US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

TomOnBoard · 22-11-2020 11:25PM

One or both of the Michigan GOP members of the 4-person team responsible for Certification of the results may refuse to certify the results on Monday, using the ongoing legal action as grounds for doing so. This follows yesterday's request from the MI GOP to delay certification by 2 weeks to allow the legal pile of ****e to play out. If both GOPpers fail to certify, the Secretary of State should immediately remove them for failure to do their jobs, using the Courts if necessary. Its time to stop this ****show and move on!

TomOnBoard · 23-11-2020 12:29AM

Uh!Oh! something seems to have broken up the love-fest of the "Elite Strike Force Team":

Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) tweeted at 10:26 pm on Sun, 22, 2020:
Um she was at the nearly 2-hour press conference w Giuliani and Trump mentioned her in a tweet. Hard to put the toothpaste back etc https://t.co/Rd1PD5WFi2
(https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1330638702062825472?s=02)

Roanmore · 23-11-2020 08:22AM

After her "biblical" performance yesterday I'm not surprised.
She even tried to tie the Governor in to the voting machine issue saying he benefitted personally.
It's like she's reading all these conspiracy websites and using that as the basis of her case.

duploelabs · 23-11-2020 08:35AM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Uh!Oh! something seems to have broken up the love-fest of the "Elite Strike Force Team":

Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) tweeted at 10:26 pm on Sun, 22, 2020:
Um she was at the nearly 2-hour press conference w Giuliani and Trump mentioned her in a tweet. Hard to put the toothpaste back etc https://t.co/Rd1PD5WFi2
(https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1330638702062825472?s=02)

She should refuse to concede her position

VinLieger · 23-11-2020 10:10AM

Roanmore wrote: »

After her "biblical" performance yesterday I'm not surprised.
She even tried to tie the Governor in to the voting machine issue saying he benefitted personally.
It's like she's reading all these conspiracy websites and using that as the basis of her case.

Watching her part of the presser from last week again and listening to her voice continually break i think its only dawning on her as she says everything what she actually is doing, deep down she knows she has no evidence to support any of what she was claiming its just her hope that shes right is whats driving her through the whole thing, but at the same time her legal brain is probably gradually comprehending shes libeling a lot of people and companies the further she goes down the rabbit hole.

Roanmore · 23-11-2020 10:15AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Watching her part of the presser from last week again and listening to her voice continually break i think its only dawning on her as she says everything what she actually is doing, deep down she knows she has no evidence to support any of what she was claiming its just her hope that shes right is whats driving her through the whole thing, but at the same time her legal brain is probably gradually comprehending shes libeling a lot of people and companies the further she goes down the rabbit hole.

And now she's been cut adrift from the Trump Team she doesn't even have that to fallback on. Maybe a career in far right TV beckons.

Windmill100000 · 23-11-2020 11:11AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Watching her part of the presser from last week again and listening to her voice continually break i think its only dawning on her as she says everything what she actually is doing, deep down she knows she has no evidence to support any of what she was claiming its just her hope that shes right is whats driving her through the whole thing, but at the same time her legal brain is probably gradually comprehending shes libeling a lot of people and companies the further she goes down the rabbit hole.

I absolutely agree. She thought if she threw around the accusations enough some proof, however minuscule, would be found to say Trump was robbed.

Anyone else imagine Trump spends his days screaming "goddamit, find me the proof"

jmayo · 23-11-2020 12:14PM

Inquitus wrote: »

I am not an expert in US law, far from it, but surely if cases are dismissed in lower courts that doesn't provide a route to the SCOTUS for further judgements, they have not lost these cases after all, the cases have been dismissed for being frivolous and lacking in any sort of evidence?

Don't worry it seems most of Trumps legal team aren't either, because they have failed to notice that hearsay is not admissible evidence in court.

And by the looks of it they have used My Cousin Vinny as basis for their knowledge of the legal system.

I am waiting for them to cite Matlock or Ally McBeal when they get really serious.

