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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #8732
    SwordofLight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭SwordofLight


    I've just had the boards.ie censor my right to free speech in asking a question about covid lockdown.

    Lockdown works.

    But it seems to me that the majority of people on here, which hopefully don't represent the nation, are anti-lockdown and have some pretty stupid concrete thoughts about so called covid 'facts' etc.. well I ask you then wtf nphet exists, maybe they should just disband eh?

    If people wore masks, together with 2 or 3 metre distancing, we wouldn't need lockdown. Look outside, nobody on the street wears masks.

    Wait until covid comes for you and your family. You might take it a bit more seriously then.


  • #8733
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Really? You cant see Benimars post? Maybe too many words

    *One day Ireland had 196 cases.
    *28 days later Ireland had 1000 cases.


    *Today we have over 300 cases
    *28 days later its quite possible we can get 1000 cases based on actual data that shows we managed to do it before.

    That help you understand? Or is this just going back to a case of ignoring whats right in front of you, And then saying thats theres no one providing any reasoning for supporting NPHET solely because you ignore it?

    Maybe we should just wait another 28 days.

    28.jpg

    Sorry, I made that joke before, just couldnt resist.


  • #8734
    mightyreds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,877 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    SwordofLight wrote: »
    I've just had the boards.ie censor my right to free speech in asking a question about covid lockdown.

    Lockdown works.

    But it seems to me that the majority of people on here, which hopefully don't represent the nation, are anti-lockdown and have some pretty stupid concrete thoughts about so called covid 'facts' etc.. well I ask you then wtf nphet exists, maybe they should just disband eh?

    If people wore masks, together with 2 or 3 metre distancing, we wouldn't need lockdown. Look outside, nobody on the street wears masks.

    Wait until covid comes for you and your family. You might take it a bit more seriously then.

    Be careful your edging towards a 9 on tony's worry meter


  • #8735
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Tbh whether they're massaging those numbers or not is immaterial as those numbers are rubbish to begin with.

    The only yardstick that isn't totally flawed are hospitalisations and deaths. And both of those would have to be strictly "from" and not "with".

    The only thing we're actually excelling at is collecting useless case numbers and fogging up the only real hard numbers we could have in order to send 'the right message'.

    Its so bad and its so persistently bad that I can hardly blame people for jumping on the CT bandwagon any more.

    Remember some people are hospitised for less than a day, or a day or two at most for observation. get potentially scanned/xray.. bloods..checked over....meds and home. We need an update on that also. Are they included in hospital day numbers? Anyone?


  • #8736
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,420 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    So NPHET want to keep level 5 for Christmas essentially?

    Whether or not you agree with it, I think it's safe to say there's not a ****ing chance of it happening


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  • #8737
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    I can't believe he's at it again. And with such gusto.

    Ah well.

    I'm finding it very hard to stomach this place at the mo. The same people. The same angry, circular arguments.

    I can, moods become very predictable at this stage.


  • #8738
    copeyhagen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    SwordofLight wrote: »
    I've just had the boards.ie censor my right to free speech in asking a question about covid lockdown.

    Lockdown works.

    But it seems to me that the majority of people on here, which hopefully don't represent the nation, are anti-lockdown and have some pretty stupid concrete thoughts about so called covid 'facts' etc.. well I ask you then wtf nphet exists, maybe they should just disband eh?

    If people wore masks, together with 2 or 3 metre distancing, we wouldn't need lockdown. Look outside, nobody on the street wears masks.

    Wait until covid comes for you and your family. You might take it a bit more seriously then.

    hahaha fook me

    bad covid, bad covid, what ya gonna do, what ya gonna do when it comes for you. and your family.


  • #8739
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,044 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    El Sueño wrote: »
    So NPHET want to keep level 5 for Christmas essentially?

    Whether or not you agree with it, I think it's safe to say there's not a ****ing chance of it happening
    There's no chance around the household visiting and inter-county travel. Everyone I know of, who have been very compliant to this point, are travelling for Christmas to see family. Now a good few are cancelling mixing large numbers of households but they're all moving about. NPHET won't get their way here, no matter what they say.

