Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Eod100 · 26-11-2020 07:31PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Indeed. Government have to make a decision from an economic and social perspective based on the health advice.
I believe NPHET are gone on a bit of a mad one to be honest. Level 4.5 for a decreasing positivity rate and stable hospitals is ridiculously overkill.

I'm referring to people going mad over NPHET's advice btw. I can understand both sides. I assume NPHET know that whatever the recommendations are for Christmas people will meet up anyway so want to get cases as low as possible.

If it's really about Christmas then people may have to sacrifice more in the lead up to it. Unfortunately this year has to be different.

Pete_Cavan · 26-11-2020 07:31PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That's a lot of denotifications

My understanding is the denotifications come off the total after todays cases are added but i could be wrong

They announce the number of new reported cases but the running total usually goes up by less as denotifications are taken out. If you check worldometers.com, they give the net new cases rather than the gross which gets announced.

I just wonder where this fits in with the situation where cases announced can be well above or below positive swabs? Our figures are far from straightforward.

polesheep · 26-11-2020 07:32PM

Ficheall wrote: »

Which of the politicians would you have preferred speaking to the media?

I would have preferred a dedicated government spokesperson advising the media of government actions taken subsequent to advice from NPHET. NPHET's role is to advise the government not engage with the media.

Kermit.de.frog · 26-11-2020 07:32PM

I don't see any reason to lift restrictions in the current circumstances a part from loosening the family visits for Christmas day itself.

Open things up now and by Christmas eve we will be dealing with well in excess of 1,000 cases per day.

More people get the disease, more people will die.

The government should have a proper understanding that eaten bread is soon forgotten and the public won't be forgiving for a heath catastrophe in January.

They need to follow scientific advice and not the whims of cranks.

No one will care about a missed Christmas on December 27th. And the same people, failing to understand the gravity of the situation, for wholly selfish reasons will be the same ones shouting against the govt about the fallout afterward.

Don't make stupid decisions you'll regret.

Ficheall · 26-11-2020 07:33PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

If you read the whole article you will see the study is to validate the efficacy of the vaccine. For some people they accidentally gave them a half dose followed by a full dose later on. In this group, the vaccine was found to be more effective. The study is to check this out further.

I thought that was an intentional difference?

ACitizenErased · 26-11-2020 07:33PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I'm referring to people going mad over NPHET's advice btw. I can understand both sides. I assume NPHET know that whatever the recommendations are for Christmas people will meet up anyway so want to get cases as low as possible.

If it's really about Christmas then people may have to sacrifice more in the lead up to it. Unfortunately this year has to be different.

We’ve sacrificed enough with a promise of a relatively normal Christmas.
NPHETs advice said **** off to everyone.

polesheep · 26-11-2020 07:34PM

froog wrote: »

no.

they.

don't.

the government has the only say on what recommendations are enacted. NPHET is advisory.

I know it's subtle but bear with me. NPHET playing the media allows them to bypass the government. We've actually seen this happen.

ElJeffe · 26-11-2020 07:35PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I don't see any reason to lift restrictions in the current circumstances a part from loosening the family visits for Christmas day itself.

Open things up now and by Christmas eve we will be dealing with well in excess of 1,000 cases per day.

More people get the disease, more people will die.

The government should have a proper understanding that eaten bread is soon forgotten and the public won't be forgiving for a heath catastrophe in January.

They need to follow scientific advice and not the whims of cranks.

No one will care about a missed Christmas on December 27th. And the same people, failing to understand the gravity of the situation, for wholly selfish reason will be the same ones shouting against the govt about the fallout afterward.

Don't make stupid decisions you'll regret.

Absolutely spot on. This is the time for real leadership. The government have done an outstanding job up until now. Let's not drop the ball as we head into the end zone.

ACitizenErased · 26-11-2020 07:36PM

1000 per day by Christmas eve

I swear some on here wear NPHET t-shirts. It’s alright lads, ye can disagree with Tony, he won’t hurt ya.

CalamariFritti · 26-11-2020 07:36PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I don't see any reason to lift restrictions in the current circumstances a part from loosening the family visits for Christmas day itself.

