2020 All Ireland Senior Football Championship MOD NOTE POST #1

Coillte_Bhoy

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Sky use it and will have the finals.

Ya and it works well imo, i much prefer their coverage anyway

Coillte_Bhoy

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

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That in itself would be a great bonus to the players and families.

But I can't see it happening, there is zero evidence of it even being considered.

I am fairly certain there will be a few hundred at least at the finals

Euphoriasean

Rockfish wrote: »

I hear there's a possibility of up to 5,000 being allowed at the AI finals providing Covid numbers done drastically worsen

Imagine what those tickets will be going for on the black market.

beggars_bush

Fann Linn wrote: »

It'll be 5000 of the greatest and finest of society, ie Michael D, TDs, Senators, top civil servants, business leaders, the clergy, a few ambassadors, those RTE journalists that weren't at a certain party. In a nutshell, the same ones that will get the vaccine first, the same ones that will get the lifeboats on a sinking ship first and the same ones who are unlikely to be seen at a GAA league match in early February.

I'd expect healthcare workers and other frontline workers to get vaccine first

Fr Tod Umptious

Euphoriasean wrote: »

Imagine what those tickets will be going for on the black market.

They would not even make the black market.
5k is a tiny number, very easy for the GAA to keep tabs on and any that were seen for sale unauthorized would very quickly be cancelled and the offending person/club would suffer a serious reprimand.

Coillte_Bhoy

beggars_bush wrote: »

I'd expect healthcare workers and other frontline workers to get vaccine first

Of course they will, the idea that Tds and senators will get preferential treatment is just populist bs

pgj2015

is the mark a temporary experiment or is it here to stay? im not sure about it, its a dramatic change to the game. I wouldn't really be a fan of it.

BonnieSituation

The mark is awful.

Mickey Harte made a great point about it on BBC at the weekend, it was brought it to encourage high fielding, but in order to reduce the risk and the contest, a lot of marks are being caught low and sometimes on the slide, so the apparent solution to the apparent problem hasn't had any effect at all of note except slowing the game down.

BonnieSituation

BonnieSituation wrote: »

The mark is awful.

Mickey Harte made a great point about it on BBC at the weekend, it was brought it to encourage hugh fielding, but in order to reduce the risk and the contest, a lot of marks are being caught low and sometimes on the slide, so the apparent solution to the apparent problem hasn't had any effect at all of note except slowing the game down.

Should have been from outside 45 to inside 14. Takes all the interpretation of distance out of it for the referee too.

threeball

pgj2015 wrote: »

is the mark a temporary experiment or is it here to stay? im not sure about it, its a dramatic change to the game. I wouldn't really be a fan of it.

3yr experiment but its rubbish. Be better off extend the D out 5m further and complete it to the end line. Any points out side the D would be worth 2pts. Anything inside worth 1pt. Defences would have to push out creating more space inside. Black card offences inside the D would be a penalty. Outside the D brought to the edge and be worth 2 if kicked. Sort out a lot of the crap we've seen the last few years. Teams that take risks will get rewarded too.

DVDM93

Louth GAA appoint Mickey Harte as Senior Football Manager.

https://twitter.com/louthgaa/status/1330969061593853960?s=20

BonnieSituation

Wow.

pgj2015

threeball wrote: »

3yr experiment but its rubbish. Be better off extend the D out 5m further and complete it to the end line. Any points out side the D would be worth 2pts. Anything inside worth 1pt. Defences would have to push out creating more space inside. Black card offences inside the D would be a penalty. Outside the D brought to the edge and be worth 2 if kicked. Sort out a lot of the crap we've seen the last few years. Teams that take risks will get rewarded too.

Interesting points. one thing I noticed this year is players get within range to easily shoot for a point but instead go backwards or hand pass it sideways. it seems like its just the fear of missing and giving away possession.
also the movement of the full forwards is non existent when their team mates have the ball and are attacking. if teams defend together, why dont they attack together? 1 or 2 forwards in dangerous positions against the oppositions whole defence.

ChikiChiki

That was a super quick appointment. Tough gig in an absolutely ****e uncompetitive Leinster championship.

dobman88

A serious appointment for Louth. Best of luck to him. He doesnt hang around

km79

Wow

Gathered from listening to him he wasn’t done but didn’t see that coming.

PTH2009

DVDM93 wrote: »

Louth GAA appoint Mickey Harte as Senior Football Manager.

https://twitter.com/louthgaa/status/1330969061593853960?s=20

Knew he would go to a smaller county

Fair play too him, not sure he will bring cup success but he might raise the profile of the game

Always_Running

DVDM93 wrote: »

Louth GAA appoint Mickey Harte as Senior Football Manager.

https://twitter.com/louthgaa/status/1330969061593853960?s=20

A shock appointment if ever there was one. I suppose much less pressure to exceed at Louth than Tyrone. He's in no mood to retire fair play to him.

BonnieSituation

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Should have been from outside 45 to inside 14. Takes all the interpretation of distance out of it for the referee too.

