COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

holdyerhorses

Thierry12 wrote: »

If you vaccinate the people that get sick

The 50+ age group

Does it matter if unvaccinated come into the country?

They are not going to kill people as the young don't die from this.

This will be an adult only vaccine for a long time imo

This is the key point with current candidates. None of then will be sterilising. Their goal is to prevent the disease/illness. If that goal is met, then you can take any talk of mandatory vaccinations, passports etc off the table, their desire is then purely political, as once a person is vaccinated, they will become less of a burden on healthcare capacity.

If one of the current most likely candidates is successfull, it, plus treatments, and no mandates or passports, and we will be back to pre 2020 normality very quickly.

tobefrank321

hmmm wrote: »

So much misinformation to be tackled.

https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1321514907536338944

Its obvious immunity is reasonably long lasting, on average at least a year, otherwise China and Italy in particular would have seen substantial reinfections by now, in the thousands or tens of thousands. This fact is oddly ignored by those who say you can be reinfected within months. While theoretically possible, the odds are millions to one.

Hmmzis

hmmm wrote: »

Any idea how durable the antibodies you'd receive would be? i.e. if you get a shot of this how long could you be expected to produce a robust immune response.

Roche are apparently responsible for manufacturing it in Europe.

As Voltex said, about a month, two tops. To go longer the Fc interacting tail needs to be choped off (AZ are in phase 3 of their version of that). They're passive antibodies, so the patients own immune response would not get involved, or at least not much (the nose would still be a trouble area as not much IgG can get there from plasma).

BorneTobyWilde

If Biden gets in a vaccine would take years, Trump for his faults get things done fast. More tests than anyone, more ventilators ect.

Biden would never have got those ventilators built from scratch,

theguzman

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If Biden gets in a vaccine would take years, Trump for his faults get things done fast. More tests than anyone, more ventilators ect.

Biden would never have got those ventilators built from scratch,

Biden is not cut out for this anymore, why didn't he run 4 years ago instead the Dems left Hillary go as if it was her turn, same with Biden as if it was his turn. Once Trump leaves office in January 2025 I can see Ted Cruz getting elected for the GOP.

tobefrank321

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If Biden gets in a vaccine would take years, Trump for his faults get things done fast. More tests than anyone, more ventilators ect.

Biden would never have got those ventilators built from scratch,

Luckily most Americans disagree with your opinion.

polesheep

Thierry12 wrote: »

If you vaccinate the people that get sick

The 50+ age group

Does it matter if unvaccinated come into the country?

They are not going to kill people as the young don't die from this.

This will be an adult only vaccine for a long time imo

Jebus, it's getting younger by the day.

polesheep

theguzman wrote: »

Biden is not cut out for this anymore, why didn't he run 4 years ago instead the Dems left Hillary go as if it was her turn, same with Biden as if it was his turn. Once Trump leaves office in January 2025 I can see Ted Cruz getting elected for the GOP.

Trump is finished. Biden looks as though he might not see out the four years of his term.

Thierry12

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Its obvious immunity is reasonably long lasting, on average at least a year, otherwise China and Italy in particular would have seen substantial reinfections by now, in the thousands or tens of thousands. This fact is oddly ignored by those who say you can be reinfected within months. While theoretically possible, the odds are millions to one.

Wouldn't be so sure

China has no Covid for a long time and Italy had it almost eradicated in the summer, ****ed now though, chances of being reinfected weren't high.

An interesting expirement was done by an eastern european scientist on that reinfection theory

He got infected with Covid in Feb/March, got pretty sick but didn't need hospital treatment

He then deliberately tried to catch Covid again to check immunity timespan, going into Covid patient wards monthly

He checked his antibody level monthly in April, May, June, July etc, after 4 months it fell pretty quickly he noted

He got reinfected in August I believe and spent 6 days in hospital, his reinfection was much worse and happened when antibody level was almost non existent

His conclusion was immunity doesn't last long if exposed to the virus frequently and vaccinating every 6 months will have massive issues

Thierry12

holdyerhorses wrote: »

This is the key point with current candidates. None of then will be sterilising. Their goal is to prevent the disease/illness. If that goal is met, then you can take any talk of mandatory vaccinations, passports etc off the table, their desire is then purely political, as once a person is vaccinated, they will become less of a burden on healthcare capacity.

If one of the current most likely candidates is successfull, it, plus treatments, and no mandates or passports, and we will be back to pre 2020 normality very quickly.

Exactly

1st gen vaccines make you asymptomatic

Good news like your implying is people that are asymptomatic in general anyway like children/young healthy adults won't need the vaccine

Vaccinate older adults and your game

Deeper Blue

Thierry12 wrote: »

Wouldn't be so sure

China has no Covid for a long time and Italy had it almost eradicated in the summer, ****ed now though, chances of being reinfected weren't high.

An interesting expirement was done by an eastern european scientist on that reinfection theory

He got infected with Covid in Feb/March, got pretty sick but didn't need hospital treatment

He then deliberately tried to catch Covid again to check immunity timespan, going into Covid patient wards monthly

He checked his antibody level monthly in April, May, June, July etc, after 4 months it fell pretty quickly he noted

He got reinfected in August I believe and spent 6 days in hospital, his reinfection was much worse and happened when antibody level was almost non existent

His conclusion was immunity doesn't last long if exposed to the virus frequently and vaccinating every 6 months will have massive issues

Any chance of a link to that Eastern European study?

