Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII Read OP For Mod Warnings

brisan · 25-11-2020 09:25AM

Fodla wrote: »

Are we not allowed to discuss the possibility of Ireland being in permanent lockdown? It's been in and out of lockdown for the guts of a year. It doesn't bode well for the future.

It's not a conspiracy theory. The yo-yo lockdowns of the past year almost suggest it may be a possibility.

I reckon there will be yo-yo lockdowns of varying magnitudes until the vaccination program has been completed
It is the only weapon in NPHETs arsenal and it suits Tony's anti alcohol agenda

Banana Republic 1 · 25-11-2020 09:26AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Also key is whether that case has symptoms or the first they knew of it was when they were told

A case without symptoms is not a problem.

A difference that makes no difference, IS no difference

That’s a moronic serious of statements. Science has established that between 40 and 60% of cases are a symptomatic, they still spread the virus though.

brisan · 25-11-2020 09:30AM

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Why are we in a yo-yo cycle and what is the alternative.

Protect the nursing home .protect the hospitals (dedicated covid only hospitals ) test and trace quickly and efficiently ,keep hand washing, social distancing and mask wearing where appropriate and let the rest of the population carry on as normal
All the things NPHET and the Government were supposed to do and failed miserably

Fodla · 25-11-2020 09:32AM

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

I could have written your post a couple of months ago. The whole thing was really frustrating me and getting me down. I made a few simple changes that I can highly recommend. I stopped listening to the news, this was the most important change. I ignored for the most part the move to level 5. I can’t eat out or go to the shops obviously but I can travel over 5k, have people to my house and visit others, have my hair done etc. I feel so much better as do all of my friends, I literally know no one who is adhering to level 5. This is only a deadly virus to a small percentage of the population none of whom are within my social circle. We are all responsible adults, we need to take responsibility for ourselves and our own and live as normally as possible, safely y of course.

You were right to ignore it and I'm glad you can meet with friends and have people over. Not listening to the news is a great idea. I have been pleading with my parents not to listen to it, but they're so used to it as this stage that there's no point in trying to ask them to give up RTÉ. I haven't watched RTÉ once since March.

You've hit the nail on the head re living responsibly and people making decisions for themselves.

Fodla · 25-11-2020 09:34AM

brisan wrote: »

Protect the nursing home .protect the hospitals (dedicated covid only hospitals ) test and trace quickly and efficiently ,keep hand washing, social distancing and mask wearing where appropriate and let the rest of the population carry on as normal
All the things NPHET and the Government were supposed to do and failed miserably

I agree with all of that apart from the mask wearing. Look at all the countries with 24/7 mask wearing (the US, Peru, the Philippines, Spain, France and Italy, among others) and case numbers are through the roof in all of them. This isn't the appropriate thread to discuss masks in, but I wouldn't bother with them based on the evidence of what's going on in those countries.

brisan · 25-11-2020 09:36AM

FrStone wrote: »

I read Prof Luke O'Neils remarks earlier today about sticking 'grandpa' in front of a wide open window for Christmas dinner.

I've gone through a range of emotions since then. First I laughed at the sheer craziness that someone would suggest it, nevermind in public. Then I just became bemused at the country we live in, imagine a so called public service broadcaster would give this the time of day - it's too far fetched for a tabloid.

Finally anger. The statement gives us a real insight in to how old people are viewed in Ireland. Not respected. Since March our government, NPHET and talking heads like O'Neil haven't shown a blind bit of interest in our elderly.

My grandparents are no longer alive, but if they were still alive they would not be put sitting next to an open window. They are family, they would eat with the rest of us. Imagine them getting hypothermia because we thought it would be better to keep the window open.

When we were in level 3, I kept seeing many older men from my area calling into the pub for a few pints. Except they had to sit outside in the freezing cold, just to be able to have a bit of company. If I'm lucky to reach 80, I hope I'm not treated with this level of disregard.