Inquitus · 23-11-2020 02:46PM

jmayo wrote: »

Don't worry it seems most of Trumps legal team aren't either, because they have failed to notice that hearsay is not admissible evidence in court.

And by the looks of it they have used My Cousin Vinny as basis for their knowledge of the legal system.

I am waiting for them to cite Matlock or Ally McBeal when they get really serious.

Has any reputable publication charted a path for any of these cases to end up at least being considered for consideration by the SCOTUS?

Quin_Dub · 23-11-2020 02:52PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Has any reputable publication charted a path for any of these cases to end up at least being considered for consideration by the SCOTUS?

Short answer - No.

Mainly because none of the cases thus far have been dismissed on a point of law , they have been dismissed for a resounding lack of evidence.

It's not like any Judge has said - "OK , you've shown loads of evidence of scenario X , but I disagree that this meets the required standard for Law Y to apply here, case dismissed"

They've all said variations of "You have failed to show the sufficient evidence that X has occurred , case dismissed"

It's really only in the case of the former where something *might* be looked at by SCOTUS.

froog · 23-11-2020 02:56PM

there is also the possibility that powell did something highly illegal which they found out and they rushed to cut all ties with her.

serfboard · 23-11-2020 03:46PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

They've all said variations of "You have failed to show the sufficient evidence that X has occurred , case dismissed"

And plenty of them have said "You have failed to show any evidence".

ancapailldorcha · 23-11-2020 05:12PM

Mod: Please do not dump links here. Posts removed.

Seanachai · 23-11-2020 05:16PM

An article by By Dr Jonathan Turley, Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University and no fan of Trump,

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/527000-trumps-death-star-strategy-forcing-a-fight-over-states-electors

Inquitus · 23-11-2020 06:29PM

Georgia Certifies its Biden Electors, doors are rapidly closing for Trump now, that's 16 EC Votes that he likely has no further path to overturning!

https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1330918754633605126?s=20

check_six · 23-11-2020 07:03PM

froog wrote: »

there is also the possibility that powell did something highly illegal which they found out and they rushed to cut all ties with her.

Hmm, ordinarily this would make sense.

I feel, given their usual modus operandi, that it could have been an attempt to do something within the bounds of the law and/or morality that sunk her.

TomOnBoard · 23-11-2020 07:06PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Georgia Certifies its Biden Electors, doors are rapidly closing for Trump now, that's 16 EC Votes that he likely has no further path to overturning!

https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1330918754633605126?s=20

Oh, he's trying to overturn! The latest ploy is yet another recount, this one they're wanting signatures matched to ballots! which is a physical impossibility, as signatures on envelopes are removed from the ballots once matched, and discarded. There is NO way to match them back up at this stage... And they know that! Its all about being able to say later that they asked for the match and didn't get it, so "There's Fraud"! The Sidney Powell angle is still focused on GA, crazy though her conspiracy theory is.

The meat today is in whether PA certifies or goes to deadlock. At the moment, its assumed both Dems will vote to certify and one Rep won't. If the second Rep refuses to certify, another ****show begins!

when this thread was titled Judgement Day(s) it was very prescient! Perhaps it needs to be renamed Judgement Weeks....

Inquitus · 23-11-2020 07:27PM

Trump's legal team granted leave to appeal the PA decision by Brann yesterday, they have until 4pm today to file to 3rd Circuit Court. This doesn't mean they will have any additional success mind!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/3rd-circuit-grants-trump-campaign-motion-for-expedited-review

Foxtrol · 23-11-2020 07:55PM

Looks like Michigan will be certified today and another avenue closed (it was always going to be certified but it could have been dragged out longer).

The word on the ground changed a lot and today it was whether it would be certified 3-1 or 4-0. The swing GOP vote came in and stated it was their duty to certify and then got them to open the floor up for public input that included respected GOP people that said it must be done.

https://twitter.com/TimAlberta/status/1330940255223091206

namloc1980 · 23-11-2020 08:21PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Looks like Michigan will be certified today and another avenue closed (it was always going to be certified but it could have been dragged out longer).

