Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

never_mind

MrStuffins wrote: »

Anyone make any bookings yet?

I've two chalked in already. Buzzing!

I have been harassing my local with messages to open their reservations. I look forward to eating a side salad and some partially cooked goujons to enjoy some drinks. Yessssss

Was also expecting a Dublin exclusion. Happy days

PTH2009

The usual Xmas eve, Stephen day and new year's pints will be different this year and you have to wonder will places bother opening them days . On the other hand they won't a problem filling the tables those days

Hard to know

never_mind

PTH2009 wrote: »

The usual Xmas eve, Stephen day and new year's pints will be different this year and you have to wonder will places bother opening them days . On the other hand they won't a problem filling the tables those days

Hard to know

Ah, id imagine they’d be open! Ever the optimist

morphy87

Follow this thread a while now first time posting,I saw the Taoiseach said last night in his address that we are in this together, well try telling that to all the publicans that are once again throwed under the bus, talking to some of them the last few weeks and they are in an awful state, the reality is that very few rural pubs are in the position to serve food, without a pub out in rural Ireland there is no meeting place for people, but the day will come when Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael are at the doors looking for votes and from talking to people out the country this issue will not be frogoten about

Zebra3

morphy87 wrote: »

Follow this thread a while now first time posting,I saw the Taoiseach said last night in his address that we are in this together, well try telling that to all the publicans that are once again throwed under the bus, talking to some of them the last few weeks and they are in an awful state, the reality is that very few rural pubs are in the position to serve food, without a pub out in rural Ireland there is no meeting place for people, but the day will come when Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael are at the doors looking for votes and from talking to people out the country this issue will not be frogoten about

A tough man from the School of Hard Knocks.

All in this together he said even though he's still in his well paid job with all his expenses and pension entitlements still in place.

Sorry, just from school.

MrStuffins

Zebra3 wrote: »

All in this together he said even though he's still in his well paid job with all his expenses and pension entitlements still in place.

Come on man, this is pretty pathetic!

opinionated3

morphy87 wrote: »

Follow this thread a while now first time posting,I saw the Taoiseach said last night in his address that we are in this together, well try telling that to all the publicans that are once again throwed under the bus, talking to some of them the last few weeks and they are in an awful state, the reality is that very few rural pubs are in the position to serve food, without a pub out in rural Ireland there is no meeting place for people, but the day will come when Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael are at the doors looking for votes and from talking to people out the country this issue will not be frogoten about

The people of this country were never "in this together". That's the biggest lie of the whole pandemic. The wealthy and to a large extent, employees of the public sector have pretty much gotten off scot free from the financial hardships. I'm shocked the the LVA and VFI haven't told the government "fine...... We'll stay shut for 2020 but come the 1st January we are opening no matter what holohan says". Actually, all businesses should take that line. And the public should do their best to stick to the essential guidelines of hand washing and mask wearing. Concentrate all efforts now on the distribution of the vaccines when they arrive in the coming weeks. The damage has been done. It is significant and we will pay for it through our taxes forever more. Not to mention all the other medical appointments that are now being put on the back burner.

Gervais08

MrStuffins wrote: »

Come on man, this is pretty pathetic!

It’s a pertinent point. My local town is destroyed. I don’t see the heart coming back; people have lost jobs and hope. The mental health of the area is taking a nosedive.

We’re caught between a single interest anti alcohol lobby in Holohan’s mob and a Taoiseach who is too spineless to stand up to them and will never be affected.

And all you can do is jibe at people ? That’s what’s pathetic.

seamusk84

I just don’t get it at this point. I mean will the small local pubs ever be allowed reopen?
I miss the old sporadic pint I’d grab on a Saturday afternoon when out walking. Are those days just done now? Like there is just no end in sight and sure by the time this whole crisis blows over the industry will be dead anyway.
Sad times for the traditional Irish pub. RIP I guess?

AssetBacked2

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Quite apart from the general threat, if people are going to spend the whole week in pubs and then go to Xmas dinner with the family they risk giving Covid to their own family. But the pub is the more important.

