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Pubs when/will they re-open - the Megathread

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  • #1922
    undertaker fan 88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭undertaker fan 88


    Any bar/resturant that is planning on opening would really need be ordering stock next tuesday or wednesday to have it in for the 1st dec mooted opening date. I work in a bar that serves food. Do I think we will be open? Not a hope. My boss thinks there is a very slight chance. I honestly want to get back to work. The staying home every day is mind numbing as Is the drop in wages.


  • #1923
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    could they not hold on let bars reopen on say 20th dec? might get most of january out of it before lockdown 3 then?


  • #1924
    mightyreds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,893 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    could they not hold on let bars reopen on say 20th dec? might get most of january out of it before lockdown 3 then?

    Might as well open it all on December 1st or soon after in my opinion, I think it will be madness after Christmas anyway, people will not only have house party's but they will be over to friends for a drink or for a sports event.

    Are the pubs open in the north the 1st?


  • #1925
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,026 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    Some NPHET members are still inclined to favour a certain limited opening of pubs that serve food even from the initial December 1st relaxations,

    Why do you pretend to know what some NPHET members inclinations are? Which members are you talking about and where did you hear this information?


  • #1926
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,131 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    SB71 wrote: »
    how would you know, you dont know me from adam, my own mother is in her late 80's lives alone and i check on her several times a week and do her shopping and collect her pension,clean the house for her and bring out the bins is that enough for you eh??

    You know when someone is starting to get frustrated because they are being made a fool out of in a debate, and this is why your lashing out here , pathetic almost this comment.

    Ok. So back to the question I asked, what have you done for the person you mentioned in the post I quoted. The poor old man who gets trotted out in these debates to pretend pubs are an essential business. this guy: “ "elderly men and women, some of who don't have any family and live alone, their only way to get out and meet anyone is to the local pub"

    Does you mother have no family and only sees people in the pub?

    The arguments for the pub being an essential business are so thin they can’t stay consistent for even two post in a row.


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  • #1927
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,131 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    rubadub wrote: »
    I don't think they are good examples.


    It would be rare enough to see people intoxicated as much in cinemas or restaurants as in pubs. Nightclubs, music festivals, standing concerts would be a better example.

    That is what the whole meal in pubs thing was about. It crazy that some people still feign ignorance about this, or worse still really are that ignorant/stupid that they cannot figure it out.

    When people claim not to understand the meal think I have asked numerous times why they think this law below is in place, I never get an answer.

    This is it. It’s just pretending not to understand and that’s the sad thing about it. The analogous businesses are clear and obvious to spot: nightclubs, music concerts, festivals, comedy clubs. The commonality is that they were all closed down the only difference in treatment is that pubs were allowed to reopen for short while.

    Grown adults pretending not to be able to under this kind of thing is very sad to see


  • #1928
    SB71
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭SB71


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    This is it. It’s just pretending not to understand and that’s the sad thing about it. The analogous businesses are clear and obvious to spot: nightclubs, music concerts, festivals, comedy clubs. The commonality is that they were all closed down the only difference in treatment is that pubs were allowed to reopen for short while.

    Grown adults pretending not to be able to under this kind of thing is very sad to see

    AH you again haven't you embarrassed yourself enough a few days ago when i counteracted everything you said and more , another pro NPHET /Government shill who is anti pubs, there's no point in even debating with you anymore.


  • #1929
    Fitz*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Not opening pubs on December 1st is only going to promote house parties even further for the month IMO. Rural Ireland is being decimated at the moment. The family run pub in the middle of nowhere, or on the corner of a village has not and will not serve food so they have been closed for most of the year. They don't have the capabilities of serving food or have outdoor seating for the middle of winter.

    These villages and small towns have an older population as the young population move elsewhere for employment in the cities or for education. All these people are going to return to the villages for Christmas. they have done for the last 10 years, and will continue to do so. For many, it's the only time they see each other in the year, or maybe for a couple of years. Catch up with people they grew up with. Meet their cousins who they have not seen in months, or maybe even since last Christmas or longer because of restrictions.

