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2020 All Ireland Senior Football Championship MOD NOTE POST #1

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  • #1702
    Cavan_King
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    vetinari wrote: »
    That's true. It's more the idea of having an extended championship format is daft when Dublin are so dominant. Last year it devalued everything before the semi finals as there was no hope they would be knocked out. At least this year with straight knockout there's the chance they could have a horrific off day and go out.

    I agree. The knockout format has been exciting this year because normally by now you'd have the likes of Tyrone just returning through the qualifiers.

    I'd love to see an open draw format. I think an opportunity was missed this year.


  • #1703
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The provincial championships will need to be prized from the cold dead hands of the councils. They couldn’t be seen to even allow one year without them.


  • #1704
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Roots 2020 wrote: »
    Also I was disappointed with Meath. From the off they were fearful and never took the game on.

    Meath have a 200,000 pop, Kildare 220,000 population. They are predominantly football counties. If Mayo, 130,000 population and Donegal 160,000 pop can be competitive surely the two Leinster counties can.

    I was down over Laois last weekend but we have a population of 86,000 and the county is split down the middle between hurling and football. Offaly, Carlow, Westmeath are similar. But you would expect more from Kildare and Meath.

    Problem with looking at population is that for a satellite county like Meath lot of the 200k would consider themselves Dubs and end up playing for Dublin.


  • #1705
    largepants
    Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭largepants


    Roots 2020 wrote: »
    Also I was disappointed with Meath. From the off they were fearful and never took the game on.

    Meath have a 200,000 pop, Kildare 220,000 population. They are predominantly football counties. If Mayo, 130,000 population and Donegal 160,000 pop can be competitive surely the two Leinster counties can.

    I was down over Laois last weekend but we have a population of 86,000 and the county is split down the middle between hurling and football. Offaly, Carlow, Westmeath are similar. But you would expect more from Kildare and Meath.

    Donegal and Mayo have a chance of winning provincial titles. Kildare or Meath don't. Why would a player from those counties be bothered with it?


  • #1706
    Enquiring
    Registered Users Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    munster87 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/SeanMcGoldrick1/status/1093268753725431808?s=20

    Kerry and Mayo?

    Yes, you are showing one area of funding. You've omitted what Kerry and Mayo spend yearly on team costs and what income they gain from sponsorship/donors.


  • #1707
    Enquiring
    Registered Users Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    largepants wrote: »
    Donegal and Mayo have a chance of winning provincial titles. Kildare or Meath don't. Why would a player from those counties be bothered with it?

    It's happening elsewhere as well but it would be interesting to see a study in the amount of players opting out of inter county football amongst Leinster counties. It's a huge amount.


  • #1708
    doc_17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,029 ✭✭✭doc_17


    The referees’ interpretation of the mark seems to be that if it’s kicked from outside the 45 and caught, it’s a mark. No matter what distance it covers.


  • #1709
    cave_dweller
    Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭cave_dweller


    Based on Tipp's performance vs Limerick I'd give them very little chance here and yet... Cork's game plan vs Kerry won't do. They will have to come as the attacking team and will that suit them? Completely different game for Cork and it will be a battle. I'd favor Cork based on 1) performance vs Dublin last year which was quite good and 2) the amount of goal chances Tipp gave Limerick.

    It'll be interesting to see how the Tipp players deal with bloody sunday talk etc. I don't think it'll hamper them but they might find another gear for this one game. It would be nice to see Sweeney, Quinlivan etc get a reward for years of dedication to Tipp football.


  • #1710
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    Problem with looking at population is that for a satellite county like Meath lot of the 200k would consider themselves Dubs and end up playing for Dublin.

    Dean Rock is from Meath for example


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  • #1711
    Akesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 315 ✭✭Akesh


    Enquiring wrote: »
    It's happening elsewhere as well but it would be interesting to see a study in the amount of players opting out of inter county football amongst Leinster counties. It's a huge amount.