    .. And the government knows this will happen. They know they can't stop it (and the Gardai would have zero appetite at any rate). So I can see them just taking the advice on restaurants/gastropubs instead. I'd like for them to be open although I'd be probably a bit wary of attending one but I think the choice will be taken out of our hands. Maybe the compromise will to be limit it to tables of four or some such.


  • #8740
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    spookwoman wrote: »
    I can, moods become very predictable at this stage.

    Spook do we get stats on how long people stay in hospital ie 10% less than 1 day... 10% ... 1 week.... etc.
    thanks


  • #8741
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Really? You cant see Benimars post? Maybe too many words

    *One day Ireland had 196 cases.
    *28 days later Ireland had 1000 cases.


    *Today we have over 300 cases
    *28 days later its quite possible we can get 1000 cases based on actual data that shows we managed to do it before.

    That help you understand? Or is this just going back to a case of ignoring whats right in front of you, And then saying thats theres no one providing any reasoning for supporting NPHET solely because you ignore it?
    Why are you getting so offended? The fact you don't seem to understand reproduction rate shows you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
    One day Ireland had a reproduction rate of 1.5
    Last week Ireland had a reproduction rate of ~0.7
    Big difference, bud.
    Not replying anymore cos you seem to be having a moody day or something.


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  • #8742
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭crossman47


    ixoy wrote: »
    There's no chance around the household visiting and inter-county travel. Everyone I know of, who have been very compliant to this point, are travelling for Christmas to see family. Now a good few are cancelling mixing large numbers of households but they're all moving about. NPHET won't get their way here, no matter what they say.

    .. And the government knows this will happen. They know they can't stop it (and the Gardai would have zero appetite at any rate). So I can see them just taking the advice on restaurants/gastropubs instead. I'd like for them to be open although I'd be probably a bit wary of attending one but I think the choice will be taken out of our hands. Maybe the compromise will to be limit it to tables of four or some such.

    I think you're right but people shouldn't then blame the government when we get a major spike in January.


  • #8743
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    harr wrote: »
    School outbreaks now taking hold , 12 in killkenny , 6 in a school in Tipperary and up to 20 In cork ..
    What’s causing the sudden school clusters, complacency setting in ?

    Seems contact tracing did not contact the school about positive cases. The right to privacy has led to 450 kids missing two weeks of school and god knows how many vulnerable family members in for a tough time. Hard to not agree with the principal.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1126/1180714-cork-school-covid-19/
    The closure was advised by the HSE after 17 pupils and staff were identified with the virus.

    Since then, more cases have emerged among pupils and staff and also among wider family members.

    Those cases were identified by public health authorities, but the school says it was not alerted to them, and so for a crucial period remained entirely unaware of the extent of the presence of the virus within the school.

    However, the principal of Gaelscoil Uí Drisceoil has said she believes that public health should be contacting school principals as a matter of course in order to verify any information they may receive.


    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1332044665881825280?s=20


  • #8744
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Seriously, there is no condescension in that post.

    In your opinion.


  • #8745
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,144 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Why are you getting so offended? The fact you don't seem to understand reproduction rate shows you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
    One day Ireland had a reproduction rate of 1.5
    Last week Ireland had a reproduction rate of ~0.7
    Big difference, bud.
    Not replying anymore cos you seem to be having a moody day or something.

    Your 0.7 will rise sharply in the coming weeks.


  • #8746
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    speckle wrote: »
    Spook do we get stats on how long people stay in hospital ie 10% less than 1 day... 10% ... 1 week.... etc.
    thanks

    Haven't seen anything like that. Not in CSO either

    Epi - Epidemiological date is derived from the earliest of onset date, date of diagnosis, laboratory specimen
    collection date, laboratory received date, laboratory reported date, event creation/notification date.


  • #8747
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Your 0.7 will rise sharply in the coming weeks.
    That's irrelevant to the topic we were discussing.
    Cases occurring in 10-14 days time were seeded during level 5.


    We're not going to see restaurants open next Wednesday and a case increase the day after, not how it works.