    If people are home for 2 weeks around the end of December, they are not going to spend the 2 weeks camped up in their own house only. They are going to want to mingle with friends, family etc. No pubs means they are going to buy cans and go drinking in a house instead. Some will even drive as 'it's only over the road'. Which is a lot different to being dropped off and collected at the local pub where they would probably drink less. The pub is actually controlled, the rest is not.

    Since March, I haven't seen any of the friends I grew up with. We are all scattered all over Ireland and Europe. In that time, in a small group of friends, there has been a couple of engagements, a few family deaths unfortunately, some pregnancy news, babies being born and general life changes. We haven't seen each other once for all of this. The one time we will all be in the same county or even within 5k of each other all year will be Christmas. Do ye think that we will just sit at home and not call to see each other in a house? Not a notion.

    And like it or not, people are going to go to house parties on a larger scale than the rest of the year combined if pubs don't open IMO.


  • #1930
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,131 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Drifter50 wrote: »
    Ah come on now, there is no need to be insulting the intelligence of the participants on this forum. If the conversation if not sufficiently high brow or articulate enough for you, then you are welcome to take your leave.

    What is an "Open the Pubs" kook anyway. Anytime I hear an argument from the publicans side it is usually headed by the VFI or the LVA

    Yeahs say it would be people who argue along the lines of the posters on this thread, can’t keep a straight argument and so on. 2 examples from the last few pages would be posters claiming that pubs have been singled out for unfair treatment in spite of the analogous businesses (nightclubs, concerts etc.) also being shut for all the obvious reasons. Then claiming that calling to see their own mother is an example of someone who has no family and only sees people in the pub.

    It’s hard to know if these people are feigning the silliness or if it’s genuine. But if it’s genuine and if it’s any indication of the people who lobby government to open the pubs, then it’s clear why they have convinced the government to make an exception for pubs.


  • #1931
    SB71
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭SB71


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Ok. So back to the question I asked, what have you done for the person you mentioned in the post I quoted. The poor old man who gets trotted out in these debates to pretend pubs are an essential business. this guy: “ "elderly men and women, some of who don't have any family and live alone, their only way to get out and meet anyone is to the local pub"

    Does you mother have no family and only sees people in the pub?

    The arguments for the pub being an essential business are so thin they can’t stay consistent for even two post in a row.

    No she doesn't, and yes she does or rather did like to go across to the pub across the road on occasions, this isnt about my mother, numerous people who have no family or family who live far away their only social interaction is going to the pub, but you'll try your best to twist this around with some nonsense.


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  • #1932
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,131 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    SB71 wrote: »
    AH you again haven't you embarrassed yourself enough a few days ago when i counteracted everything you said and more , another pro NPHET /Government shill who is anti pubs, there's no point in even debating with you anymore.

    You used your own mother as an example of someone who has no family and for whom the pub is an essential business....

    Be sure to let us know what you do for the people you feign concern for, the elderly poop or with no family and only see people in the pub etc.


  • #1933
    opinionated3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Open the pubs. If you don't want to go, stay at home. People are sick of being isolated from their friends. The protective measures are in place in the pub's so use them. If I can sit in a busy canteen at my workplace then surely I'm ok to sit at a socially distanced table with two of my friends to drink a pint and have the chat.


  • #1934
    SB71
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭SB71


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    You used your own mother as an example of someone who has no family and for whom the pub is an essential business....

    Just one example yes when the reality is there are numerous just like this, and not just elderly people either, i know some people who live alone and have family who live abroad and their only social interaction is in a pub environment.

    i could be repeating myself till the cows come home and it wont make a bit of difference with you, when the pubs do open id suggest you stay at home and leave the rest if us to enjoy our drunks.

    Adios.


  • #1935
    Thundercats Ho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,587 ✭✭✭Thundercats Ho


    Freudian slip 101


  • #1936
    brisan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    Why do you pretend to know what some NPHET members inclinations are? Which members are you talking about and where did you hear this information?

    He is banned from other covid related threads for exactly the same thing
    Either he is a WUM or a plonker
    I am going for both


  • #1937
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,131 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    SB71 wrote: »
    No she doesn't, and yes she does or rather did like to go across to the pub across the road on occasions, this isnt about my mother, numerous people who have no family or family who live far away their only social interaction is going to the pub, but you'll try your best to twist this around with some nonsense.