Open things up now and by Christmas eve we will be dealing with well in excess of 1,000 cases per day.

More people get the disease, more people will die.

The government should have a proper understanding that eaten bread is soon forgotten and the public won't be forgiving for a heath catastrophe in January.

They need to follow scientific advice and not the whims of cranks.

No one will care about a missed Christmas on December 27th. And the same people, failing to understand the gravity of the situation, for wholly selfish reasons will be the same ones shouting against the govt about the fallout afterward.

Don't make stupid decisions you'll regret.

I'll say it again. We were rushed into level 5 without giving level 3 enough time. And then later it turned out that level 3 was probably just fine.

So now level 5 is the gold standard and level 3 or below is deemed armageddon. This is total alarmist bull.

People have very short memories.

stephenjmcd · 26-11-2020 07:36PM

shinzon wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1126/1180734-astrazeneca-vaccine-study/?fbclid=IwAR0ryi8_XHcCA1x1EQ5kGmu9nCBuyCRSELHEvZ7WaojZ0DEgQcBrXCyIN_U

They want to run another global trial yet in Europe be grand

Shin

Its the way the FDA want the data. Separate to EMA. FDA want the trials to have data submitted from USA. Half dose full dose didn't take place in the US and can't be submitted there

26-11-2020 07:37PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I don't see any reason to lift restrictions in the current circumstances a part from loosening the family visits for Christmas day itself.

Open things up now and by Christmas eve we will be dealing with well in excess of 1,000 cases per day.

More people get the disease, more people will die.

The government should have a proper understanding that eaten bread is soon forgotten and the public won't be forgiving for a heath catastrophe in January.

They need to follow scientific advice and not the whims of cranks.

No one will care about a missed Christmas on December 27th. And the same people, failing to understand the gravity of the situation, for wholly selfish reasons will be the same ones shouting against the govt about the fallout afterward.

Don't make stupid decisions you'll regret.

Source for 1000 cases a day?

Ficheall · 26-11-2020 07:37PM

polesheep wrote: »

I would have preferred a dedicated government spokesperson advising the media of government actions taken subsequent to advice from NPHET. NPHET's role is to advise the government not engage with the media.

In principle, I'd agree - though it is good to have NPHET members available to answer questions a spokesperson might not be able to. However, I wouldn't have high hopes for the government choosing a good spokesperson..

Eod100 · 26-11-2020 07:37PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

We’ve sacrificed enough with a promise of a relatively normal Christmas.
NPHETs advice said **** off to everyone.

I agree about the sacrifices but the message I got was there's costs to making choices government want. I can understand wanting to open up as much as possible, whether that is feasible is the issue. Like I said NPHET know people will enjoy Christmas as much as possible so trying to get cases as low as possible before then but it's not an easy message to accept.

ACitizenErased · 26-11-2020 07:38PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Source for 1000 cases a day?

Blah blah blah exponential growth blah blah blah level 3 didnt work blah blah blah “end zone” blah blah

froog · 26-11-2020 07:39PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1126/1180723-santa-claus-christmas-covid-travel/

He added: "It's important to say to all children in the country that we regard Santa Claus's travels as essential travel for essential purposes and therefore he is exempt from the need to self-quarantine for 14 days and should be able to come in and out of Irish airspace and indeed in and out of Irish homes without having to restrict his movement.

ONE RULE FOR SANTA AND ONE FOR THE REST OF US!! BLOODY NPHET!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

ACitizenErased · 26-11-2020 07:39PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I agree about the sacrifices but the message I got was there's costs to making choices government want. I can understand wanting to open up as much as possible, whether that is feasible is the issue. Like I said NPHET know people will enjoy Christmas as much as possible so trying to get cases as low as possible before then but it's not an easy message to accept.

Disagree. They’ve hooked onto some other country’s data to justify a ridiculous recommendation. It’s pure and utter power trip at this stage.

Benimar · 26-11-2020 07:40PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

1000 per day by Christmas eve I swear some on here wear NPHET t-shirts. It’s alright lads, ye can disagree with Tony, he won’t hurt ya.