    Yeah it's massive. It doesn't help that Dublin are a completely professional outfit in comparison to the rest of the country. Here in the Midlands a lot of kids are turning to hurling. Football will be effectively dead within a generation if the GAA don't stop the rot in Leinster.

    It's like Bayern Munich versus Bluebell United.


  • #1712
    dobman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,538 ✭✭✭dobman88


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Dean Rock is from Meath for example

    What? Where in Meath is he from? I know hes not from Ballymun even though he plays for them but didnt think he was a Meath man.

    Edit, his Wikipedia says Garristown. That's in Dublin, though close to the border near Ashbourne.


  • #1713
    elefant
    Registered Users Posts: 4,672 ✭✭✭elefant


    doc_17 wrote: »
    The referees’ interpretation of the mark seems to be that if it’s kicked from outside the 45 and caught, it’s a mark. No matter what distance it covers.

    It's a terrible rule. The vast majority of marks taken are from gammy little kick passes caught just inside the 45. And then the players are given as much time as they please to line up a free kick, even to the extent where referees allow them to go through a full routine of bounces and solos. It adds nothing to the sport.


  • #1714
    Slattsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Dean Rock is from Meath for example

    Sweet Jesus.


  • #1715
    Slattsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    elefant wrote: »
    It's a terrible rule. The vast majority of marks taken are from gammy little kick passes caught just inside the 45. And then the players are given as much time as they please to line up a free kick, even to the extent where referees allow them to go through a full routine of bounces and solos. It adds nothing to the sport.

    Agreed. I think most people were completely against it. Strange thing to bring in.


  • #1716
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Roots 2020 wrote: »
    Laois have played Dublin 35 times in championship. NEVER in Portlaoise. A few times in Athy and Tullamore. Nowlan park 2016.

    Now that's a terrible indictment on the GAA. There's a historic bias at play. .

    As posted previously, since 1974 up to time Leinster council moved all Dublin football games to Croke Park, Of 73 Dublin games in Leinster, 35 were outside of Croke Park and they lost one. To Laois as a matter of interest. In Tullamore.

    19 of the games before the decision were finals in Croke Park. Those and earlier round games were mostly against Meath who decided in early 1980s to play their homme games in Croke Park. Most of Dublin's defeats in championship were in Croke Park, a good few times against Meath, twice against Offaly and once against Kildare.

    It was the other 11 counties who approved the moving of Dublin games. nothing to do with Dublin.


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  • #1717
    Girly Gal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    Roots 2020 wrote: »
    Also I was disappointed with Meath. From the off they were fearful and never took the game on.

    Meath have a 200,000 pop, Kildare 220,000 population. They are predominantly football counties. If Mayo, 130,000 population and Donegal 160,000 pop can be competitive surely the two Leinster counties can.

    I was down over Laois last weekend but we have a population of 86,000 and the county is split down the middle between hurling and football. Offaly, Carlow, Westmeath are similar. But you would expect more from Kildare and Meath.

    Meath and Kildare really have no excuse, they are footballing counties with decent size populations and very little hurling. Neither of them have won a Leinster title in almost 20 years (not counting Meath's 2010 Leinster as Louth were absolutely robbed of that title). It's really only in the last 10 years that Dublin have become a force and counties outside of Leinster have at least been more competitive in that time than Meath and Kildare. Neither of them have even closed the gap, if anything the gap is getting bigger, in the last decade both counties have struggled to stay in division 1 for any length of time and have even struggled to stay in division 2 at times. They both really should be playing at a higher level.


  • #1718
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    elefant wrote: »
    It's a terrible rule. The vast majority of marks taken are from gammy little kick passes caught just inside the 45. And then the players are given as much time as they please to line up a free kick, even to the extent where referees allow them to go through a full routine of bounces and solos. It adds nothing to the sport.

    Very frustrating to watch. Even last night, promising Dublin attacks were stalled by a player claiming the mark rather than throwing out a pass. It adds nothing to the game, and allows dominant teams to slow the play up.