    Ok. So your mother neither has no family, nor is the pub essential to her. Why did you bring her up again? Oh yeah, she was your example of someone who has no family, only sees people in the pub and the pub is essential to her. Lol.

    So be sure to let us know what you do for all those people who have no family and for whom the pub is essential. Or, it wasn’t faux concern to make the flimsy argument that the pub is an essential business, was it?


  • #1938
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    It actually makes me quite angry when the numbers are rising quite obviously as a result of the schools going back 2 weeks ago.

    In the meantime all you see or hear is the anti drinking lobby crap on about closing pubs and harassing the government to shut the streets down because of outragers out posting videos of 100 people drinking outdoors for an hour or two on a Saturday night.

    It really is a phucking joke and people need to wise up to it.

    Personally I am sick of being patronised at this point. Every night Nphet throw out a new blamehound to future proof their excuses for next week. In the meantime the kids at school are swinging out of the Chandeliers like Elephants.


  • #1939
    seannash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,665 ✭✭✭seannash


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    Open the pubs. If you don't want to go, stay at home. People are sick of being isolated from their friends. The protective measures are in place in the pub's so use them. If I can sit in a busy canteen at my workplace then surely I'm ok to sit at a socially distanced table with two of my friends to drink a pint and have the chat.


    Your failing to grasp this. If you get it from the pubs you can infect other people who don't go to the pub but encounter you out shopping or elsewhere.
    Or if you have it and are showing no symptoms you could potentially give it to your friends. Same for your friends, they can give it to you.
    It then spreads to the wider community because you wanted an aul pint with your mates



    As for your canteen, speak with your employer, there are clear guidelines around the workplace and Covid which they may have implemented but people chose to ignore.


  • #1940
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Your assumption that’s I’m a non drinker is incorrect. Your assertion that I support government is wrong. Maybe I’m deluded and you could demonstrate that by answering the question I asked in the post you quoted, I.E. show the analogous business to pubs, which were allowed to operate during covid. It should be easy since you think I must be deluded if I can’t see the agenda against pubs. So go ahead...

    Google it.


  • #1941
    opinionated3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    seannash wrote: »
    Your failing to grasp this. If you get it from the pubs you can infect other people who don't go to the pub but encounter you out shopping or elsewhere.
    Or if you have it and are showing no symptoms you could potentially give it to your friends. Same for your friends, they can give it to you.
    It then spreads to the wider community because you wanted an aul pint with your mates



    As for your canteen, speak with your employer, there are clear guidelines around the workplace and Covid which they may have implemented but people chose to ignore.
    You mean the similar guidelines that were also issued to pub's as well?


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  • #1942
    Poorside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭Poorside


    aziz wrote: »
    They are only swapping them for fresh ones for the big reopening

    Well I live in hope


    Unfortunately not.


  • #1943
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,703 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Seeing all the pictures on social media of the lights outside the pubs is making my blood boil and making him dislike NPHET and the government even more. The pubs demonstrated that they can operate safely and what did they get ?? ordered too close again and not allowed open for Christmas cause of public safety'

    Things are going too far and the public humiliation of the RTE staff has shown that


  • #1944
    MelbourneMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭MelbourneMan


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    Open the pubs. If you don't want to go, stay at home. People are sick of being isolated from their friends. The protective measures are in place in the pub's so use them. If I can sit in a busy canteen at my workplace then surely I'm ok to sit at a socially distanced table with two of my friends to drink a pint and have the chat.

    No, you are not OK to do this. Let me explain why, and it will perhaps also help others to understand the fallacy in this thinking.

    Your first statement is particularly dangerous. Giving people the choice to go to a pub or to stay home is unfortunately no solution. Those who choose to go the pub would be not only exposing themselves to a risk - and I understand an individual is entitled to put themselves at risk should they choose - but many others also who have not chosen to accept that risk. And this is the unacceptable risk. One cannot be allowed to go to the pub if it is going to put the health of others, their ability to earn their income, and the fuller normal functioning of society at risk. The view you espouse is the one that forces government to take the decision that pubs must be closed to protect the greater good from those who would unfortunately make the wrong decision and frequent one if it were open.

