Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Thierry12 · 21-11-2020 07:55PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

What would you do, in you were in charge?

Level 3 with indoor dining

Let the hospitals get a bit busy

Vaccine is here in 3 weeks

If it gets too busy in hospital go to level 3 with no dining and it will die again all the time more and more are being vaccinated

Covid is slower than a one legged dog

You'd want monkeys in charge to let it catch up on you to overwhelm hospitals

eagle eye · 21-11-2020 07:55PM

blowitupref wrote:

Cases - 2682 Tests - 78665

3.4%, good to see a drop of .3%.

froog · 21-11-2020 07:58PM

AltGrp0 wrote: »

Yes, obviously I would not reference WHO guidelines without reading them first,
Here is the article in qustion Article D. (I cant post links yet)

"There is increasing evidence that people with existing chronic conditions or compromised immune
systems due to disability are at higher risk of death due to COVID-19. Chronic conditions may be
non-communicable diseases such as coronary artery disease, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
(COPD), and diabetes or disabilities. If the decedent had existing chronic conditions, such as these,
they should be reported in Part 2 of the medical certificate of cause of death. "

So you see the chronic "comorbidities" no matter how serious or terminal the condition is are reported as a secondary cause where covid is present or "suspected

Frame A: Medical data: Part 1 and 2
1
Report disease or condition
directly leading to death on line a
Report chain of events in due to
order (if applicable)
State the underlying cause on the
lowest used line
Cause of death Time interval from onset
to death
a Acute respiratory distress syndrome 2 days
b
Due to:
Pneumonia
10 days
c
Due to:
Suspected COVID-19
12 days
d
Due to:
2 Other significant conditions contributing to death (time
intervals can be included in brackets after the condition)
Coronary artery disease [5 years], Type 2 diabetes [14 Years], Chronic
obstructive pulmonary disease [8 years]

nope you have not read it. here it is, please educate yourself.

https://www.who.int/classifications/icd/Guidelines_Cause_of_Death_COVID-19.pdf?ua=1

2. DEFINITION FOR DEATHS DUE TO COVID-19
A death due to COVID-19 is defined for surveillance purposes as a death resulting from a clinically
compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative
cause of death that cannot be related to COVID disease (e.g. trauma). There should be no period of
complete recovery from COVID-19 between illness and death.
A death due to COVID-19 may not be attributed to another disease (e.g. cancer) and should be
counted independently of preexisting conditions that are suspected of triggering a severe course of
COVID-19.

Ficheall · 21-11-2020 08:02PM

AltGrp0 wrote: »

T Around half the alleged Irish covid deaths had chronic heart disease for example.

Don't almost half of older Irish people have cardiovascular disease anyway(I think?)?

So if you took, say, the number of road deaths in the same age group, about half of those allegedly killed by being run over by a bus would actually also have had heart disease?

spookwoman · 21-11-2020 08:04PM

AltGrp0 · 21-11-2020 08:06PM

froog wrote: »

nope you have not read it. here it is, please educate yourself.

https://www.who.int/classifications/icd/Guidelines_Cause_of_Death_COVID-19.pdf?ua=1

2. DEFINITION FOR DEATHS DUE TO COVID-19
A death due to COVID-19 is defined for surveillance purposes as a death resulting from a clinically
compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative
cause of death that cannot be related to COVID disease (e.g. trauma). There should be no period of
complete recovery from COVID-19 between illness and death.
A death due to COVID-19 may not be attributed to another disease (e.g. cancer) and should be
counted independently of preexisting conditions that are suspected of triggering a severe course of
COVID-19.

I just provided a direct quote from the document itself displaying a sample death certificate listing "suspected" covid and pneumonia as the c.o.d. in part 1
and chronic pulmonary disease and diabetes in part 2. This case is counted in the covid death statistics.. exactly as I stated originally.
I will leave it to others to make up their minds as you seem incapable of processing simple information.

froog · 21-11-2020 08:09PM

AltGrp0 wrote: »

I just provided a direct quote from the document itself displaying a sample death certificate listing "suspected" covid and pneumonia as the c.o.d. in part 1
and chronic pulmonary disease and diabetes in part 2. This case is counted in the covid death statistics.. exactly as I stated originally.
I will leave it to others to make up their minds as you seem incapable of processing simple information.

i gave you the exact definition from the WHO for what should be counted as a COVID death and you are ignoring it. why?