Yeah, but it also should be gotten rid of. It's not solving any problems. We just can't seem to let the game evolve. There's also no CBA ever done on any of these changes I feel.

threeball wrote: »

3yr experiment but its rubbish. Be better off extend the D out 5m further and complete it to the end line. Any points out side the D would be worth 2pts. Anything inside worth 1pt. Defences would have to push out creating more space inside. Black card offences inside the D would be a penalty. Outside the D brought to the edge and be worth 2 if kicked. Sort out a lot of the crap we've seen the last few years. Teams that take risks will get rewarded too.

If you over-reward point scoring from distance you end up nullifying the worth of goals and you'd have a situation as in basketball where almost all scoring will occur from the 2pt line. You would also have teams pushing out and creating a wall thus we will have in essence a variety of offside line that will have a game turned on its head from the free flowing game it is now to something akin to rugby league.

So to my mind it will make the game a sport between the D's and a very static one at that.

You basically disincentive patient build up (a la Dublin) and reward potshots (a la Galway), and that's hardly a good thing.

We need to get rid of the black card. It's also a nonsense.

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All proposals we see always seem to take the proposal in isolation without considering the effect it will have elsewhere in the game.

threeball

pgj2015 wrote: »

Interesting points. one thing I noticed this year is players get within range to easily shoot for a point but instead go backwards or hand pass it sideways. it seems like its just the fear of missing and giving away possession.
also the movement of the full forwards is non existent when their team mates have the ball and are attacking. if teams defend together, why dont they attack together? 1 or 2 forwards in dangerous positions against the oppositions whole defence.

Its a fear of missing. Everyone wants to get in for the sure thing. Theres very few outstanding points like you'd see years ago. The percentage shot is always the shot to take which stagnates creativity and risk. 2pts would see more shooting from 45m out meaning defences have to push out. The space created inside would leave more goal opportunities and the other team would have to leave defenders back because a turnover at the 45 with a block would leave you wide open at the back.

elefant

threeball wrote: »

3yr experiment but its rubbish. Be better off extend the D out 5m further and complete it to the end line. Any points out side the D would be worth 2pts. Anything inside worth 1pt. Defences would have to push out creating more space inside. Black card offences inside the D would be a penalty. Outside the D brought to the edge and be worth 2 if kicked. Sort out a lot of the crap we've seen the last few years. Teams that take risks will get rewarded too.

Interesting ideas, and ones that don't just make defending easier as most other suggestions do.

It'd be a massive change to the game so probably a hard sell, but would be fascinating to see at least trialed.

threeball

elefant wrote: »

Interesting ideas, and ones that don't just make defending easier as most other suggestions do.

It'd be a massive change to the game so probably a hard sell, but would be fascinating to see at least trialed.

I think it would bring us back closer to our tradional game and dispense with the marks and other such rubbish. Its worth a run in the Siegerson to see how it affects the game. That competition sees teams setting up similar to IC. More long range point scoring would be welcome for definite.

FrancieBrady

Harte out to prove beyond doubt he is the best manager of modern times.

pgj2015

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Harte out to prove beyond doubt he is the best manager of modern times.

He should have headed to Kilkenny if he wanted to do that.

DVDM93

Harte must have came across the highlights of the 2010 Leinster Final & decided he wanted to put things right.

Dublin best enjoy their 10th Leinster title in a row because there won't be an 11th.

He hasn’t a huge pile to do to make them number 2 in the province anyway.

Chalk McHugh

Can't understand Micky Harte going straight back into management straight away with Louth. Thought a bit of a rest to recharge the batteries would have been welcome to him and much needed.

BonnieSituation

threeball wrote: »

Its a fear of missing. Everyone wants to get in for the sure thing. Theres very few outstanding points like you'd see years ago. The percentage shot is always the shot to take which stagnates creativity and risk. 2pts would see more shooting from 45m out meaning defences have to push out. The space created inside would leave more goal opportunities and the other team would have to leave defenders back because a turnover at the 45 with a block would leave you wide open at the back.

I'm finding it hard to understand why you are rewarding potshots from distance?

Can you see any unintended consequences from your proposal? This is key to any proposal.

BonnieSituation

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Can't understand Micky Harte going straight back into management straight away with Louth. Thought a bit of a rest to recharge the batteries would have been welcome to him and much needed.

He'll be doing nothing til January.

That being said, the man is obsessed with football. He'll be like O'Dwyer.

FrancieBrady

pgj2015 wrote: »

He should have headed to Kilkenny if he wanted to do that.

Gavin can take them on. See how he does. The Great Manager Play Off.

Chalk McHugh

BonnieSituation wrote: »

He'll be doing nothing til January.

That being said, the man is obsessed with football. He'll be like O'Dwyer.

He's obsessed alright. No offence to Louth but at least O Dwyer went to two strong Leinster counties who could compete for a Leinster championship. I suppose success is relative and getting Louth promoted in the league and take a scalp or two in Leinster would be a good return. I wish i had half the man's energy so hats off to him for spreading the gospel to the Wee county.

pgj2015

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Gavin can take them on. See how he does. The Great Manager Play Off.