  • #8748
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    froog wrote: »
    whats the current theory from you lot - NPHET want a permanent lockdown until the end of time and to abolish pubs as well as building their media profiles for who knows what. and something about the world economic forum illuminati for good measure.

    is that about right?

    This is clearly related to the master plan for world domination and .....covid19 -covid-21, covid 24 etc . :pac:

    Also none of them Drink! That's some coincidence with the pubs..........

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  • #8749
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Are the rest of Europe completely irresponsible for letting their population have some bit of a life before locking down again for short periods. Look at the UK today letting fans back in stadium's, fans already back in a lot of European countries. Why are we so Conservative in our thinking, if some people on here lived in other European countries they would lose their ****.


  • #8750
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,086 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Why are you getting so offended? The fact you don't seem to understand reproduction rate shows you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
    One day Ireland had a reproduction rate of 1.5
    Last week Ireland had a reproduction rate of ~0.7
    Big difference, bud.
    Not replying anymore cos you seem to be having a moody day or something.

    How am I offended? You refuse to understand how 1000 cases is a possibility and you claim no one provides any reasoning. When the reasoning is provided you then refuse to read it and then refuse to reply?


  • #8751
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Rte are shameless cheerleaders for NPHET

    George Lee almost crying on the news

    Apparently we're not fit enough at the moment to go two steps at a time


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  • #8752
    jojofizzio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,296 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    Sharon Ni Bheolain pissing herself laughing at George Lee’s Doom-mongering....


  • #8753
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    jojofizzio wrote: »
    Sharon Ni Bheolain pissing herself laughing at George Lee’s Doom-mongering....


    Link? :pac:


  • #8754
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    ixoy wrote: »
    There's no chance around the household visiting and inter-county travel. Everyone I know of, who have been very compliant to this point, are travelling for Christmas to see family. Now a good few are cancelling mixing large numbers of households but they're all moving about. NPHET won't get their way here, no matter what they say.
    Yep, waste of time saying not to do that.

    TBH they need to do more on advice and less on restrictions right now. Tell people what safe behaviours are and what aren't. It can't just be Luke O'Neill emphasising the importance of ventilation. Wave at each other from the garden.

    We're probably going to have 2, maybe 3 vaccines signed off before Christmas. Small volumes, but it will be front page news with pictures of them being literally loaded onto planes. This is an opportunity to tell people to double-down on being careful, because vaccines are only around the corner.

    And I think opening indoor hospitality is mental. We run the risk of a huge spike in the new year, because we know there will be an increase anyway from household visits.


  • #8755
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Rte are shameless cheerleaders for NPHET

    George Lee almost crying on the news

    Apparently we're not fit enough at the moment to go two steps at a time

    I think it's time George was advised to go and isolate on one of the small uninhabited islands off the coast and let the actual health correspondent take over.


  • #8756
    jojofizzio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,296 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    [PHP][/PHP]
    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Link? :pac:

    RTE1+1 in about 55 minutes :D


  • #8757
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Link? :pac:

    His analogy of the stairs was hilarious - not in a good way


  • #8758
    jojofizzio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,296 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    His analogy of the stairs was hilarious - not in a good way

    The look on her face was priceless :D


  • #8759
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    I wonder what will America look like tomorrow with black Friday? Will there be the usual crowds trying to get in the doors or will social distancing be maintained, not that they were very great at it to begin with.


  • #8760
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    pjohnson wrote: »
    How am I offended? You refuse to understand how 1000 cases is a possibility and you claim no one provides any reasoning. When the reasoning is provided you then refuse to read it and then refuse to reply?
    You provided some random sum that a randomer posted which doesn't take into account:
    1) Reproduction rate
    2) Serial interval
    3) The date on which restrictions are loosened


    And you question why I don't accept it?


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  • #8761
    paddyisreal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    In the last 6 months between May the 24th and november the 25th we have had over 65 percent of the total cases 46555 out of 71187 and only 21 percent of the deaths. Also total icu admissions are only 20 percent for the same period.

    What modeling technique are nphet using for icu and deaths because to my eye its figures are way off. Doesn't add up and doesn't install confidence in them at all.


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