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Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,702 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Had a few pints to celebrate the waterford win have we?

    Very much


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    OK, let's explain it in words of half a syllable in the forlorn hope that some of the people that haven't got it yet might get why some of the pubs remain closed.

    The decision was made that pubs that don't serve food or have a kitchen in the premises are to remain closed. That's NOT saying that there's anything wrong with the precautions that may have been taken by the owner/landlord, it's just one way that the relevant people who make the decision have used as a necessary way to reduce the overall number of hospitality locations that are open and facilitating gathering of significant numbers of people, which is one of the major contributors to the spread of Covid across the population.

    Like it or not, there are several levels of hospitality.

    No 1 is the hotels.
    No 2 is restaurants and pubs that serve hot meals with a reasonable menu selection
    No 3 is "wet" pubs, that effectively only sell (primarily) alcoholic drink, though they might sell peanuts and crisps if you are lucky.

    Brutal reality is that of the 3, if we need to reduce the total number of places where contact needs to be reduced, then group 3, the wet pubs, are serving the least beneficial total contribution to the mix. People need sleep, they need food, they can manage without alcoholic drink.

    Maybe it would have been better if they'd said that all pubs painted green had to stay closed, or that if the name started with "T", or "F", or "L", they had to remain closed.

    For all sorts of reasons, there's no easy option to allow some to open some days, and others to open on different days, and all hospitality open will only allow too much contact to keep the virus under control until there is a vaccine option available to supress it.

    Food or no food is not really the issue, though there are good reasons for having food in the equation, as it does help to influence the total alcohol intake. Note I've said nothing about behaviour after too much drink is taken, though to deny that there are problems in this area is to ignore the elephant in the room.

    The real reason for keeping things tight is to try and contain the spread of the virus, by reducing the number of places where numbers of people can gather for prolonged periods of time, and like it or not, it IS that simple.

    The fact that some people get Covid and don't know they've got it only serves to make it more dangerous, in that their contact with other people may put vulnerable people at risk of contracting it, and their outcome may not be so benign.

    Take a look at the figures coming out of some of the US states, do we really want that level of infection and death here, and the answer to that HAS to be a resounding NO. There may be a hundred different reasons why the death toll is so high, the reasons are in many respects irrelevant, the fact that people are dying when they did not need to is all we need to know, and anyone that thinks it's acceptable to put others at risk for their own pleasure has a much bigger problem than a possible dependence on alcohol.

    The constant focus on wet pubs is only serving to annoy people who want to participate in larger gatherings for things like music, sport, theatre, etc, which have been equally badly affected by the ongoing restrictions. There are also massive effects on a range of social gatherings, but that's a much wider issue than the fact that some rural pubs can't operate at the moment, and not something that can be changed or dealt with until Covid is back under control, which right now it very much is NOT.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Can't see non food pubs opening at all now in December.

    Or Jan for that matter..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,446 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    It is truly depressing that in 2020 we have such attitudes, i give up

    The man is using a handheld device that utilises satellites orbiting the planet, as well as other means, that is interconnected to every other person on the world with one of these devices, or one similar.

    This device allows him to access almost every piece of information known to man. Almost every piece of information ever discovered or created, from the beginning of time.

    And he called science "waffle".

    Incredible!!


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    The man is using a handheld device that utilises satellites orbiting the planet, as well as other means, that is interconnected to every other person on the world with one of these devices, or one similar.

    This device allows him to access almost every piece of information known to man. Almost every piece of information ever discovered or created, from the beginning of time.

    And he called science "waffle".

    Incredible!!


    Hmmmmm, I wonder what the judgement on some of the posts in this thread will be in the fullness of time. In a few months even, there will likely be people who will read these threads and wonder at the sanity of some of the opinions that have been expressed. The internet has some serious questions to answer about the validity and accuracy of a considerable quantity of the content, made massively worse by search engines (are you listening Google) that present as answers multiple pages that contain something that might be close to the search term that has been entered.

    And no, this is not a backhanded swipe at MrStuffins, it's an observation on the overall quality of some of the stuff that's been hitting this site over the last while, and this site is nowhere near as bad as some of the bigger offenders.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,446 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Hmmmmm, I wonder what the judgement on some of the posts in this thread will be in the fullness of time. In a few months even, there will likely be people who will read these threads and wonder at the sanity of some of the opinions that have been expressed. The internet has some serious questions to answer about the validity and accuracy of a considerable quantity of the content, made massively worse by search engines (are you listening Google) that present as answers multiple pages that contain something that might be close to the search term that has been entered.

    And no, this is not a backhanded swipe at MrStuffins, it's an observation on the overall quality of some of the stuff that's been hitting this site over the last while, and this site is nowhere near as bad as some of the bigger offenders.