And of course those that abuse the provisions established now will have the loudest whine when the whole thing is closed again in January.

Yeah, sure. I look forward to the data showing that pubs caused a big spike in hospitalisations (not cases obviously as they are totally meaningless).

morphy87

MrStuffins wrote: »

Come on man, this is pretty pathetic!

Your right it is pathetic, what is pathetic about it is, it’s the truth unfortunately, there not worrying about making ends meet

morphy87

Gervais08 wrote: »

It’s a pertinent point. My local town is destroyed. I don’t see the heart coming back; people have lost jobs and hope. The mental health of the area is taking a nosedive.

We’re caught between a single interest anti alcohol lobby in Holohan’s mob and a Taoiseach who is too spineless to stand up to them and will never be affected.

And all you can do is jibe at people ? That’s what’s pathetic.

It’s not just your town,it’s all over Ireland,a person should be entitled to go for a drink as much as a meal

gifted

morphy87 wrote: »

Follow this thread a while now first time posting,I saw the Taoiseach said last night in his address that we are in this together, well try telling that to all the publicans that are once again throwed under the bus, talking to some of them the last few weeks and they are in an awful state, the reality is that very few rural pubs are in the position to serve food, without a pub out in rural Ireland there is no meeting place for people, but the day will come when Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael are at the doors looking for votes and from talking to people out the country this issue will not be frogoten about

Stop talking nonsense man.....of course this issue will be forgotten by the time the next election comes around....this is Ireland....us irish people are only interested in ourselves, we'll vote anyone in ............bit ironic that the Taoiseach that is after throwing all the publicans under the bus and you say will not be forgotten was a member of the government that caused the recession 12 years ago but that was quickly forgotten wasn't it?....

morphy87

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

Yeah, sure. I look forward to the data showing that pubs caused a big spike in hospitalisations (not cases obviously as they are totally meaningless).

Unfortunately I don’t think you will ever get that data, as this government probably won’t open the pubs till they have a vacacine, I hope the vintners association doesn’t forget this the next election, if I was a publican and they came in canvassing,I run them out of the premises

Irish Steve

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

Yeah, sure. I look forward to the data showing that pubs caused a big spike in hospitalisations (not cases obviously as they are totally meaningless).

Cases are not meaningless, as a rise in cases leads to a rise in hospitalisations, which they've documented very clearly since the outset. The hospitalisations might not be first hand, but that's the problem with a virulent virus, it doesn't care how it's passed from person to person, it just takes whatever hosts it's offered.

The evidence is out there if you look. Local (wet) pub that was "massaging" the rules in order to be open then hosted a big GAA celebration, and had to close a few days later after the landlord (and his family) and the staff all caught Covid, and a significant number of clusters locally were traced back to that pub, as well as other clusters further away from the town.

The LEA figures of cases per 100,000 went through the roof, and have only just this week come back down to something close to the national average, at one stage the county was in the top 3 of national cases.

Yes, I know the name of the pub, but I won't be naming it, regardless of how many people start braying for "proof".

When I look at too many of the attitudes being posted in this thread, and in other threads, I can see exactly why the decision was made to significantly restrict the number of places open, given the stark choices that NPHET put before the government, it's clear that there is a very real risk of another significant lock down not too long after Christmas, and there is a very good probability that inappropriate behaviour in pubs will be a contributory factor in that decision.

There is a (different) pub not too far away that myself and a few friends go to for drinks of an evening, and we can't do that this year, which is a pity, but from observations when we go, there are too many people that do lose the run of themselves as the evening goes on, it wasn't usually a problem pre Covid, but now, that same behaviour would be a huge risk factor, not just because of the loss of social separation, but because of all the other behavioural risks that go hand in hand with significant pints taken, and the nail in the coffin of such places would be the scrum on the bus that they laid on to get people home after a heavy session. That just can't happen now, unless they do 3 or 4 runs with the bus, which would be a time and cost issue to do.