The word on the ground changed a lot and today it was whether it would be certified 3-1 or 4-0. The swing GOP vote came in and stated it was their duty to certify and then got them to open the floor up for public input that included respected GOP people that said it must be done.

https://twitter.com/TimAlberta/status/1330940255223091206

It's live on YouTube. Already over an hour in and the two Republicans are dragging their feet. Won't let a vote happen until then hear from "witnesses". They think they are in court or something.

TomOnBoard · 23-11-2020 08:27PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's live on YouTube. Already over an hour in and the two Republicans are dragging their feet. Won't let a vote happen until then hear from "witnesses". They think they are in court or something.

Yer man Shinkle looks like he's gonna use the fact that the Detroit City Clerk Winfrey did not make herself available as a 'critical witness' to drag his feet further.

On a seperate but related note, one of the positive by-products of Covid is the extent to which people can get to see the behind the scenes stuff on Zoom- nothing like seeing how the sausage is made!!

Timberrrrrrrr · 23-11-2020 08:28PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Yer man Shinkle looks like he's gonna use the fact that the Detroit City Clerk Winfrey did not make herself available as a 'critical witness' to drag his feet further.

I'm thinking that's why they have called recess, so someone can get her online.

TomOnBoard · 23-11-2020 08:37PM

Cox from the MI GOP on now... oooh! They were awful 'disrespectful' to our Republican watchers and monitors in Wayne County. So, we need another investigation coz they were mean to us...

namloc1980 · 23-11-2020 08:41PM

These Republicans are pathetic.

TomOnBoard · 23-11-2020 08:53PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

These Republicans are pathetic.

Van Langevelde (Rep) is pushing back fairly hard against the notion they must adjourn and/or refuse to certify.

Winfrey on now... called in from a medical emergency she is dealing with. She is spitting fire...

Timberrrrrrrr · 23-11-2020 09:03PM

Biden attorney up next, will Rudi be on later as a Trump representative ?

TomOnBoard · 23-11-2020 09:44PM

We give out a lot about broadband in Irl... but the number of people on that Zoom call who sound like they're using a pair of tin cans joined by string to communicate in unbelievable.. Comms infrastructure in Michigan is not great!

That said, the message is coming across quite clearly that the Rep strategy is still to get the Wayne County (City of Detroit- 80% black) vote nullified! It is so obvious that its painful... Voter Suppression courtesy of the 2020 GOP. This time, they failed to prevent ppl from voting, so now they want to prevent those votes from being counted.

And the poisonous loathing that seems endemic in the politics of that place is palpable. Eye opening to see!

namloc1980 · 23-11-2020 10:04PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

We give out a lot about broadband in Irl... but the number of people on that Zoom call who sound like they're using a pair of tin cans joined by string to communicate in unbelievable.. Comms infrastructure in Michigan is not great!

That said, the message is coming across quite clearly that the Rep strategy is still to get the Wayne County (City of Detroit- 80% black) vote nullified! It is so obvious that its painful... Voter Suppression courtesy of the 2020 GOP. This time, they failed to prevent ppl from voting, so now they want to prevent those votes from being counted.

And the poisonous loathing that seems endemic in the politics of that place is palpable. Eye opening to see!

The thing is, the result in Detroit was almost exactly the same in this election as it was in 2016. 67%-30% against Trump. No statistical anomalies.

hollypink · 23-11-2020 10:07PM

According to Twitter there are 500 people waiting to speak and they are allocating them 1.5 to 2 mins each! They will never get around to voting at this rate.

namloc1980 · 23-11-2020 10:08PM

hollypink wrote: »

According to Twitter there are 500 people waiting to speak and they are allocating them 1.5 to 2 mins each! They will never get around to voting at this rate.

I do like the fact that citizens can get directly involved in these proceedings. But it'll take them hours to get through them all.

US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

Comments