm

Has the data been published from Pfizer, Moderna and Astrazenca or is it just press releases to date?

is_that_so · 29-11-2020 5:08pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I heard that too. I'm not happy, that's ridiculous.

In the context of the dates of our plan being completed that's as early as it can be. There's also no guarantee that all of the ambitious plans in other countries will come to pass as planned or promised. The actual approval date of vaccines will determine when it starts. At most they'll be 3 weeks ahead of us.

Deeper Blue · 29-11-2020 5:22pm

is_that_so wrote: »

In the context of the dates of our plan being completed that's as early as it can be. There's also no guarantee that all of the ambitious plans in other countries will come to pass as planned or promised. The actual approval date of vaccines will determine when it starts. At most they'll be 3 weeks ahead of us.

Why shouldn't we be in line with them?

3 weeks would be a ridiculous delay

COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Comments