Thierry12

polesheep wrote: »

Jebus, it's getting younger by the day.

I'm being generous

To be on the safe side

It should be anyone over 30 or BMI over 25

Being fat can be worse than age

Thierry12

El Sueño wrote: »

Any chance of a link to that Eastern European study?

It was one guy

A crazy one

http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/news/professor-69-risked-his-life-by-deliberately-catching-covid-19-to-test-his-immune-response/

ILoveYourVibes

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If Biden gets in a vaccine would take years, Trump for his faults get things done fast. More tests than anyone, more ventilators ect.

Biden would never have got those ventilators built from scratch,

So many fallacies.

BorneTobyWilde

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If Biden gets in a vaccine would take years, Trump for his faults get things done fast. More tests than anyone, more ventilators ect.

Biden would never have got those ventilators built from scratch,

About the only thing Trump has succeeded in doing is to continue to get 40% of the US population to believe this ****. That and appoint a few judges

Irish Stones

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Its obvious immunity is reasonably long lasting, on average at least a year, otherwise China and Italy in particular would have seen substantial reinfections by now, in the thousands or tens of thousands. This fact is oddly ignored by those who say you can be reinfected within months. While theoretically possible, the odds are millions to one.

I've been keeping saying this for months.
I also posted something like this a few days ago.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115069394&postcount=4249

I was talking about my country, Italy, and I said that if reonfection is that easy, why aren't we counting thousands of reinfections?

So far, out of 40+ millions cases around the world, only 20 or so cases of reinfections have been officially reported.
That is 1 case every 2 million, hardly a chance, I guess.

Irish Stones

Thierry12 wrote: »

His conclusion was immunity doesn't last long if exposed to the virus frequently and vaccinating every 6 months will have massive issues

And why aren't there thousands reinfection cases in the world?
This experiment proves that reinfection is possible, not likely.

timsey tiger

Thierry12 wrote: »

I'm being generous

To be on the safe side

It should be anyone over 30 or BMI over 25

Being fat can be worse than age

Fat isn't worse than age and for British medics having a BMI over 35 has the same risk loading as being between 60 and 70. BMI less than 35 has no risk loading.

Professor Moriarty

Thierry12 wrote: »

I'm being generous

To be on the safe side

It should be anyone over 30 or BMI over 25

Being fat can be worse than age

What? I have a BMI of 26 and I'm very fit. If you took the BMI of many professional rugby players they would fall well into 26-30. Think muscle mass.

jackboy

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

What? I have a BMI of 26 and I'm very fit. If you took the BMI of many professional rugby players they would fall well into 26-30. Think muscle mass.

BMI applies to ordinary people only, not professional athletes, so rugby players are not relevant.

Professor Moriarty

jackboy wrote: »

BMI applies to ordinary people only, not professional athletes, so rugby players are not relevant.

I know, it just illustrates my point. I have friends who would be heavier than me but are extremely fit. BMI is a generalisation at best.

jackboy

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I know, it just illustrates my point. I have friends who would be heavier than me but are extremely fit. BMI is a generalisation at best.

I think waist measurements are more relevant as there are no major muscle groups in that area to bulk out the measurements.

tobefrank321

Irish Stones wrote: »

And why aren't there thousands reinfection cases in the world?
This experiment proves that reinfection is possible, not likely.

Agreed. You would think healthcare staff in particular would be continually at risk after initial infection. They are among the most exposed, tested and analyzed. I'm not sure there's been any reinfections anywhere among healthcare staff unless someone can link to it?

As for our Siberian Times friend, I think I will wait until his "experiment" has been peer reviewed by respected experts.

Professor Moriarty

jackboy wrote: »

I think waist measurements are more relevant as there are no major muscle groups in that area to bulk out the measurements.

Indeed, body fat is a better indicator.

tobefrank321

jackboy wrote: »

I think waist measurements are more relevant as there are no major muscle groups in that area to bulk out the measurements.

Anything over a 40 inch waist in a man is generally considered high risk, not just covid but diabetes, heart issues, and so on.

polesheep

Thierry12 wrote: »

I'm being generous

To be on the safe side

It should be anyone over 30 or BMI over 25

Being fat can be worse than age

I think it's better to look at facts and figures rather than make guesstimates.

Thierry12

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I know, it just illustrates my point. I have friends who would be heavier than me but are extremely fit. BMI is a generalisation at best.

It works for general population what's its designed for

Not muscular rugby players on endogenous hormones

I have a BMI of 28, I'm pretty muscular and lean at 90kg, maybe 15% bf, can bench 140kg, dead 220kg, snatch 100kg

Is it healthy, maybe.

My heart has to work alot harder at my 90kg muscularish frame than it would at my optimum weight of 75-78kg and my blood pressure of 129/84 is higher than it would be at that 78kg

Big muscular rugby players are not healthy, that muscle and weight is not good for the heart long term, most slim down later in life

Thierry12

polesheep wrote: »

I think it's better to look at facts and figures rather than make guesstimates.

Being fat is a health risk with Covid, regardless of age

Thats a fact

tobefrank321

Thierry12 wrote: »

Being fat is a health risk with Covid, regardless of age

Thats a fact

Agreed. Although most of the people you see end up in ICU seem to be hugely obese. They'd surely be among the first in line for a vaccine.

polesheep

Thierry12 wrote: »

Being fat is a health risk with Covid, regardless of age

Thats a fact

It's not actually, being obese increases the risk. Randomly picking an age of 30 is not based on fact.