Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Rrrrrr2

Russman wrote: »

You really think an expert or advisory group should be made up of elected people ? Seriously ?

That’s not what I said- but any group yielding the kind of power Nphet have must be democratically accountable. Otherwise it’s an autocracy. That may not trouble you but it greatly concerns me

polesheep

boardise wrote: »

Just on the 'unelected' point ... experts are more or less by definition unelected. Who elected the experts who came up with the vaccines ?
Using 'unelected 'as a stick to beat NPHET with makes no sense.

It does if they are allowed to make decisions. They should advise government and the government should make the decisions.

Pete_Cavan

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Yes the virus is very nice to the paddies but hates the people in other countries such that their authorities have to close schools. . .

It's a simple reality accepted that schools open contribute to an increased number of cases because if this were not the case then all schools would be open worldwide.

We have decided to take on that contribution which has led to an average 370 cases per day average (over the past 14 days) after 35 days at level 5.

We would be well below 100 cases (NPHET's target by December 1st) if schools had closed on entry to level 5.

We have chosen not to do so and so there is a cost associated.

That cost is increased infection and an increased number of cases.

Yes the virus is very nice to the majority of countries but hates the people in a small minority of countries such that their authorities have to close schools! Saying a few places have closed schools therefore schools must be the problem only holds if you ignore everywhere else (which you seem happy to do).

Where schools have closed, it has been due to very high community transmission. Many countries have managed lower community transmission despite schools having remained open, including yourselves. About 50% of the population are exposed to schools (either directly or indirectly), if schools were a big source of spread, we would have far higher cases.

Of course schools contribute to some spread but the evidence suggests that that is at a small level. If schools were a big source of spread, where are the outbreaks and cases?

boardise

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

No I want them abolished- if they want to form a party and get elected based on their flavour of autocratic “health” fascism then that is up to the public to decide. As it is we are getting the above with no democratic tenets or accountability.

I’ve no interest on their “advice” thank you, which you do appear to be admitting is compulsory- deeply troubling in itself

You need to take a chill pill- you're just posting rabid rubbish.

Rrrrrr2

boardise wrote: »

Just on the 'unelected' point ... experts are more or less by definition unelected. Who elected the experts who came up with the vaccines ?
Using 'unelected 'as a stick to beat NPHET with makes no sense.

Course it makes sense when fundamental democratic norms and freedoms are at stake

The scientists working on vaccines as far as I’m aware haven’t been interfering in people’s lives for a year to the best of my knowledge. So but if a red herring there I’m afraid. All hail Lord Tony

froog

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

That’s not what I said- but any group yielding the kind of power Nphet have must be democratically accountable. Otherwise it’s an autocracy. That may not trouble you but it greatly concerns me

so you don't want them elected but you do want them democratically accountable? what exactly does that mean?

manniot2

Tony is some backstabing c1nt. Let the government makes their plans, basically announce them, then wait until the 11th hour to swoop in and undermine them, when they cant change course. Absolute backstabing of the highest order. Some operator.

bennyl10

3 death 335 cases

Rrrrrr2

boardise wrote: »

You need to take a chill pill- you're just posting rabid rubbish.

Sure so rather than actually debate you push the insult and belittle button- it’s how the Nazis used to flatten all dissent- claim opponents were mentally ill. The lowest of the low type comebacks

froog

polesheep wrote: »

It does if they are allowed to make decisions. They should advise government and the government should make the decisions.

that is what is happening. do you not remember when the government went against them twice in the last few months?

Peter Flynt

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Of course schools contribute to some spread. . .

That's what the argument has been about and I'm delighted that you agree with me.
Schools do contribute to the viral spread.
Period.

Rrrrrr2

froog wrote: »

so you don't want them elected but you do want them democratically accountable? what exactly does that mean?

If people want to vote for autocratic rubbish like Nphet they are free to do so.

bennyl10

manniot2 wrote: »

Tony is some backstabing c1nt. Let the government makes their plans, basically announce them, then wait until the 11th hour to swoop in and undermine them, when they cant change course. Absolute backstabing of the highest order. Some operator.

Nphet were always due to meet today?
If the government planned without awaiting public health advice that’s on them

Seamai

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Sure so rather than actually debate you push the insult and belittle button- it’s how the Nazis used to flatten all dissent- claim opponents were mentally ill. The lowest of the low type comebacks

Godwin alert!

JP Liz V1

bennyl10 wrote: »

3 death 335 cases

RIP

119 in Dublin, 29 in Kilkenny, 23 in Limerick, 20 in Donegal, 19 in Tipperary, 19 in Cork

bennyl10

bennyl10 wrote: »

3 death 335 cases

And there's the backlog from yesterday, conveniently timed for Tony's statement of intent. Underhanded shenanigans, we're being played.

Stheno

bennyl10 wrote: »

3 death 335 cases

Is that the backlog? Or were the swab figures similar today to 335?

froog

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

If people want to vote for autocratic rubbish like Nphet they are free to do so.

what?

Necro

manniot2 wrote: »

Tony is some backstabing c1nt. Let the government makes their plans, basically announce them, then wait until the 11th hour to swoop in and undermine them, when they cant change course. Absolute backstabing of the highest order. Some operator.

Mod:

Tone it down please, no need for that sort of language

PmMeUrDogs

Stheno wrote: »

Is that the backlog? Or were the swab figures similar today to 335?

Backlog

eagle eye

Open the Pubs wrote:

It suits Dr Death to leak everything to the media once again, thinks he runs the country. He has our cowardly politicians under his thumb.

Lol, hard to hide your agenda with your username.

shinzon

Just for the NPHET is running the country types in here Gavan Reilly just tweeted this

NPHET advice to Government is that restaurants and pubs should allow takeaway service ONLY, throughout ALL of December.

Set to be rejected by Cabinet subcommittee which is meeting right now to consider allowing FOUR households under one roof at Christmas.

NPHET for the bajillionth time gives advice and its upto the government to either take the advice or reject it which there going to do.

This also from Christina Flynn of thejournal.ie

Other than advising that restaurants and pubs should allow takeaway service only throughout all of December, NPHET has also raised concerns around reopening Mass and religious services.

Shin

manniot2

Necro wrote: »

Mod:

Tone it down please, no need for that sort of language

Every need.

blowitupref

Stheno wrote: »

Is that the backlog? Or were the swab figures similar today to 335?

64 backlog cases included in today.

KrustyUCC

Stheno wrote: »

Is that the backlog? Or were the swab figures similar today to 335?

271 swabs

Was about 100 less cases than swabs yesterday

cameramonkey

PmMeUrDogs wrote: »

Backlog

How many in the back log?

fred funk }{

George Lee is some doom merchant. He just can't help himself.

jaffa20

George, the spokesperson for Tony

SEPT 23 1989

The government have backed themselves into a corner no choice now but to open things up

tony is covering his arse to say I told you so when numbers have exploded by Christmas Eve

Richard Hillman

Everybody was predicting that the figures were going up today and were called conspiracy theorists. We knew they would try and pull a fast one.