    Yes, there has been some absolute rubbish posted. People calling for "vengeance", people calling for publicans to incite their customers to violence against the Gardai, people being accused of being paedophiles (for some weird reason) for having different opinions on restrictions.

    Conspiracy theory stuff with people talking of "Power Grabs", claiming there's a shadowy plot to keep pubs closed forever, a plot to keep us all locked down in a bit of control us and take away our freedoms.

    Outright Covid denial, where people are denying that the virus is real. Also, denying that the vaccine is real.

    All found on this thread!

    "Mehole" this, "Dr Death" that, "scientific waffle" the other.

    It's all gone a bit creepy!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,316 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Very much

    Don't agree at all with your comment back there , but think you are excused everything because of the night that's in it !
    Enjoy the celebrations and congratulations :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,386 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    MOH wrote: »
    Nobody's talking about night-long sessions ending in packed nightclubs.t.
    I am, so case closed, somebody is. Now, what is your understanding of the legal definition of the difference between a nightclub and a "regular pub" with no restrictions and a nighclub? is it only the opening hours? and if so explain what difference that would those hours make to anybody? Do you think nightclubs should be open , do you think pubs with pre-covid restrictions should be open?

    I have been in plenty of pubs that turn into, what I am told are "nightclubs" just because of opening hours (maybe there are other laws I am unaware of, like the meal laws that distinguish restaurants from pubs). Plenty here seem to be agreed that a "nightclub" (whatever that is) should not be allowed to open for now.

    For anybody who thinks nightclubs should remain closed then what legal requirements do you thing should be in place if gardai are to be able to enter a premises at midnight on a friday and be able to say "this is not a pub, it's a nightclub and therefore illegal". Spell it clearly out in legal terms, of course a regular pub would not be "fully seated"
    MOH wrote: »
    I strongly doubt a meal is going to make a huge difference to how drunk somebody is after 1:45. .
    excellent, walked yourself into it big time, yet again!!! so maybe you can be the sole person to answer what I have been asking repeatedly -the one you weaseled out of answering the last time yet again!

    why do you think this law exists?
    Children aged 15 and over, who are accompanied by their parent or guardian, can stay on the premises after 9:00 (10:00 pm from May to September) if they are attending a private function where a substantial meal is being served


  • Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The amount of arseholes posting on this thread is unreal. It's just a few pints lads. Get over yourselves. Not being able to go to a pub when you want is not the worst thing that will ever happen to you in your lives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭TheRealPONeil


    Just knuckle down, let the boys get their few bob in December and back to level V in January 2021 --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0AoRkmj9YM


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    The amount of arseholes posting on this thread is unreal. It's just a few pints lads. Get over yourselves. Not being able to go to a pub when you want is not the worst thing that will ever happen to you in your lives.

    How many times must it be hammered into posters like you ?

    It’s not just a few pints.
    It’s not just a pub.
    It is a meeting place for a local community.
    It can be the only contact some people have.
    It’s livelihoods of both landlord and staff.


  • Posts: 7,852 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The community card gets played a lot when it’s the furthest thing from the truth. Surely this whole episode has shown you that community is long dead in this country.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    The community card gets played a lot when it’s the furthest thing from the truth. Surely this whole episode has shown you that community is long dead in this country.

    Absolutely not. And it’s not a “card to play” - it’s the life of the people in most of the country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    The community card gets played a lot when it’s the furthest thing from the truth. Surely this whole episode has shown you that community is long dead in this country.

    Community is dead in Dublin, Limerick, cork etc I'd generally agree with that. But in rural Ireland people are trying their hardest to keep that sense of community spirit. And whether you like it or not the local pub (s) are a big part of that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭Chalk McHugh


    Community is dead in Dublin, Limerick, cork etc I'd generally agree with that. But in rural Ireland people are trying their hardest to keep that sense of community spirit. And whether you like it or not the local pub (s) are a big part of that.

    Community dead in Dublin? Not where i live or not where i socialise in the city. Couldn't be further wrong and once next Friday come's along there's going be some craic around the town. I'm disappointed though that the wet pubs are not opening and can understand the annoyance of the people who rely on these pubs to socialise all over the country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,532 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    The amount of arseholes posting on this thread is unreal. It's just a few pints lads. Get over yourselves. Not being able to go to a pub when you want is not the worst thing that will ever happen to you in your lives.

    Posted at 3am, how hypocritical. :pac:

    Listening to the radio there are some really nasty pieces of work out there, suggesting people boycott businesses reopening. Just goes to show yet again that there's nothing like a global crisis for people to show you who they really are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,194 ✭✭✭stargazer 68


    Posted at 3am, how hypocritical. :pac:

    Listening to the radio there are some really nasty pieces of work out there, suggesting people boycott businesses reopening. Just goes to show yet again that there's nothing like a global crisis for people to show you who they really are.