Widdensushi · 21-11-2020 08:15PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Level 3 with indoor dining

Let the hospitals get a bit busy

Vaccine is here in 3 weeks

If it gets too busy in hospital go to level 3 with no dining and it will die again all the time more and more are being vaccinated

Covid is slower than a one legged dog

You'd want monkeys in charge to let it catch up on you to overwhelm hospitals

Vaccine is available to how many in 3 weeks?

Russman · 21-11-2020 08:17PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Level 3 with indoor dining

Let the hospitals get a bit busy

Vaccine is here in 3 weeks

If it gets too busy in hospital go to level 3 with no dining and it will die again all the time more and more are being vaccinated

Covid is slower than a one legged dog

You'd want monkeys in charge to let it catch up on you to overwhelm hospitals

Must be a lot of monkeys in charge around Europe these days so.

ElJeffe · 21-11-2020 08:18PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Level 3 with indoor dining

Let the hospitals get a bit busy

Vaccine is here in 3 weeks

If it gets too busy in hospital go to level 3 with no dining and it will die again all the time more and more are being vaccinated

Covid is slower than a one legged dog

You'd want monkeys in charge to let it catch up on you to overwhelm hospitals

You have a link or source to that vaccine claim.

OscarMIlde · 21-11-2020 08:19PM

khalessi wrote: »

I disagree with this.
I posted a while ago how my sister who works in a hospital and wears masks, came in contact with a doctor who had covid. She reckons there was more than 2 metres between them. They were both wearing a mask and another doctor was between them also wearing a mask. My sister was tested 3 times in 7 days all negative tg. On the other hand. I spent over an hour 2 days running with a child who was covid positive, I had a mask child didn't and we were sitting about 90cm apart, either side of a desk. I was not considered a close contact. Public Health Consultant Dr, Abigail Colllins HSE has stated they are very conservative when identifying school close contacts. Another public health consultant on Twitter made an argument tha this was because who would mind the child if both parents are working and child has to isolate.

Your sister wouldn't have been considered a close contact per the hospital criteria, however, since hospitals have the capacity to test in house occupational health can refer people who want a test as a precaution. It's obviously different within a school, as they don't have in house laboratories conducting covid testing.

ACitizenErased · 21-11-2020 08:22PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

You have a link or source to that vaccine claim.

Taoiseach Micheál Martin has revealed that President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen believes Europe will have authorisation for both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines in the second half of December.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/taoiseach-says-vaccine-approval-next-month-could-be-a-wonderful-christmas-voucher-39773220.html

owlbethere · 21-11-2020 08:32PM

theballz wrote: »

Lockdowns do not work. We need to live with this until the vaccine is distributed.

What does living with the virus entail?

I would presume living with the virus would involve following the guidelines on social distancing and other guidelines to avoid crowds and continue with hygiene measures and isolate when sick and restrict movements if identified as a close contact of a confirmed case in case you develop the infection as pass it on to others during the incubation period.

That's what living with the virus is all about. Unfortunately part of the population has proved that they can't follow the guidelines and live alongside the virus. That part of the population wants life back to the way life was. The parts of the population who gathered in pubs when they reopened and gathered in other indoor crowds, is the reason the virus increased in the population and is the reason we have a lockdown again.

The lockdown is working at bringing down cases. We had 1000+ cases back in October. We now have daily cases of around 350.

owlbethere · 21-11-2020 08:34PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Taoiseach Micheál Martin has revealed that President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen believes Europe will have authorisation for both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines in the second half of December.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/taoiseach-says-vaccine-approval-next-month-could-be-a-wonderful-christmas-voucher-39773220.html

Good news.

Stheno · 21-11-2020 08:42PM

owlbethere wrote: »

. The parts of the population who gathered in pubs when they reopened and gathered in other indoor crowds, is the reason the virus increased in the population and is the reason we have a lockdown again.

.

Have you got even one credible source to back up your claim here?

owlbethere · 21-11-2020 08:44PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Level 3 with indoor dining

Let the hospitals get a bit busy

Vaccine is here in 3 weeks

If it gets too busy in hospital go to level 3 with no dining and it will die again all the time more and more are being vaccinated

Covid is slower than a one legged dog

You'd want monkeys in charge to let it catch up on you to overwhelm hospitals

The plan for the vaccine roll out is to vaccine those most at risk first and that would be nursing home residents and healthcare workers.

Ireland cannot led the infection rates rise again or it will jeopardise the vaccination of the groups mentioned above. My understanding is that the vaccine will be 2 injections, 28 days apart. If infection rates rise again in the population, then the groups of people in line to receive the vaccine soon, are at risk of contracting the virus in the weeks between the first and second injection.