Richard Hillman

morphy87 wrote: »

Unfortunately I don’t think you will ever get that data, as this government probably won’t open the pubs till they have a vacacine, I hope the vintners association doesn’t forget this the next election, if I was a publican and they came in canvassing,I run them out of the premises

Rural politicians use pubs a lot to canvass votes, be a man of the people etc. Any FF, FG or Greens should be barred for life from the pubs, and their families. They'll soon soften their beak when they and their families have been discommunicated from the community. The time to be vengeful is upon us.

ShyMets

The White Wolf wrote: »

Aaaaaand he's gone.....sums up things anyway on the anti pub side.

Personally I'm going to miss his Walter Mitty ramblings

saabsaab

Irish Steve wrote: »

Cases are not meaningless, as a rise in cases leads to a rise in hospitalisations, which they've documented very clearly since the outset. The hospitalisations might not be first hand, but that's the problem with a virulent virus, it doesn't care how it's passed from person to person, it just takes whatever hosts it's offered.

The evidence is out there if you look. Local (wet) pub that was "massaging" the rules in order to be open then hosted a big GAA celebration, and had to close a few days later after the landlord (and his family) and the staff all caught Covid, and a significant number of clusters locally were traced back to that pub, as well as other clusters further away from the town.

The LEA figures of cases per 100,000 went through the roof, and have only just this week come back down to something close to the national average, at one stage the county was in the top 3 of national cases.

Yes, I know the name of the pub, but I won't be naming it, regardless of how many people start braying for "proof".

When I look at too many of the attitudes being posted in this thread, and in other threads, I can see exactly why the decision was made to significantly restrict the number of places open, given the stark choices that NPHET put before the government, it's clear that there is a very real risk of another significant lock down not too long after Christmas, and there is a very good probability that inappropriate behaviour in pubs will be a contributory factor in that decision.

There is a (different) pub not too far away that myself and a few friends go to for drinks of an evening, and we can't do that this year, which is a pity, but from observations when we go, there are too many people that do lose the run of themselves as the evening goes on, it wasn't usually a problem pre Covid, but now, that same behaviour would be a huge risk factor, not just because of the loss of social separation, but because of all the other behavioural risks that go hand in hand with significant pints taken, and the nail in the coffin of such places would be the scrum on the bus that they laid on to get people home after a heavy session. That just can't happen now, unless they do 3 or 4 runs with the bus, which would be a time and cost issue to do.

You are right but many won't listen. As for pubs not opening again that was happenning anyway and many will go to the wall just a bit sooner that would have been the case. Some will be taken over by new business but that is the way of the market.

TomTomTim

saabsaab wrote: »

You are right but many won't listen. As for pubs not opening again that was happenning anyway and many will go to the wall just a bit sooner that would have been the case. Some will be taken over by new business but that is the way of the market.

What market? The market they've been banned from participating in because of governmental decisions, which they have no control over? Your framing implies that this is normal market function, when it isn't. They've been put on the shelf without any say, which is hardly how the market should function.

saabsaab

The 'Market' changes all the time Government decisions are part and parcel. Say when gaslight went out of business when electricity came in. Cinemas died when TV came etc etc. Free travel etc etc. Adapt or die it seems.

SB71

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

A bit of good news at last. Fair play to Michael Martin and the powers that be to tell Nphet to stick their penal anti alcohol and anti social laws where the sun don't shine. There was too much to lose for the government and the anger would have been palpable. It's not perfect (sad for the wet pubs) but I look forward to two or three days meeting friends around the city.

I cant stand Mehole or any of the government for me they are the single worst givernment in this hisitory of this country,it's been one disaster after another like ive never seen with any government before, even Bertie and Biffos government werent in the same league as these, Mehole knew full well if they went along with NPHET again especially at Xmas this would be the beginnong of the end for them, a populist move nothing else to try and appease to what little support they have left in the public.

It just beggars belief that yet again pubs not serving food have been victimised , any pubs which go under the government will be directly responsible.

SB71

ShyMets wrote: »

Personally I'm going to miss his Walter Mitty ramblings

is this Melbourne man your talking about?