  • #1719
    Lundstram
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Lundstram


    Girly Gal wrote: »
    Meath and Kildare really have no excuse, they are footballing counties with decent size populations and very little hurling. Neither of them have won a Leinster title in almost 20 years (not counting Meath's 2010 Leinster as Louth were absolutely robbed of that title). It's really only in the last 10 years that Dublin have become a force and counties outside of Leinster have at least been more competitive in that time than Meath and Kildare. Neither of them have even closed the gap, if anything the gap is getting bigger, in the last decade both counties have struggled to stay in division 1 for any length of time and have even struggled to stay in division 2 at times. They both really should be playing at a higher level.
    There's a €14 million over 5 years sized excuse. Kildare and Meath got about €2 million between them. Not about the money though, or that's what the Dubs will tell you anyway.

    Sorry we don't get to play all our games at home. Suppose thats our fault too? Remember Kildare had to fight tooth and nail just to get a qualifier against Mayo played in Newbridge a few years ago. Sorry about wanting to play a home draw.. you know.. at home.

    Also sorry our county doesn't have over 1,000,000 people to pick from, 220,000 isn't much in comparison and I'd guess 20% of that are Dubs. Sorry again.

    It's all Kildare's and Meath's fault. Sorry.


  • #1720
    WesternZulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,978 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    Slattsy wrote: »
    Agreed. I think most people were completely against it. Strange thing to bring in.

    It smacks of a few auld lads who thought that bringing in the mark would lead back to the days of catch and kick football. Most of them seem to have forgotten that such football was dreadful to watch.

    That was never going to happen in the modern game where possession is key. What happens instead is uncontested passes into the chest which brings nothing to the game and only serves to slow it down.


  • #1721
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,293 ✭✭✭threeball


    The GAA need to sit up and take notice at this stage. Football is dying at IC level. Crowds are falling, die hard GAA people aren't even bothered to watch most games any more. Between blanket defences, teams soloing across the 45 for 3 or 4 minutes and the amount of one sided games its time they had a proper root and branch review of the game and decide if they want to save it and what the plan to do so is.


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  • #1722
    Hammer Archer
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    Girly Gal wrote: »
    Meath and Kildare really have no excuse, they are footballing counties with decent size populations and very little hurling. Neither of them have won a Leinster title in almost 20 years (not counting Meath's 2010 Leinster as Louth were absolutely robbed of that title). It's really only in the last 10 years that Dublin have become a force and counties outside of Leinster have at least been more competitive in that time than Meath and Kildare. Neither of them have even closed the gap, if anything the gap is getting bigger, in the last decade both counties have struggled to stay in division 1 for any length of time and have even struggled to stay in division 2 at times. They both really should be playing at a higher level.
    Meath and Kildare both have sizable hurling pockets. And, as mentioned, the rise in populations are mostly due to Dublin families moving in.
    And, like it or not, Meath won the Leinster title in 2010 :)
    As I mentioned previously, if Dublin were in any other province, the same situation would occur. Nigh on impossible to keep younger players interested after minor when you have the behemoth that is Dublin awaiting you in the province every year meaning there is zero chance of silverware.


  • #1723
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,554 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Akesh wrote: »
    Yeah it's massive. It doesn't help that Dublin are a completely professional outfit in comparison to the rest of the country. Here in the Midlands a lot of kids are turning to hurling. Football will be effectively dead within a generation if the GAA don't stop the rot in Leinster.

    It's like Bayern Munich versus Bluebell United.

    Well those counties let hurling rot so football could thrive so it's only fair game they also do nothing if it swings the other way


  • #1724
    Girly Gal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    Lundstram wrote: »
    There's a €14 million over 5 years sized excuse. Kildare and Meath got about €2 million between them. Not about the money though, or that's what the Dubs will tell you anyway.

    Sorry we don't get to play all our games at home. Suppose thats our fault too? Remember Kildare had to fight tooth and nail just to get a qualifier against Mayo played in Newbridge a few years ago. Sorry about wanting to play a home draw.. you know.. at home.

