Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Golfman64 · 26-11-2020 07:14PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

This six week lockdown apparently cost €1.5 billion in PUP payments not to mind the cost to businesses not trading

Yet NPHET only wanted to allow retail to open after all that time with enhanced measures mind

Such generosity from them

Any update on the economy today?
Number of businesses expected to close due to the NPHET proposal on bars/restaurants?
Number of people unemployed over Christmas/New Year?
Increase in our countries Debt?
Effects on taxes and public sector salaries in the years ahead?

I'm certainly not denying that Covid is a serious issue but the cost of shuttering a sector that can rely on upwards of 70% of its revenue from the month of December must be weighed heavily against the health aspects. I believe the government will likely make the right decision here and allow the sector open. It will inevitably lead to higher case numbers come January but in all honesty, this may have to be considered a worthwhile economic trade-off.

owlbethere · 26-11-2020 07:15PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Corona viruses have been around forever. After 8 months if its latest instalment I think we can ditch the 'novel' as an excuse.

This virus is novel to our immune systems and it will continue to be novel until many people have been exposed and infected with the virus and herd immunity comes about either through infection or from vaccine.

WoollyRedHat · 26-11-2020 07:16PM

NPHET ate my baby!!!

Eod100 · 26-11-2020 07:16PM

manniot2 wrote: »

Tony is some backstabing c1nt. Let the government makes their plans, basically announce them, then wait until the 11th hour to swoop in and undermine them, when they cant change course. Absolute backstabing of the highest order. Some operator.

Government knew they'd only get recommendations today. The official announcement is Friday for that reason. Obviously government was trying to get ahead of NPHET by briefing to media. You're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

Pete_Cavan · 26-11-2020 07:17PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

271 swabs

Was about 100 less cases than swabs yesterday

Where todays 28 denotifications fit into all of this? If they include the previous days difference between swabs and reported cases, where do the denotified cases come from?

fly_agaric · 26-11-2020 07:17PM

Tony is some backstabbing ****

Dr Death

health fascists

tony houlihan is destroying this country

Saint Tony

George Lee is some doom merchant.

Wasn't following the news today but NPHET must have said something people don't want to hear. Jaysus someone needs to send the Nurse around with some soothing balm to calm things down!

polesheep · 26-11-2020 07:18PM

froog wrote: »

that is what is happening. do you not remember when the government went against them twice in the last few months?

And were promptly put back into their box.

MOR316 · 26-11-2020 07:18PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

If I had may way we would have some restrictions eased for December with a greater opening up as the vaccine rolls out in late December and January and February. Gradual opening but when we open we stay open.

Instead I will probably be fairly conservative in my own behaviour. Cases will rise and instead of being fairly open we will probably be in a full lockdown after Christmas for a month.

I know which I'd like but I don't get to choose. I get to be conservative when things are open and to be locked up in level 5 lockdown when it happens.

My choice isn't very important is it?

Everyone's choice is very important. If everyone took the view that it wasn't, who knows where we would be.

I plan on travelling to two different counties, regardless of restrictions, but I won't be meeting other people. I'll just be on my own, getting out for a change of scenery. Will tip to a bar and sit in a quiet corner for a quiet few pints

Am I putting others in danger of the virus? No!
Do I see it as putting myself in danger of the virus? No!

That's my choice. It's reserved! Maybe not for some but, for me, it is!

froog · 26-11-2020 07:18PM

hilarious people think NPHET are leaking and not a bunch of politicians who have proven form for leaks.

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froog · 26-11-2020 07:20PM

polesheep wrote: »

And were promptly put back into their box.

it is an actual fact that NPHET have no power to enact their own recommendations though.

KrustyUCC · 26-11-2020 07:20PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Government not happy

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1332023778558291969?s=19

Wow that's some choice

NPHET playing themselves off the pitch with that carry on I hope

ElJeffe · 26-11-2020 07:21PM

Terrible numbers yet again. Zero chance of pubs opening imo. Would be the height of irresponsibility by the government.

Pete_Cavan · 26-11-2020 07:21PM

growleaves wrote: »

I think people are making it too personal with their references to Tony Holohan.

The government are ultimately using NPHET are a shield from criticism even as NPHET seem to be out-flanking them with strong messaging via leaks.

I think the Gov should disband NPHET as a committee and therefore take full responsibility for the authority they exercise.

They could still take advice from from former members and other doctors and scientists but imo the abstraction of "public health" as a standalone concern separate from other aspects of life isn't working.

Covid isn't the New Black Death which is why the mass of people won't any longer accept public health measures as a super-priority overriding all other things. Most people go where they please now.

I'd agree with disbanding NPHET and having Tony and some others on a wider advisory panel with other fields represented.

fred funk }{ · 26-11-2020 07:22PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Lee on RTÉ: "the numbers are not impressive, we're nowhere near the original target." Twist the knife George.

You could actually see him wince when McCullagh said they figures were good.

shinzon · 26-11-2020 07:22PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1126/1180734-astrazeneca-vaccine-study/?fbclid=IwAR0ryi8_XHcCA1x1EQ5kGmu9nCBuyCRSELHEvZ7WaojZ0DEgQcBrXCyIN_U

British drug manufacturer AstraZeneca is likely to run an additional global trial to assess the efficacy of its Covid-19 vaccine, its chief executive has said, after questions over the results from its late-stage study.

Pascal Soriot said that further research is needed but the additional testing is unlikely to affect regulatory approval in Europe.

AstraZeneca and its partner, the University of Oxford, announced on Monday that it was seeking regulatory approval for the vaccine after it showed an average 70% effectiveness.