It is great to see a manager like Harte going to a smaller GAA county like Louth, maybe more will do likewise and the championship might become more competitive. it is still just 15 against 15 at the end of the day.

threeball

pgj2015 wrote: »

It is great to see a manager like Harte going to a smaller GAA county like Louth, maybe more will do likewise and the championship might become more competitive. it is still just 15 against 15 at the end of the day.

He might take a scalp in Meath or Kildare but a provincial title is a pipe dream. League success and sticking one to meath can be the height of his ambition.

pgj2015

threeball wrote: »

He might take a scalp in Meath or Kildare but a provincial title is a pipe dream. League success and sticking one to meath can be the height of his ambition.

It will be interesting to see what happens. what are they going to do about Dublins dominance? move them to Ulster? have an open draw?

spurshero

pgj2015 wrote: »

It will be interesting to see what happens. what are they going to do about Dublins dominance? move them to Ulster? have an open draw?

Why would they move them to ulster so they can bate everybody up there by 20 instead is it

physioman

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

He's obsessed alright. No offence to Louth but at least O Dwyer went to two strong Leinster counties who could compete for a Leinster championship. I suppose success is relative and getting Louth promoted in the league and take a scalp or two in Leinster would be a good return. I wish i had half the man's energy so hats off to him for spreading the gospel to the Wee county.

I'd say it's nothing to do with money....

pgj2015

spurshero wrote: »

Why would they move them to ulster so they can bate everybody up there by 20 instead is it

There is at least 2 teams that would give them a game in Ulster.

seligehgit

physioman wrote: »

I'd say it's nothing to do with money....

I'd be of a far less cynical mindset.

The vacancy was there and Harte literally bleeds football.

I'd say if he could have stayed in the Tyrone hotseat until the day he dies he'd have remained in place.

Great admiration for his gra for gaelic football.

He could easily have taken the handy number as a pundit in the BBC but rather took on a massive challenge in the wee county.

kksaints

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Apart from the FAI Cup final as ahs been mentioned there will be no other big sporting matches for some time so i dont see the issue really.

There's Dundalk vs Arsenal in the Europa League on the 10th December in the Aviva also.

Fr Tod Umptious

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

They would not even make the black market.
5k is a tiny number, very easy for the GAA to keep tabs on and any that were seen for sale unauthorized would very quickly be cancelled and the offending person/club would suffer a serious reprimand.

All tickets should go to the squads to hand out as they see fit. Or any other county players from other teams that want them.

Always_Running

threeball wrote: »

He might take a scalp in Meath or Kildare but a provincial title is a pipe dream. League success and sticking one to meath can be the height of his ambition.

His objectives and ambition with Louth will be getting them back to Div 2 and perhaps winning the B All-Ireland.

PressRun

Interesting appointment. I see he'll be handling their U20s too. Big project. I'd imagine the aim is to move them up a division or two in the league and get them more competitive in Leinster both at senior and underage level. It's a good challenge.

Strumms

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If it's rolled out as a concession to the GAA, which is what the poster said I think, then there will be uproar and rightly so.

Make the announcement that it is for all sports events. It's not going to benefit the ordinary fan anyway.

The GAA have always operated with a self of entitlement, at every level. They’ll want the sponsors, and ‘good club men’ etc to be facilitated... they should be told to put a sock in it and if so much as a fan / observer is seen in the seats or a corporate box the game is stopped, a handful of Gardai can audit the set up before kickoff. A guest list to enter the stadium... say 50 players and officials a side...

Playing squad x 32

Medical x 6 (physios & doctor’s)

Coaches / selectors x 6

Misc x 6

threeball

Always_Running wrote: »

His objectives and ambition with Louth will be getting them back to Div 2 and perhaps winning the B All-Ireland.

Which would be a great achievement if he could do it. I think the B all ireland is more valuable than a provincial.

Fann Linn

pgj2015 wrote: »

There is at least 2 teams that would give them a game in Ulster.

You're not including Donegal in that pair are ye?

pgj2015

Fann Linn wrote: »

You're not including Donegal in that pair are ye?

I am.

Fann Linn

pgj2015 wrote: »

I am.

Right.

gormdubhgorm

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Can't understand Micky Harte going straight back into management straight away with Louth. Thought a bit of a rest to recharge the batteries would have been welcome to him and much needed.

BonnieSituation wrote: »

He'll be doing nothing til January.

That being said, the man is obsessed with football. He'll be like O'Dwyer.

PressRun wrote: »

Interesting appointment. I see he'll be handling their U20s too. Big project. I'd imagine the aim is to move them up a division or two in the league and get them more competitive in Leinster both at senior and underage level. It's a good challenge.

Ah come on lads someone like Val Andrews did not manage Louth and Cavan for the love of the game alone.

Nor did Micko manage Kildare, Laois and Wicklow for the love of the game alone.

None of youse are that naive!

A good offer was made I'd say. Why else would he go to Louth?

spurshero

pgj2015 wrote: »

I am.

A Donegal team that couldn’t beat a Cavan team that had 2 players black carded so played 20 mins with a man less . I’m hope I’m wrong for the good of the game but I will be amazed if Cavan are not beaten by at least a dozen points next week . How ya think Donegal would give Dublin a game I don’t know .