Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Zebra3 · 26-11-2020 8:59pm

brokekeyboard wrote: »

A question the moderators please

Why has this particular thread been allowed to denigrate into a conspiracy theory rathole. All objectivity is lost when you allowed one side to just shout down all conversation with unsubstantiated hyperbole like

"Dr Death"
"Cowardly Politicians"
"Just a Flu"

And so forth. All balance has been lost and the onus is on you to restore it.

Repectfully

You should’ve seen the calls for the army to be deployed, citizens to be locked up, and Tiananmen Square style massacres.

RobitTV · 26-11-2020 8:59pm

brokekeyboard wrote: »

I will be having a normal Christmas, just because I think this is a conspiracy theory rathole and that you are full of it doesn't mean I fit whatever caricature is in your head about me.

But...but...
brokekeyboard..

If you have a normal Christmas, you will bring harm to members of your family, can you not practice what you preach and believe in?

Come on man, don't be bringing harm upon others. There is no need for this dangerous level of double standards so close to the season of goodwill to all men and women.

Rrrrrr2 · 26-11-2020 9:00pm

RobitTV wrote: »

But...but...
brokekeyboard..

If you have a normal Christmas, you will bring harm to members of your family, can you not practice what you preach and believe in?

Come on man, don't be bringing harm upon others. There is no need for this dangerous level of double standards so close to the season of goodwill to all men and women.

May be they think the deadly virus is taking a break in a months time? It would appear so

peter kern · 26-11-2020 9:01pm

Stormyteacup wrote: »

I’d be very interested to see any evidence from any country that imposed the exact same restrictions on pubs as on restaurants that showed more transmission in those pubs.

its a bit hard to do since pubs are something more irish and uk specific
the one think i found from scotland seems agree with the irish point

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2020/344/pdfs/ssifia_20200344_en.pdf#page=15

in most other places they they are more caffes and bars
but here you see that according to a study in usa

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6936a5.htm
so with people that had not been in close contacts of covid cases the bar coffe place seems to be high on risk list and i think there is an consesus that drunk people flounder the social distacnes rules more than sober people so maybe not to strong evidence but also going in the direction of the scotish and irish stance for certain test groups . ( if i read that correctly and iam happy to be corrected if iam wrong)

in germany studies show that restaurants had very little cases so they are deemed save an article in german so i dont link it.

so i guess you can say there is a tendecy that restaurants are safer but further studies are needed.

where i totally agree with you is that at this stage your would think goverments should have more of those studies to justyfy their decisons

Necro · 26-11-2020 9:02pm

brokekeyboard wrote: »

I will be having a normal Christmas, just because I think this is a conspiracy theory rathole and that you are full of it doesn't mean I fit whatever caricature is in your head about me.

Mod:

I think you missed my mod note where I asked people to keep it civil. Respond in this manner to another poster and you will have your posting access to this thread removed

normanoffside · 26-11-2020 9:03pm

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

2,000 cancer diagnoses may not have been made due to impact of Covid-19 on services

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-cancer-diagnoses-5279719-Nov2020/

I am confident that it is a real concern.

This does not even merit a tinkle on Tony's worry'o'meter.

RobitTV · 26-11-2020 9:04pm

brokekeyboard wrote: »

No I wouldn't...appropriate and sensible measures will be taken. There is some risk involved, we all accept it.

Excellent! well in that case let's get the pubs back open and let people get back to living.

It looks like we are on the same page after all.

BeefeaterHat · 26-11-2020 9:05pm

brokekeyboard wrote: »

I am confident that isn't the concern you have made it in your head.

2000 missed cases ah sure it's nothing to worry about. At least Tony has experience with sweeping cancer cases under the carpet thats probably the one thing he excels at.

Penfailed · 26-11-2020 9:05pm

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

2,000 cancer diagnoses *may* not have been made due to impact of Covid-19 on services

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-cancer-diagnoses-5279719-Nov2020/

I am confident that it is a real concern.

But you arent here to post anything of use are you?

Key word italicized. You're very quick to highlight when other people quote articles that contain the words 'might', 'possibly', 'may', etc. It appears to be okay for yourself though. In saying that, I'm not trying to downplay the seriousness of the situation.

Necro · 26-11-2020 9:08pm

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

2000 missed cases ah sure it's nothing to worry about. At least Tony has experience with sweeping cancer cases under the carpet thats probably the one thing he excels at.

Mod:

I suggest you stay on topic, if you want to discuss the cervical cancer issues start a thread on it

RobitTV · 26-11-2020 9:09pm

brokekeyboard wrote: »

There are very clear reasons why that is counter productive.

So basically, many millions of people visiting family over Christmas is perfectly fine, just because you are having a 'normal' Christmas? so you will let that off the hook and shove that argument under the carpet. But people meeting in a socially distanced pub with shorter operating hours is totally unsafe?

normanoffside · 26-11-2020 9:11pm

NPHET are actually proposing reducing restrictions on care home visits.

Their strategy seems to be to lock up the heathy and endanger the vulnerable.

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1332025247579721731

Rrrrrr2 · 26-11-2020 9:12pm

RobitTV wrote: »

So basically, many millions of people visiting family over Christmas is perfectly fine, just because you are having a 'normal' Christmas? so you will let that off the hook and shove that argument under the carpet. But people meeting in a socially distanced pub with shorter operating hours is totally unsafe?

