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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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    #6482
    gimli2112
    Registered Users Posts: 13,407 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    when all is said and done it's been an appropriate ending to an inglorious Presidency


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    #6483
    Sparko
    Registered Users Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭Sparko


    I fully expect Trump to hold a rally on Inauguration Day instead of attending the inauguration, crammed with his supporters, no distancing or masks.

    I expect the inauguration will be smaller than usual due to the new administration taking social gathering guidelines more seriously.

    And then Trump will make many references to how his crowd at his rally was so much bigger than the attendance at the inauguration. That's my prediction for how January 20th will go down.


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    #6484
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Sparko wrote: »
    I fully expect Trump to hold a rally on Inauguration Day instead of attending the inauguration, crammed with his supporters, no distancing or masks.

    I expect the inauguration will be smaller than usual due to the new administration taking social gathering guidelines more seriously.

    And then Trump will make many references to how his crowd at his rally was so much bigger than the attendance at the inauguration. That's my prediction for how January 20th will go down.

    Jeez, Sparko! You're after giving him ideas!!!


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    #6485
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Sparko wrote: »
    I fully expect Trump to hold a rally on Inauguration Day instead of attending the inauguration, crammed with his supporters, no distancing or masks.

    I expect the inauguration will be smaller than usual due to the new administration taking social gathering guidelines more seriously.

    And then Trump will make many references to how his crowd at his rally was so much bigger than the attendance at the inauguration. That's my prediction for how January 20th will go down.

    This is a pretty good shout. The only worry for him would be - would anyone actually cover it if it clashed with Biden's inauguration? If he took the chance to go up against it directly it would be very easy for the execs at the major networks* to draw a line under him and start their new policy of just not covering his rallies anymore.

    The only fate worse for Trump than someone else getting the limelight would be for someone else to get the limelight while at the same time he is actively being ignored.



    *NewsMax and OANN are not major networks


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    #6486
    dogbert27
    Registered Users Posts: 4,917 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    Would Trump be the first president not to invite the new president elect to the White House?


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    #6487
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,851 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    dogbert27 wrote: »
    Would Trump be the first president not to invite the new president elect to the White House?

    Do presidents who died in office count?


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    #6488
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    A reasonable suspicion that someone else took his phone and conceded the election against his wishes?

    More conspiracy theory than reasonable

    Well we did have posts from trump supporters on here claiming before this that he doesn't write any of his tweets.


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    #6489
    The Raging Bile Duct
    Registered Users Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Do presidents who died in office count?

    Count what?


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    #6490
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Well we did have this posts from trump supporters on here claiming before this that he doesn't write any of his tweets.

    He does or else he dictates them. As per one of his ex staffers


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    #6491
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,189 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Well we did have this posts from trump supporters on here claiming before this that he doesn't write any of his tweets.

    Did he then instruct the spelling mistakes to ensure his secret message is intact and being conveyed correctly to his special friend followers?


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    #6492
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Do presidents who died in office count?

    I assume that the VP would have visited the White House at some point in each case.


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    #6493
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,171 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Quite often VPs had no role in actual operating Govn't. Sometimes the POTUS and VP actively disliked each other and had no interaction.


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    #6494
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    dogbert27 wrote: »
    Would Trump be the first president not to invite the new president elect to the White House?

    Biden team should refuse to attend anyway pending a full coronavirus deep-clean of the place.


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    #6495
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,550 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Biden wouldn't need to do a White House visit anyway, he already worked there for 8 years. If I were them, I wouldn't bother forcing that issue, it'll just get Trump in a big huff again. Focusing on the actual political transition is far more important.

    I've also said before that I can't see Biden wanting to have any kind of major inauguration given the pandemic, but with Trump's big baby act over the last month, it might almost be necessary to really cement the handover in some people's minds.


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    #6496
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Biden just passed 80m total popular votes.

    Whatever opportunity Trump had to claim to be in the "elite" camp of candidates who first exceeded 70m votes, has been taken away by Biden.


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    #6497
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,101 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    robinph wrote: »
    Nobody has claimed that someone else has taken to making decisions on Trumps behalf by stealing his phone. But Trumps concession most likely just amounted to him being told it's over, him going "hrumph, OK then, you tweet it" then slamming the door and throwing the phone on the floor on the way out the room.

    Trump didn't compose the Tweet, but despite him having to be told to make the decision he still had to agree to it even if there was some significant arm twisting going on in the process.

    It seemed to me more like the standard Trump team tactic of claiming they told someone to make a decision that he had no real power over. They've been at it for the last 6 years.

    Once the GSA made the decision he was basically powerless to go against it because it was set in motion. He could rage and fire her but I dont think that would have stopped the transition so it is easier to say 'I told her to do it' and still claim it as he was in control. Right wing social media has clung onto that claiming 'it is all part of the plan'.


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    #6498
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,124 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    PA just certified.

    .


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    #6499
    paul71
    Registered Users Posts: 3,165 ✭✭✭paul71


    VinLieger wrote: »
    He may have approved the tweets but theres no way he wrote them.