    You think they are bad around here, head over to the household rules thread! Losing their minds in there!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭SB71


    The amount of arseholes posting on this thread is unreal. It's just a few pints lads. Get over yourselves. Not being able to go to a pub when you want is not the worst thing that will ever happen to you in your lives.

    It's not just a "few pints" to many, it's the difference between sitting in on your own 24/7 for many people most notably elderly people who might not have any family and the local pub is their only sanctuary, not just elderly people either, may people see the pubs as a lifeline, mental health,isiolation are all many factors,etc,etc so no it's most certainly not just a "few pints"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭SB71


    Can people please not keep referring to pubs as "wet pubs" whoever came up with that word along with the equally as cringe "staycation" deserves to be ridiculed, awful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭Chalk McHugh


    SB71 wrote: »
    Can people please not keep referring to pubs as "wet pubs" whoever came up with that word along with the equally as cringe "staycation" deserves to be ridiculed, awful.

    I never heard of them before this covid to be honest but don't see a problem in using the word to distnguish between them and the food pubs that can reopen. When the covid is gone the words wet pub will never be used again i imagine :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭Poorside


    The amount of arseholes posting on this thread is unreal.


    Fair play for adding to the total.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭SB71


    I never heard of them before this covid to be honest but don't see a problem in using the word to distnguish between them and the food pubs that can reopen. When the covid is gone the word wet pub will never be used again i imagine :)

    jaysus no it's cringe mate it's a pub and that's it :pac::)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    House parties aren't allowed either.

    The authorities need to be able to enter people’s houses whenever they like so that they can maintain order and check for compliance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,446 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    SB71 wrote: »
    It's not just a "few pints" to many, it's the difference between sitting in on your own 24/7 for many people most notably elderly people who might not have any family and the local pub is their only sanctuary, not just elderly people either, may people see the pubs as a lifeline, mental health,isiolation are all many factors,etc,etc so no it's most certainly not just a "few pints"

    I keep hearing this argument about pubs being the only lifeline for those who need to get out and socialise.

    That's absolute bullsh*t! Just because it's your preferred method of socialising, doesn't mean it's, in any universe, the only way people can socialise.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I keep hearing this argument about pubs being the only lifeline for those who need to get out and socialise.

    That's absolute bullsh*t! Just because it's your preferred method of socialising, doesn't mean it's, in any universe, the only way people can socialise.

    Yes we get it, you hate pubs. You have a Walton like extended family that play parlour games weekly and you have every social contact you could ever need.

    The world is not you though and there are many many more people out there especially in more rural areas for whom a pub is a lifeline.

    I am so sick of seeing these NPHET anti pub fanboys on here, they couldn’t give two ****es for the mental health of the country and aren’t even subtle about their contempt for people who they see as beneath them.


  • Posts: 7,852 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    When in doubt break the mental health out. Greatest excuse in the world now.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    When in doubt break the mental health out. Greatest excuse in the world now.

    Says someone who has clearly never been alone for months at a time and needing simple human contact.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,622 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Gervais08 wrote: »
    Says someone who has clearly never been alone for months at a time and needing simple human contact.

    Is there anyone in the country who's been alone for months on end??

    I went for a wander down the beach a few weeks back. There was about a six cars with elderly people in them, windows down, chatting to the person in the car next to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    When in doubt break the mental health out. Greatest excuse in the world now.

    So people who have been lonely throughout and are now suffering mental health issues are breaking out an excuse ??

    I know people who are a shell of what they were this time last year, now this is nothing to do with pubs but due to covid and the restrictions. They've reached out to some friends and GPs, GPs have referred them on but thr back log in mental health services in Ireland is unbelievable, could be 2 years before they see someone.

    Absolutely nothing to do with pubs or alcohol but to say greatest excuse in the world is disingenuous and cynical. Disgusting comment to people who've mental health issues and those of us who are concerned about people we know who've these issues.


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  • Posts: 7,852 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So people who have been lonely throughout and are now suffering mental health issues are breaking out an excuse ??

    I know people who are a shell of what they were this time last year, now this is nothing to do with pubs but due to covid and the restrictions. They've reached out to some friends and GPs, GPs have referred them on but thr back log in mental health services in Ireland is unbelievable, could be 2 years before they see someone.

    Absolutely nothing to do with pubs or alcohol but to say greatest excuse in the world is disingenuous and cynical. Disgusting comment to people who've mental health issues and those of us who are concerned about people we know who've these issues.

    The disgusting thing is people using it for every single little thing and belittling the few who have real issues.

    If someone wants to go for a pint then just say it. Don’t dress it up as something it’s not because it’s a handy fashionable statement now.


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