Stheno · 21-11-2020 08:46PM

owlbethere wrote: »

The plan for the vaccine roll out is to vaccine those most at risk first and that would be nursing home residents and healthcare workers.

Ireland cannot led the infection rates rise again or it will jeopardise the vaccination of the groups mentioned above. My understanding is that the vaccine will be 2 injections, 28 days apart. If infection rates rise again in the population, then the groups of people in line to receive the vaccine soon, are at risk of contracting the virus in the weeks between the first and second injection.

The Irish plan for the vaccine has not been published

Stop making stuff up

fleet_admiral · 21-11-2020 08:46PM

So I went to my appointment in James's yesterday. Arrived 5 minutes before my time slot (14:50). I was called five minutes later. I was having a pint at a quarter past 3.
I've never seen James's so quiet and never had a faster appointment.

owlbethere · 21-11-2020 08:49PM

Stheno wrote: »

Have you got even one credible source to back up your claim here?

Gatherings after gaa wins:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/gaa-activity-seen-as-a-major-reason-for-cavan-covid-surge-1.4381130

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/inside-galway-party-led-covid-22858045

The population had to be locked down into following some simple public health guidelines.

Russman · 21-11-2020 08:50PM

Stheno wrote: »

Have you got even one credible source to back up your claim here?

I get, and mostly agree with, your point re sources/data etc., but at the same time the virus spread didn’t increase because people were staying apart.

My own opinion is that it’s likely not one particular thing and is a bit like the old marginal gains in sports - a little bit of everything everywhere. Too many got complacent/tired/bored.

Stheno · 21-11-2020 08:52PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Gatherings after gaa wins:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/gaa-activity-seen-as-a-major-reason-for-cavan-covid-surge-1.4381130

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/inside-galway-party-led-covid-22858045

The population had to be locked down into following some simple public health guidelines.

So no. You can't back up your claim that people who went to the pub caused the spread.

Thanks for proving my point

Steve012 · 21-11-2020 08:52PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Decision time approaching......keep cases high as possible....mis-report case positivity rate

I don't follow that Mick, what you mean man?

bodhrandude · 21-11-2020 08:53PM

Stheno wrote: »

Have you got even one credible source to back up your claim here?

Taylor's Bar in Galway had a number of cases come from it during the reopening.

https://lovin.ie/galway/galway-pub-issues-update-on-voluntary-closure-following-positive-covid-19-case

owlbethere · 21-11-2020 08:54PM

Stheno wrote: »

The Irish plan for the vaccine has not been published

Stop making stuff up

That's right. It's not published but every dog in the street knows it will be healthcare workers and those vulnerable in nursing homes will be vaccinated first and maybe older people over 70s in the population.

The covid vaccination will go to **** if there's rising infection rates.

Jim_Hodge · 21-11-2020 08:54PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Good to see among the countries that suppressed this virus again

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1330210647485898752

Tool by name.....

A dose of charts ,all using different axes. Very helpful.

Stheno · 21-11-2020 08:54PM

Russman wrote: »

I get, and mostly agree with, your point re sources/data etc., but at the same time the virus spread didn’t increase because people were staying apart.

My own opinion is that it’s likely not one particular thing and is a bit like the old marginal gains in sports - a little bit of everything everywhere. Too many got complacent/tired/bored.

I fully agree with you

What I absolutely detest are posters who blatantly lie about stuff like this as the poster claiming it was All the people who went to pubs caused the increase which led to lockdown did

Steve012 · 21-11-2020 08:56PM

Stheno wrote: »

The Irish plan for the vaccine has not been published

Stop making stuff up

I saw the AZD1222 video, I thought they get both injections within mins of each other? Could be just simplified for the quick info video.

shinzon · 21-11-2020 08:56PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Taoiseach Micheál Martin has revealed that President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen believes Europe will have authorisation for both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines in the second half of December.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/taoiseach-says-vaccine-approval-next-month-could-be-a-wonderful-christmas-voucher-39773220.html

I know im going to get roasted for this but ive emboldened the word thats relevant here believes doesnt mean it will happen. I hope it does I really do but until theres a definitive statement than everything is just waffle

Shin

Jim_Hodge · 21-11-2020 08:57PM

polesheep wrote: »

The hospitals have not been overwhelmed to date and there is no reason to suppose that they will this side of a vaccine roll-out.

Because of the restrictions. :rolleyes:

Thierry12 · 21-11-2020 08:58PM

Russman wrote: »

Must be a lot of monkeys in charge around Europe these days so.

Alot of monkeys

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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