    Your second point, also problematic, and missing the rationale for pub closures, is that the two scenarios you compare - your workplace canteen, and a pub - cannot be deemed equally important. The risk may indeed be similar. But the benefit from you being at your workplace is considered acceptable to justify the risk of you being there. The risk of you patronising a pub, while not denying it provides you with some pleasure, does not justify you doing so.

    I hope this makes it clearer, and think if more people considered a little more carefully some of the certainly undesirable restrictions that we all wish were not imposed, they would be better understood. This would improve both people's compliance, and reduce their distress at having to do so. There is solid ground to the need for the restrictions.


  • #1945
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    No, you are not OK to do this. Let me explain why, and it will perhaps also help others to understand the fallacy in this thinking.

    Your first statement is particularly dangerous. Giving people the choice to go to a pub or to stay home is unfortunately no solution. Those who choose to go the pub would be not only exposing themselves to a risk - and I understand an individual is entitled to put themselves at risk should they choose - but many others also who have not chosen to accept that risk. And this is the unacceptable risk. One cannot be allowed to go to the pub if it is going to put the health of others, their ability to earn their income, and the fuller normal functioning of society at risk. The view you espouse is the one that forces government to take the decision that pubs must be closed to protect the greater good from those who would unfortunately make the wrong decision and frequent one if it were open.

    Your second point, also problematic, and missing the rationale for pub closures, is that the two scenarios you compare - your workplace canteen, and a pub - cannot be deemed equally important. The risk may indeed be similar. But the benefit from you being at your workplace is considered acceptable to justify the risk of you being there. The risk of you patronising a pub, while not denying it provides you with some pleasure, does not justify you doing so.

    I hope this makes it clearer, and think if more people considered a little more carefully some of the certainly undesirable restrictions that we all wish were not imposed, they would be better understood. This would improve both people's compliance, and reduce their distress at having to do so. There is solid ground to the need for the restrictions.

    He certainly is OK to do so, despite your protestations to the contrary. "Particularly dangerous" is a disingenuous effort at stoking hysteria, your worldview is completely removed from that of a rational person. Inserting yourself as a moral arbiter is dishonest, you have zero authority over the actions of another.

    Fifteen socially distanced punters in a pub is an acceptable risk, and the hard data backs this up. Less than 0.3% of cases nationally can be attributed to public houses. Compared to healthcare environments and schools where hundreds of clusters have broken out. Which underlines your narrow-minded tactics in attempting to distort the narrative. You haven't a credible argument against pubs re-opening, and you know it. Come early December your nonsense will be as futile as an imbecile trying to push back the tide. Sorry for your troubles.


  • #1946
    Thats me
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 639 ✭✭✭Thats me


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Fifteen socially distanced punters in a pub is an acceptable risk, and the hard data backs this up.


    Are you drinking all these substances having te mask properly worn? Where are links to the "hard data"?


  • #1947
    FrStone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭FrStone


    Crowds drinking in Cork city again tonight. They would be safer in a pub.


  • #1948
    undertaker fan 88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭undertaker fan 88


    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158915794063953&id=117528783952

    These scenes make my blood boil. I work in the pub trade and it's over things like this that will result in the pubs being shut for longer


  • #1949
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    This scene will be repeated and repeated each and every weekend , you can take this is Irish peoples answer to protesting on the streets. this will get much bigger each week.


  • #1950
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,703 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    undertaker fan 88 wrote: »
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158915794063953&id=117528783952

    These scenes make my blood boil. I work in the pub trade and it's over things like this that will result in the pubs being shut for longer

    Yeah pissing me off seeing this but as another poster said this is going too happen even more the next few weeks. Where are the guards ?

    Dr Tony will be over this damming everyone and no way will he let us go below level 3 now


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  • #1951
    dodderangler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    close the schools open the pubs. numbers didn't rise until schools opened not the pubs. enter at your own risk imo. let us get back to normality ffs


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