I know of one pub who in level 3 served 15 customers inside ,but let 3 OAPs (in their 80s) have a couple of pints inside every day
These 3 lads have been drinking in the pub for decades and meet up every day for a couple of hours
It is literally their only daily contact with the outside world

Fodla · 25-11-2020 09:37AM

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Ask yourself why Ireland couldn’t and didn’t do elwhat Sweden did.
Why did the government let NEPHT run the country.
Why did they ban living

I don't know why Ireland couldn't have done what Sweden did. I don't understand why recommendations wouldn't have had the same effect. People would have changed their behaviour regardless.

So you agree with me that they have banned living?

Fodla · 25-11-2020 09:38AM

brisan wrote: »

I reckon there will be yo-yo lockdowns of varying magnitudes until the vaccination program has been completed
It is the only weapon in NPHETs arsenal and it suits Tony's anti alcohol agenda

I agree, but my fear is that they will continue with the lockdowns even after the population has been vaccinated. Nothing suggests to me that they won't.

pjohnson · 25-11-2020 09:38AM

They have "banned living" and "never ending lockdowns"

Christ this thread has totally lost itself last few days.

Banana Republic 1 · 25-11-2020 09:41AM

brisan wrote: »

Protect the nursing home .protect the hospitals (dedicated covid only hospitals ) test and trace quickly and efficiently ,keep hand washing, social distancing and mask wearing where appropriate and let the rest of the population carry on as normal
All the things NPHET and the Government were supposed to do and failed miserably

The government has failed end off. NEPHT are just hired in to do an advising job. People should be blaming the government for not taking proper steps but instead all here can’t see the wood form the trees.

There’s is no “rest of the population”

Fodla · 25-11-2020 09:44AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Wow. The hysteria is alive and well.

You can call it hysteria. I call it looking at the evidence of the past 8 months and the increasing encroachment of the State on the lives of the people. My point is that a dangerous precedent has been set with lockdowns. Lockdown could be used for other illnesses and viruses. There could also be climate change lockdowns (an idea that has been posited by a university professor (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/28/professor-floats-idea-climate-lockdown-bans-red-me/) in the UK and by Lindsay Hoyle: https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/hot-topic-should-we-now-have-climate-change-lockdowns/, https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1334816/climate-change-rules-lindsay-hoyle-G7).

Banana Republic 1 · 25-11-2020 09:48AM

Fodla wrote: »

You can call it hysteria. I call it looking at the evidence of the past 8 months and the increasing encroachment of the State on the lives of the people. My point is that a dangerous precedent has been set with lockdowns. Lockdown could be used for other illnesses and viruses. There could also be climate change lockdowns (an idea that has been posited by a university professor (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/28/professor-floats-idea-climate-lockdown-bans-red-me/) in the UK and by Lindsay Hoyle: https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/hot-topic-should-we-now-have-climate-change-lockdowns/, https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1334816/climate-change-rules-lindsay-hoyle-G7).

How do spell conspiracy theory again?

Fodla · 25-11-2020 09:49AM

pjohnson wrote: »

They have "banned living" and "never ending lockdowns"

Christ this thread has totally lost itself last few days.

All people can do is go the shop. Can't go to restaurants, to a café, to the pub, to the library, to a football match, to a concert, can't leave their county, can't go further than 5k from where they live, can't do anything really apart from go to the shop. Based on that, why is it inaccurate to say that living has been de facto suspended?

A leading UN economist has floated the idea of a climate lockdown: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/28/professor-floats-idea-climate-lockdown-bans-red-me/

As has Lindsay Boyle: https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1334816/climate-change-rules-lindsay-hoyle-G7

Fodla · 25-11-2020 09:51AM

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Conspiracy alert

What's the conspiracy theory?

I have noticed that people shout 'conspiracy theory' when they wish for a poster to be thread banned. I hope I won't be thread banned because none of what I wrote is a conspiracy theory. I provided links about the climate change lockdowns.