    Also sorry our county doesn't have over 1,000,000 people to pick from, 220,000 isn't much in comparison and I'd guess 20% of that are Dubs. Sorry again.

    It's all Kildare's and Meath's fault. Sorry.

    Not expecting them to beat Dublin, but, they should be more competitive.other counties with similar resources perform better in the all Ireland series than Meath and Kildare have in the last decade. Regarding home matches of course Meath and Kildare should play their home matches at home and Dublin should play outside of Croke Park, but, it seems the other Leinster counties agreed to this, so that's ye're own fault.


  • #1725
    rebel girl 15
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 15,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭rebel girl 15


    MOD NOTE

    Changes in the GAA has it own thread, it is even stickied so no one can miss it. Any replies that are regarding changing etc after this post have been moved over there.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057890333&page=56

    Take the discussion about money etc there

    Munster SFC Final: Cork v Tipperary at 1.30pm

    Ulster SFC Final: Cavan v Donegal at 4.30pm


  • #1726
    DVDM93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,144 ✭✭✭DVDM93


    https://twitter.com/ballsdotie/status/1330490094743064576?s=20


  • #1727
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Nice conditions down the Páirc.

    Tip playing O'Riordain, a but of a gamble but if he has an impact it could well make a difference.


  • #1728
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    Nice conditions down the Páirc.

    Tip playing O'Riordain, a but of a gamble but if he has an impact it could well make a difference.

    For all the past pitch and location problems, it’s a great arena for a game.


  • #1729
    DVDM93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,144 ✭✭✭DVDM93


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    Nice conditions down the Páirc.

    Tip playing O'Riordain, a but of a gamble but if he has an impact it could well make a difference.

    That pitch looks immaculate.

    Fair play.

    It would have taken some amount of rain the last few weeks.

    Tipp kits are lovely.


  • #1730
    Roots 2020
    Closed Accounts Posts: 478 ✭✭Roots 2020


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    Problem with looking at population is that for a satellite county like Meath lot of the 200k would consider themselves Dubs and end up playing for Dublin.

    Knock 25% off the populations of Kildare and Meath and they are still big counties. There are plenty of commuting Dubs in both counties since 2000 who have adult children now playing in Meath and Kildare.

    For a lot of the match Meath didn't lay a glove on Dublin. That's unacceptable. 15-20 fit young men should do better than that.


  • #1731
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,293 ✭✭✭threeball


    DVDM93 wrote: »
    That pitch looks immaculate.

    Fair play.

    It would have taken some amount of rain the last few weeks.

    No reason that we shouldn't have more pitches to that standard. Theres more meas in putting in extra terrace or seats than putting in a decent pitch. Theres no pitch in Connaught or Ulster to that standard.


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  • #1732
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,685 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Massive day for Cork football, we really really need this. Buzzing, up the rebels


  • #1733
    DVDM93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,144 ✭✭✭DVDM93


    Best of luck both teams.

    It's great to see a Munster Football Final without Kerry involved.

    Nothing against Kerry, just a nice change.


  • #1734
    dobman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,538 ✭✭✭dobman88


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Massive day for Cork football, we really really need this. Buzzing, up the rebels

    Will Powter missing have as much of an impact as is being made out? I dont know enough about him but is he that important to cork? Bit of a gamble with Connolly starting imo, has a tendency to take some wild swings but is also capable of some magic so will have to see how it goes.

    Expecting a good game anyway.


  • #1735
    Roots 2020
    Closed Accounts Posts: 478 ✭✭Roots 2020


    I'd like to see Tipp win. Yet I'd like to see Cork emerge as a real force!

    Must be some motivation for Tipp putting that jersey on..


  • #1736
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    DVDM93 wrote: »
    That pitch looks immaculate.

    Fair play.

    Tipp kits are lovely.
    It would have taken some amount of rain the last few weeks.

    The Jersey is actually quite nice in fairness.

    Tomás even said it was second only to Croker.