Can you believe some moderator sent me a private message warning me because i referred to as being a Walter Mitty type, political correctness alive and well on here it would appear i told him to have a day off :rolleyes:

SB71

MelbourneMan wrote: »

While your turn of phrase is a little jarring, a turn of events, which for those willing to look beyond a shoot-the-messenger type response, avoid personal jibes (although I noted many were unable to comply with the maxim I have seen mention here of 'attack the post, not the poster') and instead see what was well flagged for many weeks :

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.phpp=114969597&postcount=2677
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=114967679&postcount=2631
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115127618&postcount=9124
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115201671&postcount=6101
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115274223&postcount=1747

The outcome here is that everyone, in a sense is correct. NPHET is of course correct to recommend from a public health position that pubs openings be avoided. And the government correct to, on consideration of a wider range of criteria, allow for the limited openings. On their side, committing the country to a third wave in February is a courageous decision, not easily taken, and must be respected. I would have tended to a stronger curtailment of openings, but do understand the merit in the formula presented.

And now that the short term view has been published, I think everyone must respect the liberties they have been given. It is still encouraged that people restrict their social contacts as far as possible.

While permitted, patronising gastropubs (or take away from pubs - an activity that strikes me as perverse really, and only alluring to those wanting to make a point) is still to be discouraged.

We are all responsible for our own actions, the influence they will have on transmission of the virus over the coming months, and depth of restriction that will be reimposed in January. I am deeply concerned.

Please all consider this, take care of each other, and Happy Christmas to all.

jesus wept :rolleyes::D:D

hynesie08

saabsaab wrote: »

The 'Market' changes all the time Government decisions are part and parcel. Say when gaslight went out of business when electricity came in. Cinemas died when TV came etc etc. Free travel etc etc. Adapt or die it seems.

The "market" hasn't changed, it's been shut down. Bit of a difference.

So what has replaced pubs? Have we suddenly a nation of late night coffee shops and jazz clubs?

What's replaced pubs is she beens, how does a pub adapt to being a shebeen......

John O.Groats

SB71 wrote: »

I cant stand Mehole or any of the government for me they are the single worst givernment in this hisitory of this country,it's been one disaster after another like ive never seen with any government before, even Bertie and Biffos government werent in the same league as these, Mehole knew full well if they went along with NPHET again especially at Xmas this would be the beginnong of the end for them, a populist move nothing else to try and appease to what little support they have left in the public.

It just beggars belief that yet again pubs not serving food have been victimised , any pubs which go under the government will be directly responsible.

Good man. Mary Lou will be proud of you for following the anti govenment ranting script.

SB71

John O.Groats wrote: »

Good man. Mary Lou will be proud of you for following the anti govenment ranting script.

well John im sure you can enlighten us with a list of their notable achievements that have made us all proud of this wonderful caring government since they took office in the summer.

saabsaab

hynesie08 wrote: »

The "market" hasn't changed, it's been shut down. Bit of a difference.

So what has replaced pubs? Have we suddenly a nation of late night coffee shops and jazz clubs?

What's replaced pubs is she beens, how does a pub adapt to being a shebeen......

I think it is obvious that it has changed even before Covid. How they adapt or don't is up to them. Might not be liked by many or even 'fair' but it is what it is.

fin12

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John O.Groats wrote: »

Good man. Mary Lou will be proud of you for following the anti govenment ranting script.

Sorry sinn Finn are no better, I hate mehole / varakar and the government but don’t support sinn Finn either, all I can remember sinn finn wanting to do is put the pup up to €500 a week, they only care about dole heads. Never getting a vote of me again.

SB71

fin12 wrote: »

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Sorry sinn Finn are no better, I hate mehole / varakar and the government but don’t support sinn Finn either, all I can remember sinn finn wanting to do is put the pup up to €500 a week, they only care about dole heads. Never getting a vote of me again.

i wouldnt be a huge fan either, but they deserve a chance, they surely cannot be in the same league as FFG when it comes to destroying the country.

fin12

SB71 wrote: »

i wouldnt be a huge fan either, but they deserve a chance, they surely cannot be in the same league as FFG when it comes to destroying the country.

I wouldn’t have much hope in them and I was a supporter of them for many a year. That ship has sailed now for me.