We first hit 1,000 cases on October 10th. 28 days earlier we had 196 cases.

We have 300+ cases today. What’s 28 days time? Yep, Christmas Eve.

It’s not impossible that if we open too much up we could hit 1,000 cases in a month.

Ficheall · 26-11-2020 07:40PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I'll say it again. We were rushed into level 5 without giving level 3 enough time. And then later it turned out that level 3 was probably just fine.

Some people were also against level 3. And the purpose of the restrictions wasn't just to find out what effect what levels would have, but also to prevent cases and save lives.

If there's a fire in an apartment block, and you have two fire engines, you don't just send one 'to see if it can manage on its own', even though it might be useful info to have.

Eod100 · 26-11-2020 07:42PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Disagree. They’ve hooked onto some other country’s data to justify a ridiculous recommendation. It’s pure and utter power trip at this stage.

That's fair enough and you're entitled disagree and criticise them as everyone else is. Issue I had was with the personalisation and personal abuse from some posters which achieves absolutely nothing but see most are now banned anyways.

Turtwig · 26-11-2020 07:43PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Blah blah blah exponential growth blah blah blah level 3 didnt work blah blah blah “end zone” blah blah

You of all people should know how sensitive the case numbers are to a couple of tenths increase in the r number.

It's not blah blah. It's basic math. We're currently at 200 per day. That is actually not far from an increase to 1,000 a day in a few weeks at all if too many measures are relaxed.

frank8211 · 26-11-2020 07:43PM

Anyone know what the hell has happened in Kilkenny and Tipperary to cause all those cases

CalamariFritti · 26-11-2020 07:43PM

Ficheall wrote: »

Some people were also against level 3. And the purpose of the restrictions wasn't just to find out what effect what levels would have, but also to prevent cases and save lives.

If there's a fire in an apartment block, and you have two fire engines, you don't just send one 'to see if it can manage on its own', even though it might be useful info to have.

But its not a bloody fire. We were down to single figures and had all the time in the world for something with method. But we wouldnt stop tinkering and doing 3.5s and local here and bollix that. Dont turn the tv too loud. We f**** up again because the people in charge are fumblers.

And now some people try to rewrite history and will have us in lockdown indefinitely.

You couldnt make this sh1t up.

WoollyRedHat · 26-11-2020 07:44PM

Benimar wrote: »

We first hit 1,000 cases on October 10th. 28 days earlier we had 196 cases.

We have 300+ cases today. What’s 28 days time? Yep, Christmas Eve.

It’s not impossible that if we open too much up we could hit 1,000 cases in a month.

Canada's cases practically doubled after Thanksgiving holiday.

ElJeffe · 26-11-2020 07:46PM

Benimar wrote: »

We first hit 1,000 cases on October 10th. 28 days earlier we had 196 cases.

We have 300+ cases today. What’s 28 days time? Yep, Christmas Eve.

It’s not impossible that if we open too much up we could hit 1,000 cases in a month.

It's very possible unfortunately. Thinking otherwise is head in the sand type thinking.

Open the Pubs · 26-11-2020 07:46PM

I'd say NPHET saved and tacked on a couple hundred extra cases just for today. It's a running theme with them, usually do it whenever restrictions are to be lifted.

UM1 · 26-11-2020 07:47PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Source for 1000 cases a day?

MCConkey

terenc · 26-11-2020 07:47PM

A nation of FU*KING alcoholics.

ACitizenErased · 26-11-2020 07:49PM

terenc wrote: »

A nation of FU*KING alcoholics.

- who can’t go and sit down somewhere for a pizza ffs

Alcohol is most definitely NOT the issue

lausp · 26-11-2020 07:50PM

frank8211 wrote: »

Anyone know what the hell has happened in Kilkenny and Tipperary to cause all those cases

Tipp had a big football win at the weekend. Not sure about Kilkenny but the castle park is rammed every weekend and the council have tables out to encourage people to get takeaway food etc, have to think this is encouraging people to meet.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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