They want to run another global trial yet in Europe be grand

Shin

KrustyUCC · 26-11-2020 07:22PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Where todays 28 denotifications fit into all of this? If they include the previous days difference between swabs and reported cases, where do the denotified cases come from?

That's a lot of denotifications

My understanding is the denotifications come off the total after todays cases are added but i could be wrong

MOR316 · 26-11-2020 07:23PM

froog wrote: »

hilarious people think NPHET are leaking and not a bunch of politicians who have proven form for leaks.

It would be very naive to think NPHET aren't or haven't been leaking or getting onside with people in the media.

Tony Holohan has made it his business to get very cosy with a lot of "journalists"

Of course, Government have been leaking. We all know what Varadker is like but, keep an open mind on NPHET.

It's not as straight forward as you think

ACitizenErased · 26-11-2020 07:24PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

Terrible numbers yet again. Zero chance of pubs opening imo. Would be the height of irresponsibility by the government.

You’re not happy? God, thats a shock.
Government makes the decisions btw, not NPHET, so the decision will likely be a responsible one and not a “****ting the bed” one.

polesheep · 26-11-2020 07:24PM

growleaves wrote: »

I think people are making it too personal with their references to Tony Holohan.

The government are ultimately using NPHET are a shield from criticism even as NPHET seem to be out-flanking them with strong messaging via leaks.

I think the Gov should disband NPHET as a committee and therefore take full responsibility for the authority they exercise.

They could still take advice from from former members and other doctors and scientists but imo the abstraction of "public health" as a standalone concern separate from other aspects of life isn't working.

Covid isn't the New Black Death which is why the mass of people won't any longer accept public health measures as a super-priority overriding all other things. Most people go where they please now.

I think the fundamental mistake was to give NPHET autonomy. It should have been chaired by a senior government official (not the CMO). And at no point should anyone from NPHET have be allowed to speak to the media.

blowitupref · 26-11-2020 07:24PM

fred funk }{ wrote: »

George Lee is some doom merchant. He just can't help himself.

He's a worn out gimmick routine at this stage. 7 day average from last Thursday and people requiring hospital treatment from last Monday is way down but his role is to tell the watching public that we aren't where we need to be.

WoollyRedHat · 26-11-2020 07:25PM

Do you know what the government/HSE have done in 6 weeks of lockdown to alleviate public health teams by providing them more resources i.e. recruitment of more public health doctors? Nothing, in fact they pissed off the public health body so much they've voted for industrial action. That's what decades of neglect will do. Government are great at playing the blame game and allowing advisory bodies to take the slack caused by their own dithering and inaction..they were recommended to stop non-essential travel in the summer and what did they do? Nothing.

Eod100 · 26-11-2020 07:25PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You’re not happy? God, thats a shock.
Government makes the decisions btw, not NPHET, so the decision will likely be a responsible one and not a “****ting the bed” one.

Same process it always has been and yet some people on here screaming bloody murder

Necro · 26-11-2020 07:26PM

Gael23 wrote: »

This may well be Houlihan last Christmas with his wife and he wants to spend it in level 5 lockdown

What a miserable man

Mod:

Threadbanned

Folks, you are perfectly entitled to criticize NPHET or Tony Holohan but comments like this serve no purpose

Calling people names such as Dr. Death or Saint Tony only weaken your argument, it's the lowest form of wit.

Keep it civil and on topic and you can discuss the restrictions or your opposition to them as much as you like

polesheep · 26-11-2020 07:26PM

froog wrote: »

it is an actual fact that NPHET have no power to enact their own recommendations though.

But they do have the power to make them happen.

Ficheall · 26-11-2020 07:26PM

polesheep wrote: »

I think the fundamental mistake was to give NPHET autonomy. It should have been chaired by a senior government official (not the CMO). And at no point should anyone from NPHET have be allowed to speak to the media.

Which of the politicians would you have preferred speaking to the media?

MOR316 · 26-11-2020 07:27PM

polesheep wrote: »

I think the fundamental mistake was to give NPHET autonomy. It should have been chaired by a senior government official (not the CMO). And at no point should anyone from NPHET have be allowed to speak to the media.

This!

I've said it before but as time went on, those press conferences did not sit well with me.

I understand the argument of people wanting information but, all the info you got was the case numbers and deaths. Every other question that was and has been put to them is never fully answered*

*Except for questions on weddings of course. Thanks Zara

AlmightyCushion · 26-11-2020 07:27PM

shinzon wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1126/1180734-astrazeneca-vaccine-study/?fbclid=IwAR0ryi8_XHcCA1x1EQ5kGmu9nCBuyCRSELHEvZ7WaojZ0DEgQcBrXCyIN_U

They want to run another global trial yet in Europe be grand

Shin

If you read the whole article you will see the study is to validate the efficacy of the vaccine. For some people they accidentally gave them a half dose followed by a full dose later on. In this group, the vaccine was found to be more effective. The study is to check this out further.

ACitizenErased · 26-11-2020 07:27PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Same process it always has been and yet some people on here screaming bloody murder

Indeed. Government have to make a decision from an economic and social perspective based on the health advice.
I believe NPHET are gone on a bit of a mad one to be honest. Level 4.5 for a decreasing positivity rate and stable hospitals is ridiculously overkill.

polesheep · 26-11-2020 07:27PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

Terrible numbers yet again. Zero chance of pubs opening imo. Would be the height of irresponsibility by the government.

No, they are not. The numbers are nothing to be alarmed about.

froog · 26-11-2020 07:30PM

polesheep wrote: »

But they do have the power to make them happen.

no.

they.

don't.

the government has the only say on what recommendations are enacted. NPHET is advisory.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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