A leading UN economist has called for climate lockdowns. As has Lindsay Hoyle. That's what I'm basing my fear of perpetual lockdown on. There's no conspiracy theory.

Ginger n Lemon · 25-11-2020 09:58AM

Wow

How does this happen?

This is absolute madness. How does he get to do that?

Banana Republic 1 · 25-11-2020 09:59AM

brisan wrote: »

I know of one pub who in level 3 served 15 customers inside ,but let 3 OAPs (in their 80s) have a couple of pints inside every day
These 3 lads have been drinking in the pub for decades and meet up every day for a couple of hours
It is literally their only daily contact with the outside world

You should have reported the pub if thought they we’re breaching the guidelines.

TRANQUILLO · 25-11-2020 09:59AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Not sure if this has been posted here yet or not. A video has surfaced of Prof Luke O’Neil talking to a class of school children by zoom, in which he declares they all have to get the vaccine. And that we may have to wear a permanent non-removable ‘bracelet’ - ‘which could pose a problem to our civil liberties‘ he jokes.
1. The Covid pandemic has been the most over reacted to illness of our time
2. There is no data out there to back up anything he suggested.
3. How is it legal for a Professor to effectively start grooming children with ‘appearances’ in schools like this? He also posted a coke ad alternative also re the vaccine coming.
4. The Department of Education should investigate this urgently as it sounds like a sponsored/paid partnership appearance effectively trying to influence our youth into a course of action regarding their health and well-being, a group who also remain the least affected by Covid.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9IcwLxCo2pM

And don’t even get me started on Nutty Professor Tomás Ryan shouting about zero Covid on Virgin media last night. He’s not even qualified to speak on this issue in the manner in which he does, he’s a neuro scientist. He has made so many false claims on Rte’s Prime Time of the threat Covid presents, including that ‘100’s of children could die’ which is completely false when looking at the data.

hes a disgrace

pjohnson · 25-11-2020 10:03AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Wow

How does this happen?

This is absolute madness. How does he get to do that?

Ivor found a niche for conspiracists so took advantage. Grifting is quite common. Note the kickstarter in the video description.

cherryghost · 25-11-2020 10:11AM

Talks of keeping inter-county travel only until a few days before Christmas, and 3 households could meet at Christmas.

Ginger n Lemon · 25-11-2020 10:13AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Ivor found a niche for conspiracists so took advantage. Grifting is quite common. Note the kickstarter in the video description.

Jesus PJ I know its early and you've missed the point (as always) of how does a school allow a vaccine sales pitch to its students from a nutty professor?

Also, Ivor did not say "all of you should get vaccinated". It was Luke O Neill. I know you arent the sharpest of cats now but even you must realize should a vaccine go wrong, these kind of videos will put Luke O Neill away for good?

25-11-2020 10:13AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Ivor found a niche for conspiracists so took advantage. Grifting is quite common. Note the kickstarter in the video description.

what so he highlights something that is very sinister, like a form of conditioning and he's a conspiracy theorist.

Talking about maybe having to carry your vaccinated form in your phone or having a non removable wrist band to say you're bona fide.. how is he allowed do this, to impressionable young people?? is he trying to boost the worry stats..

and then that Vaccine coca cola ad??? he could be sued for copyright alone and one more thing, why isnt this being removed as fake news from the great Youtube? none of his claims have merit rights? hence your conspiracy jibe...

In other news, I see Leo is leaking an intense lockdown is required in January so people will be scared and comply at Xmas..horrible stuff now being peddled.

pjohnson · 25-11-2020 10:16AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Jesus PJ I know its early and you've missed the point (as always) of how does a school allow a vaccine sales pitch to its students from a nutty professor?

Also, Ivor did not say "all of you should get vaccinated". It was Luke O Neill. I know you arent the sharpest of cats now but even you must realize should a vaccine go wrong, these kind of videos will put Luke O Neill away for good?

