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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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    #1382
    copeyhagen
    Registered Users Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    i honestly cant believe people would be hoping for lockdowns.. MENTAL


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    #1383
    Rrrrrr2
    Registered Users Posts: 982 ✭✭✭Rrrrrr2


    brokekeyboard wrote: »
    Person to the person the transfer risk is the same.

    The difference is the number of people, the number of households comixing and the hape of pints consumed.

    What about that is not obvious to you?

    If a person has Covid or not it doesn’t matter if it’s one or 100- so we’ve established you won’t be continuing with lockdown and you’ll be meeting other people in different households.
    What’s obvious to me is despite your protests you don’t believe in lockdown, you are abandoning its main tenets. A true non believer really


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    #1384
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod:

    Threads merged


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    #1385
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    brokekeyboard wrote: »
    What sort of stupid game is this? There was less restrictions at the time which only supports the fact that they do work to a degree.

    I would say that this is very obvious to someone is isn't trying to prove that the earth orbits the moon.

    Lockdowns kick the can down the road. They do nothing to stop the virus.


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    #1386
    Summer2020
    Registered Users Posts: 609 ✭✭✭Summer2020


    copeyhagen wrote: »
    i honestly cant believe people would be hoping for lockdowns.. MENTAL

    People have been brainwashed and terrified by the likes of George lee into thinking if they set foot outside their house they’ll catch COVID. Rte have been a disgrace in their coverage of this, while behind the scenes theyre having organized leaving parties for colleagues. Life has to continue, multiple vaccines are days from being approved for emergency use. Open up to f*ck at this stage.


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    #1387
    Rrrrrr2
    Registered Users Posts: 982 ✭✭✭Rrrrrr2


    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    Irish people want to have a proper Christmas, and meet up with all their family and friends.


    January & February lockdown will be the price of Christmas.

    Pretty stupid “price”- this has turned into a childish reward thingy with some people


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    #1388
    RobitTV
    Registered Users Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭RobitTV


    Cancer is so insignificant that it only kills 9,000 people per year in Ireland, It only accounts for approximately 30% of deaths every year.

    Meanwhile Covid is so serious that the whole of society has had to be shut down since March, for making up 1-2% of all national deaths. Average age is over 80. Many of those older people with underlying conditions.

    And let's not forget about heart disease, lung disease, obesity. So insignificant.


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    #1389
    Penfailed
    Registered Users Posts: 7,511 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    copeyhagen wrote: »
    i honestly cant believe people would be hoping for lockdowns.. MENTAL

    Is anyone? I don't know of a single person that does*

    *In before the smartarsed 'Tony' comment.

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    #1390
    Fodla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 281 ✭✭Fodla


    Summer2020 wrote: »
    People have been brainwashed and terrified by the likes of George lee into thinking if they set foot outside their house they’ll catch COVID. Rte have been a disgrace in their coverage of this, while behind the scenes theyre having organized leaving parties for colleagues. Life has to continue, multiple vaccines are days from being approved for emergency use. Open up to f*ck at this stage.

    I agree that RTÉ is a disgusting organisation, but don't people have to take responsibility for their behaviour as well? We're dealing with adults here. How can they be so weak as to seriously buy that this thing is a threat in any significant way? How can they allow themselves to be reduced to snitching on their neighbours? In the UK the snitching is so bad that the police have had to hire extra staff to deal with the volume of calls.


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    #1391
    RobitTV
    Registered Users Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭RobitTV


    brokekeyboard wrote: »
    Covid unchecked would have killed more. That is a certainty.

    The governments handling of the care homes were the reason many of these deaths took place. 40 people died in one single care home in Kildare!

    Holohan and the government will have much to answer for when this is all over. The care home disaster has resulted in a substantial amount of deaths. Which many could of been avoided.

    Another social care disaster.


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    #1392
    Penfailed
    Registered Users Posts: 7,511 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Rrrrrr2 wrote: »
    If a person has Covid or not it doesn’t matter if it’s one or 100- so we’ve established you won’t be continuing with lockdown and you’ll be meeting other people in different households.
    What’s obvious to me is despite your protests you don’t believe in lockdown, you are abandoning its main tenets. A true non believer really

    Is this going to be like the time where everyone piled on someone for supposedly not following restrictions even though he was? It is, isn't it. Lockdown eases before Christmas. Haven't you heard?

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Ride, PJ Harvey, Pixies, Public Service Broadcasting, Therapy?, IDLES(x2)



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    #1393
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    brokekeyboard wrote: »
    Covid unchecked would have killed more. That is a certainty.

    It would have yes.. but how many more? There is no evidence to suggest it’s a large number.

    I personally think the number of otherwise avoidable deaths (suicide, missed cancer etc) is going to be higher than the number of additional covid related deaths we would have seen had no action been taken!


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    #1394
    Penfailed
    Registered Users Posts: 7,511 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    brokekeyboard wrote: »
    Covid unchecked would have killed more. That is a certainty.

    Well...it's not a certainty. No one will know for sure.

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    #1395
    Rrrrrr2
    Registered Users Posts: 982 ✭✭✭Rrrrrr2


    copeyhagen wrote: »
    i honestly cant believe people would be hoping for lockdowns.. MENTAL

    Well you can read all about it here- and they’ll go to the ends of a straw to defend them


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    #1396
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,982 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Tbh the care home thing is a no win situation.

    You end up in a nursing/care home because you're old and frail and on top of that have medical needs that mean you can no longer look after yourself. Average 'stay' in such a home is less than 2 years and thats not because you're walking out of there.