    I hope the game is actually a good one. Conditions are good as you could hope for really and both teams will feel a win is capable. Obviously Cork are favourites but Tip didn't just come to make up the numbers. I'm expecting a close enough game but Cork and in particular the full forward line shoukd hopefully prevail.


  • #1737
    jive
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,762 ✭✭✭jive


    Is it just me or is Cork -6 with the bookies a bit too big? I'd have been expecting -3 at most, should be a close game?


  • #1738
    fyfe79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,211 ✭✭✭fyfe79


    Tipp jersey is fantastic - hopefully spur the lads on that little bit more.


  • #1739
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    dobman88 wrote: »
    Will Powter missing have as much of an impact as is being made out? I dont know enough about him but is he that important to cork? Bit of a gamble with Connolly starting imo, has a tendency to take some wild swings but is also capable of some magic so will have to see how it goes.

    Expecting a good game anyway.

    As mentioned, 5 of the Cork defenders are 22 and under. Powter has lot of experience and a real engine too. A big loss, no doubt.


  • #1740
    pipelaser
    Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭pipelaser


    Slattsy wrote: »
    Sweet Jesus.

    I'm a few fields away from where Dean Rock's family home is. It's close to the boarder, but in Meath.


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  • #1741
    castletownman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,558 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    O'Rourke has said that both O'Riordan and Quinlivan wouldn't be that too well known.

    I'm fairly sure any football follower would know of the two, particularly considering the hype around O'Riordan allowed to play.

    Talk about being dismissive of the smaller counties.


  • #1742
    dobman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,538 ✭✭✭dobman88


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    As mentioned, 5 of the Cork defenders are 22 and under. Powter has lot of experience and a real engine too. A big loss, no doubt.

    As mentioned, I dont know much about him. Seems things might be closer than the -6 bookies are quoting then. Ty


  • #1743
    KIB4Life
    Registered Users Posts: 212 ✭✭KIB4Life


    Did Colm O’Rourke just say that Sweeney and Quinlivan aren’t that well known. What planet is he on anyone that talks about the Tipp football team, Sweeney and Quinlivan are the first two players that people mention. The RTÉ analysis is gone to the dogs in the past few years and that statement just confirms it for me.


  • #1744
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Hopefully the Tipp boys can do the Jersey proud.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • #1745
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    DVDM93 wrote: »
    Best of luck both teams.

    It's great to see a Munster Football Final without Kerry involved.

    Nothing against Kerry, just a nice change.

    I agree with your sentiment. I would go further. :)


  • #1746
    scrubs33
    Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭scrubs33


    KIB4Life wrote: »
    Did Colm O’Rourke just say that Sweeney and Quinlivan aren’t that well known. What planet is he on anyone that talks about the Tipp football team, Sweeney and Quinlivan are the first two players that people mention. The RTÉ analysis is gone to the dogs in the past few years and that statement just confirms it for me.

    If that’s his level of preparation and analysis I’d hate to be working in his school. He’d know the top 5 or 6 teachers but everyone else isn’t that well known😀


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  • #1747
    castletownman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,558 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    KIB4Life wrote: »
    Did Colm O’Rourke just say that Sweeney and Quinlivan aren’t that well known. What planet is he on anyone that talks about the Tipp football team, Sweeney and Quinlivan are the first two players that people mention. The RTÉ analysis is gone to the dogs in the past few years and that statement just confirms it for me.

    It's not like there are many household names on his beloved Meath team at the moment either.


  • #1748
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Tip settled very quickly, 2 oints up. Cork a bit loose in defence.


  • #1749
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    dobman88 wrote: »
    As mentioned, I dont know much about him. Seems things might be closer than the -6 bookies are quoting then. Ty

    Wasn't a dig. Merely that it was just mentioned in commentary


  • #1750
    dobman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,538 ✭✭✭dobman88


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    Wasn't a dig. Merely that it was just mentioned in commentary

    I've just flicked on. Didnt see the start of it so missed anything that was spoken about.


  • #1751
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Ref giving Cork everything so far.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



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