Yes it’s kind of ala carte lockdown-ism isn’t it

normanoffside · 26-11-2020 9:13pm

brokekeyboard wrote: »

How do you know?

Because he has clearly shown he only cares about covid and that's NPHET's only remit. He really doesn't care about anything else.

RobitTV · 26-11-2020 9:13pm

brokekeyboard wrote: »

Yes, the maths of it all totally different.

Same reason why schools are a problem.

Multiple social circles mixing vs closed circle

But you very well know that many people will be mixing with other individuals before they meet their families on Christmas day.

I don't see what difference it would possibly make by having the pubs open.

People are socialising way more than in March. Meeting for walks, teenagers meeting, kids at school.

This lockdown has hardly been a lockdown.

Penfailed · 26-11-2020 9:15pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Cases fell during the summer too. If lockdown worked why did they start rising again??

Schools.

Rrrrrr2 · 26-11-2020 9:16pm

brokekeyboard wrote: »

It only seems that way if you can't make a rational distinction between private homes and open houses and a load of drink taken.

Why do people in private houses not transmit the deadly virus or something?

Penfailed · 26-11-2020 9:19pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Lockdowns don’t work, as per WHO.

That's not what they said though. More misinformation. This thread is full of it.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/whos-david-nabarro-misquoted-use-lockdowns-1093889

Spanish Eyes · 26-11-2020 9:19pm

Personally I don’t watch news or press conferences.

Bread and circuses. They are all in this together. Nothing worse than not being talked about. Pretend tension between Gov and Nphet.

I observe the safety things as advised from the beginning. I will do my own risk assessment when things open up. Will enjoy Christmas in our own way, won’t be going mad in big groups. It’s up to you and me.

RobitTV · 26-11-2020 9:19pm

brokekeyboard wrote: »

I agree but that doesn't help your argument.

I think the argument has been made, people are becoming more mobile and any further lockdowns will not be effective. People aren't willing to put with it for a minute longer.

Let pubs reopen as they were during the Summer.

Enforce the restrictions inside pubs and make sure social distancing is maintained. Shorten the opening times.

Publicans are normal people too. This is a livelihood.

SwordofLight · 26-11-2020 9:20pm

If the lockdown has effectively in one month stopped covid spiralling into thousands and reduced it down to a few hundred per day, why don't they extend it by another few weeks? Wouldn't this give us a chance to bring the virus right down?

The history of lockdown has been getting the numbers down then just as the numbers have nearly disappeared they've lifted lockdown and the virus has grown again.

How can we know we aren't just repeating the same process over and over? Lockdown seems to work. Lifting it spikes cases.

Is it for the economy, people's sanity, etc? Or is it fear of revolt as has happened in UK through mass non-compliance...

CalamariFritti · 26-11-2020 9:21pm

Cool. Lets stay in lockdown forever. No one will ever die again.

AndyBoBandy · 26-11-2020 9:21pm

Irish people want to have a proper Christmas, and meet up with all their family and friends.

January & February lockdown will be the price of Christmas.

lee_baby_simms · 26-11-2020 9:21pm

I wonder what odds paddy power would have given me 12 months ago if I placed a bet that by the end of 2020 an unelected GP would be the most powerful individual in the history of the state?

We’ve seen how he single handedly steers NPHET and the government are too weak willed to oppose him in any meaningful way.

Has there ever been individual in the history of this country with the ability to, in a matter of days, put hundreds of thousands out of work and decimate SMEs indefinitely?

It’s quite amazing how we’ve seemingly sleepwalked into this insane reality.

We’re told it’s in the interest of public health yet thousands of potential cancer diagnoses are now missed. Some statistics and lives are more important than others perhaps.

Tony Holohans meteoric rise is truly amazing. For a GP with a masters in public health to defy the advice of most virologists and immunologists, to defy even the advice of the WHO with regard to lockdowns.

It’s a very strange, dark corner we’ve painted ourselves into.

Pasteur. · 26-11-2020 9:23pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Irish people want to have a proper Christmas, and meet up with all their family and friends.

January & February lockdown will be the price of Christmas.

Politicians are idiots too

They'll go along with it

funnydoggy · 26-11-2020 9:24pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

January & February lockdown will be the price of Christmas.

Be real here. We're going back to lockdown in January regardless.

Let's end this year on some bit of positivity.

Penfailed · 26-11-2020 9:27pm

RobitTV wrote: »

This lockdown has hardly been a lockdown.

You wouldn't think it from reading this thread...

Allinall · 26-11-2020 9:27pm

Pasteur. wrote: »

Politicians are idiots too

They'll go along with it

Who are the idiots that elect them?

CalamariFritti · 26-11-2020 9:28pm

normanoffside wrote: »

NPHET are actually proposing reducing restrictions on care home visits.

Their strategy seems to be to lock up the heathy and endanger the vulnerable.

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1332025247579721731

Tbh the care home thing is a no win situation.

You end up in a nursing/care home because you're old and frail and on top of that have medical needs that mean you can no longer look after yourself. Average 'stay' in such a home is less than 2 years and thats not because you're walking out of there.

It is miserable enough as it is. If you're now locking them away what sort of existence would that be? Solitary confinement for the rest of your life just so that when you die its not because of covid?

There really is no winning there. Its just plain sad.

funnydoggy · 26-11-2020 9:28pm

Allinall wrote: »

Who are the idiots that elect them?

Not me.

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