    It is miserable enough as it is. If you're now locking them away what sort of existence would that be? Solitary confinement for the rest of your life just so that when you die its not because of covid?

    There really is no winning there. Its just plain sad.

    Agreed but if covid get into some care homes as a result of the visits then there'll be a surge in 'deaths with covid' reported by NPHET.
    That'll be used as a stick to beat the general public with and lead to stricter restrictions again.


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    #1397
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    brokekeyboard wrote: »
    Ok and explain to me the problem with staving off the virus?

    This tiny little thing called the economy. You may have heard of it, it pays for everything from roads to hospitals


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    #1398
    RobitTV
    Registered Users Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭RobitTV


    brokekeyboard wrote: »
    Why are you so keen to pin blood on their hands? Sounds like a tabloid editorial designed to rabble rouse.

    Imperfect people doing their best in an imperfect situation. A hard and thankless job and without their foresight we would be closer to 800/M deaths.

    So we leave them off the hook after they failed to protect people living in care homes? which resulted in them dying from covid.

    The investigation is going to be very significant. Someone will be held accountable for people dying. These lives could of been saved and people must remember that.

    The general public aren't the ones in charge of the care homes, so they can't be blamed this time around. They will be desperate to pin this on the public to cover their own asses.


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    #1399
    Penfailed
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    Rrrrrr2 wrote: »
    Well you can read all about it here- and they’ll go to the ends of a straw to defend them

    Who? Who here on this thread is hoping for lockdown? Seriously...who?

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Ride, PJ Harvey, Pixies, Public Service Broadcasting, Therapy?, IDLES(x2)



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    #1400
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    brokekeyboard wrote: »
    Why are you so keen to pin blood on their hands? Sounds like a tabloid editorial designed to rabble rouse.

    Imperfect people doing their best in an imperfect situation. A hard and thankless job and without their foresight we would be closer to 800/M deaths.

    Doing their best hahaha. Who’d have thought of protecting the most vulnerable from a disease that infects and kills the most vulnerable in society, as seen from when it ripped through China and then Europe. We were one of the last countries to get it.


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    #1401
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod:

    Dr.Frost's

    threadban lifted after discussion with user


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    #1402
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,982 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    brokekeyboard wrote: »
    What do you think is the motivation to beat the public with a stick?

    I'm a very logical and mathematical person and I am so incapable of understanding the logic behind any of this anymore that I'm probably siding with the conspiracy theorists.

    Either that or everyone making decisions is just plain crazy.


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    #1403
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Agreed but if covid get into some care homes as a result of the visits then there'll be a surge in 'deaths with covid' reported by NPHET.
    That'll be used as a stick to beat the general public with and lead to stricter restrictions again.

    I get that. I just cant get myself to advocate denying them their family visits, What else have they?


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    #1404
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    brokekeyboard wrote: »
    Yeah and what about it?

    Without checking I imagine the worst affected places have the most weakened economies.

    If anything we are protecting ours, it is simply not possible to come out of this situation unscathed somehow. It is a game of harm reduction that the despite the anti government bias displayed by most here they are trying their best to do.

    I think despite their mistakes they have done a better job than most EU countries. We have the benefit of a strong economy to weaken. Others don't have that luxury.

    Weaken? It’s in the toilet. We’re drowning in debt. Protecting our economy? Are you nuts?


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    #1405
    risteard7
    Registered Users Posts: 879 ✭✭✭risteard7


    I'm not sure if anyone was listening to Newstalk this morning but Shane Coleman asked McConkey if he had one wish for Christmas what would it be?

    His reply"id wish for Jacinda Ardern to be our Taoiseach"

    Even Shane Coleman who is ultra conservative said "My God"


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    #1406
    copeyhagen
    Registered Users Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    Penfailed wrote: »
    Who? Who here on this thread is hoping for lockdown? Seriously...who?

    you joking, half the people posting. that melbourne dude, swordoflight(mad), keyboard troll.


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    #1407
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,982 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    I get that. I just cant get myself to advocate denying them their family visits, What else have they?

    I don't think they should be denied visits. But things like antigen tests could be used to mitigate risks and allow more safe visits, as could weekly testing of staff.
    These are measures that NPHET don't recommend we use to help keep the residents safe.

    Meanwhile perfectly healthy and low risk people are denied what are considered normal civil liberties.
    The whole response is illogical.


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    #1408
    Penfailed
    Registered Users Posts: 7,511 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    The north goes into a two week 'circuit breaker' lockdown from midnight tonight. Arlene Foster was on the news earlier. I laughed. She actually said the words, "The next two weeks are crucial".

    :pac:

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    #1409
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,982 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    risteard7 wrote: »
    I'm not sure if anyone was listening to Newstalk this morning but Shane Coleman asked McConkey if he had one wish for Christmas what would it be?

    His reply"id wish for Jacinda Ardern to be our Taoiseach"

    Even Shane Coleman who is ultra conservative said "My God"

    She'd be called Jacinta Aherne here.


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    #1410
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,308 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Penfailed wrote: »
    The north goes into a two week 'circuit breaker' lockdown from midnight tonight. Arlene Foster was on the news earlier. I laughed. She actually said the words, "The next two weeks are crucial".

    :pac:

    What’s her concern level?


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    #1411
    Summer2020
    Registered Users Posts: 609 ✭✭✭Summer2020


    normanoffside wrote: »
    She'd be called Jacinta Aherne here.

    I’m not sure why this mc Conkey clown is being given so much airtime. He’s obviously known in the media as someone who loves the sound of his own voice and is very easy to get on the phone. To me this says it all about him. Wasnt be the one predicting 50-60,000 deaths ?


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