Oooof so personal straight away. Sorry I spoke ill of your hero Gingey. Forgot how you were probably hardcore anti-vax. I mean YOU surely don't want a succesful vaccine to bring an end to restrictions. What would you complain about then

Dont forget to back Ivors kickstarter.

brisan · 25-11-2020 10:18AM

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

How do spell conspiracy theory again?

N P H E T

brisan · 25-11-2020 10:22AM

Fodla wrote: »

Based on the past 8 months, NPHET, or Tony specifically. call the shots.

An agenda of control. They're power hungry. There is no evidence that they care about the health of people that don't have COVID. They have watched as people have missed cancer screenings, scans, been unable to go to the GP, dies of unbearable loneliness, and as the country was terrorised into submission. And the latest horror is a graph about how people aren't frightened enough.

But Fauci changes his mind a lot. He said until 2022 recently. I have no idea why people listen to him.

Tony also has an anti alcohol agenda

Fodla · 25-11-2020 10:23AM

brisan wrote: »

Tony also has an anti alcohol agenda

Yes, that's true.

Penfailed · 25-11-2020 10:27AM

Fodla wrote: »

Are we not allowed to discuss the possibility of Ireland being in permanent lockdown? It's been in and out of lockdown for the guts of a year. It doesn't bode well for the future.

It's not a conspiracy theory. The yo-yo lockdowns of the past year almost suggest it may be a possibility.

It's simply not a possibility.

25-11-2020 10:27AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Oooof so personal straight away. Sorry I spoke ill of your hero Gingey. Forgot how you were probably hardcore anti-vax. I mean YOU surely don't want a succesful vaccine to bring an end to restrictions. What would you complain about then

it's gas, calling somebody ANTI VAX is just a way of saying you're views on what they should do with their body trumps theirs. This is my view and that is yours, acceptable? If he was telling people Not to get the vaccine and that it's not ideal, you'd be saying the same about him so don't be dishonest now.

There was a time when masks were optional, now you can be fined or imprisoned for not wearing one, agreed? remember this???

https://www.thejournal.ie/face-masks-ireland-5086682-Apr2020/]

Is it such a stretch than now vaccines will not be compulsory. Increments are everything here now..

pottokblue · 25-11-2020 10:27AM

Over in France Macron spoke to the nation last night where they are also having a slow exit from lockdown, this weekend nonessential retail can reopen, 1km is increased to 20km, think the "attestations/permits" will cease on 15th december but a nationwide curfew from 2100 to 700am with the exception of Christmas Eve and NewYears eve. Bars and restaurants to remain shut until 20jan2021. France are currently trying to bring cases down to less 5000per diem hence their strategy. RIP Christophe Domini a highlight try in 1999 worldcup against All-blacks.

paw patrol · 25-11-2020 10:28AM

Fodla wrote: »

What's the conspiracy theory?

I have noticed that people shout 'conspiracy theory' when they wish for a poster to be thread banned. I hope I won't be thread banned because none of what I wrote is a conspiracy theory. I provided links about the climate change lockdowns.

A leading UN economist has called for climate lockdowns. As has Lindsay Hoyle. That's what I'm basing my fear of perpetual lockdown on. There's no conspiracy theory.

People who attack an opinion as "conspiracy theory" generally have no argument so they just vomit out a nonsense mantra - almost like they are conditioned to do so.

I suspect the poster in question has no meaningful life in the normal sense if his/her life isn't greatly impacted by level 5 cos even my most anti social acquaintances are giving out.

Penfailed · 25-11-2020 10:30AM

john4321 wrote: »

Sure it can be discussed but what you did was make a statement saying "Ireland is looking at being permanently locked down" and suggest people immigrate.

What do you mean by permanent lockdown? For the next few months or years?

My own opinion is it won't be. I think fingers crossed things will be back to normal summer 2021.

Permanent is forever. Anything else is temporary.

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