    Yeap I agree, the construction and grammar used is well beyond his abilities, that is very obvious. In addition there is a lack of superfluous adjectives.


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    #6500
    paul71
    Registered Users Posts: 3,165 ✭✭✭paul71


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    He does or else he dictates them. As per one of his ex staffers

    He did not dictate those, he is not capable of such clarity. I do not doubt he told someone to write something and nodded approval when the text written by someone else was read to him.


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    #6501
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,330 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    paul71 wrote: »
    He did not dictate those, he is not capable of such clarity. I do not doubt he told someone to write something and nodded approval when the text written by someone else was read to him.
    I imagine there's a person or even a team that tweets out regularly from the account. I don't follow him, but I've seen a few tweets that don't have the same level of... excitement? about them.


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    #6502
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,169 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    An embarrassing end to an embarrassing presidency.


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    #6503
    froog
    Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    my god he's still not conceding. jesus.


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    #6504
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,168 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    froog wrote: »
    my god he's still not conceding. jesus.

    He can't just yet.

    If he concedes he has to shutter his PAC - So no more money coming in.

    Not sure if he can "officially" declare for 2024 until after Inauguration day so he needs to keep the current "Save America PAC" or whatever it's called going for as long as possible before he can roll it over into his "2024" PAC.

    It's all about the money.

    He always planned on challenging the results , he's telegraphed that for months now , but he didn't expect to have to try and flip 3 or 4 States , I think he thought that it would all come down to either PA or Florida.

    Given how utterly craven the GOP have been , if it had been just the one State he would have gotten away with it.

    But , once it became multiple States, it has always been about the money and building a brand to keep that money flowing.


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    #6505
    demfad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    He can't just yet.

    If he concedes he has to shutter his PAC - So no more money coming in.

    Not sure if he can "officially" declare for 2024 until after Inauguration day so he needs to keep the current "Save America PAC" or whatever it's called going for as long as possible before he can roll it over into his "2024" PAC.

    It's all about the money.

    He always planned on challenging the results , he's telegraphed that for months now , but he didn't expect to have to try and flip 3 or 4 States , I think he thought that it would all come down to either PA or Florida.

    Given how utterly craven the GOP have been , if it had been just the one State he would have gotten away with it.

    But , once it became multiple States, it has always been about the money and building a brand to keep that money flowing.

    I was suprised at his conceding the transition access. My feeling is he has leveraged this for something.


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    #6506
    moon2
    Registered Users Posts: 678 ✭✭✭moon2


    demfad wrote: »
    I was suprised at his conceding the transition access. My feeling is he has leveraged this for something.

    I'd like to believe that the inexorable march of time, and the law, are what forced this to occur. Trump has no legal basis for his claims (by virtue of the cases being thrown out due to lack of any corroborating evidence), and so the legal process is continuing to plod along.

    The most recent event is that the GSA have recognized biden as the winner, and so regardless of trump's desires the team have legal access to the transition fund.

    Trump didn't concede anything as he had no authority over it in the first place. He has pretended to concede the thing he had no authority over in an effort to save face. That may work amongst his supporters, who have been continuing to throw cash at him so he can pay down his debt.


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    #6507
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users Posts: 36,219 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    demfad wrote: »
    I was suprised at his conceding the transition access. My feeling is he has leveraged this for something.

    I'm not sure he did concede it tbf. The GSA head was asked to attend congressional oversight committees yesterday - didn't show - and apparently received some sharp letters demanding she provide an account of her continued refusal to allow the transition to commence. My guess is she informed Trump that on that basis she had done all the holding out she was going to do.


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    #6508
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Apparently in Maine just its military & overseas ballots breakdown was

    Biden 4,599 (80%)
    Trump 838 (15%)

    The military vote especially officers usually swings heavily republican, so would be interesting to see how their votes went in other states.


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    #6509
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    paul71 wrote: »
    He did not dictate those, he is not capable of such clarity. I do not doubt he told someone to write something and nodded approval when the text written by someone else was read to him.

    Agreed


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    #6510
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,923 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    I suppose this thread will morph in to the Georgia Run-off thread.

    Has anyone been keeping tabs on it?


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    #6511
    dogbert27
    Registered Users Posts: 4,917 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    He can't just yet.

    If he concedes he has to shutter his PAC - So no more money coming in.

    Not sure if he can "officially" declare for 2024 until after Inauguration day so he needs to keep the current "Save America PAC" or whatever it's called going for as long as possible before he can roll it over into his "2024" PAC.

    It's all about the money.

    He always planned on challenging the results , he's telegraphed that for months now , but he didn't expect to have to try and flip 3 or 4 States , I think he thought that it would all come down to either PA or Florida.

    Given how utterly craven the GOP have been , if it had been just the one State he would have gotten away with it.

    But , once it became multiple States, it has always been about the money and building a brand to keep that money flowing.

    In the small print of the emails it says Trump and the family can use the money for personal salaries.

    No shame.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8982595/Donald-Trump-family-salary-donations-court-battles-small-print-reveals.html


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