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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #8192
    BeefeaterHat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    no doubt half/almost all of the current Government/NPHET were students/young people once upon a time and wild nights out with lots of drink and company and they need to take into account normal life to an extent

    Well judging by his attitude towards alcohol I'd say St. Tony spent many a night of his youth in silent study of the King James Bible.


  • #8193
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,251 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    no doubt half/almost all of the current Government/NPHET were students/young people once upon a time and wild nights out with lots of drink and company and they need to take into account normal life to an extent


    Health experts should ignore statistics because they might have gotten locked and dropped the hand in the smoking area during rag week..........

    Interesting take......


  • #8194
    Ted_YNWA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,802 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    ShyMets wrote: »
    I think I preferred you when you were nox

    Mod

    If you believe anyone to be a re-reg. Report this & the mod team will investigate. Do not accuse on thread.


  • #8195
    eastie17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 584 ✭✭✭eastie17


    rusty cole wrote: »
    Anytime I see M Martin telling us he's got our best interest at heart and we're all in this together, I'd just love to swing the camera to Brendan Gleeson in 2006 late late show mode...

    It really is a case of us paying for their lack of absolute investment in health, this is why we are on the toughest lockdowns in Europe. it's as simple as our boat having more holes in it than anyone's, so we must all stick a finger in each hole to stop the country from sinking

    give it a read.

    https://magill.ie/archive/gleeson-late-late

    It’s not underinvestment, we spend an absolute fortune on our health system. It’s inefficiency, weak leadership, a revolving chair at minister level and entrenched unions that mean we have a much weaker health service than what we are paying for.


  • #8196
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    BeefeaterHat wrote: »
    But you'll simply never have 100% compliance. You just don't seem to get there'll always be a minority of people who'll bend or break restrictions. To be honest I think NPHET use examples like the drinkers in Dublin as scapegoats to dodge any tough questions. There certainly does seem to be an attempt by them to play to people's inner snob

    There's a serious lack of proper journalism in this country. At the press conferences they ask the most ridiculous questions, like bringing up an older video of a few people enjoying takeaway pints while adhering to the restrictions. Not one of those hacks asked about the increase in hospital based transmission.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • #8197
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    JRant wrote: »
    There's a serious lack of proper journalism in this country. At the press conferences they ask the most ridiculous questions, like bringing up an older video of a few people enjoying takeaway pints while adhering to the restrictions. Not one of those hacks asked about the increase in hospital based transmission.

    That's because we dont have any good journalists in the country.


  • #8198
    zerosugarbuzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    average_runner wrote: »
    That's because we dont have any good journalists in the country.

    Unfortunately you’re right. Way too many of them hoping for a job as a government advisor. Will be interesting to see if they change tactics when Sinn Fein her elected.


  • #8199
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,844 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    average_runner wrote: »
    That's because we dont have any good journalists in the country.

    It's also because Covid sells.

    Why risk exposing how relatively harmless it is for the vast majority.


  • #8200
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    It's also because Covid sells.

    Why risk exposing how relatively harmless it is for the vast majority.

    This.

    You can work really hard to look for stories to report or you can get a top story by doing a tired article based on footage of some people having a drink in the street.

    The latter is the easier option.


  • #8201
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    If they are saying next winter before back to normal, we need to close our borders. This will enable the people of ireland to have a normal life like some other countries.

    Anyone entering must do a 2 week quarantine in a monitored hotel


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  • #8202
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    average_runner wrote: »
    If they are saying next winter before back to normal, we need to close our borders. This will enable the people of ireland to have a normal life like some other countries.

    Anyone entering must do a 2 week quarantine in a monitored hotel
    Can you close the borders with Northern Ireland. I remember the conclusion a few months back that it was impossible. Did something change since then or has something else changed since then?


  • #8203
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Can you close the borders with Northern Ireland. I remember the conclusion a few months back that it was impossible. Did something change since then or has something else changed since then?




    There is always ways. Can deploy the army or get the north to agree to one island.


    European countries surrounded by other countries closed their borders


  • #8204
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    average_runner wrote: »
    Can deploy the army or get the north to agree to one island.


    Yeah I think that's caused some trouble in the past!!


  • #8205
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Captain_Crash wrote: »
    Yeah I think that's caused some trouble in the past!!


    Special times now and we are not asking the north to give control to the south. Just no movement outside the Island.


  • #8206
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,260 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    average_runner wrote: »
    Special times now and we are not asking the north to give control to the south. Just no movement outside the Island.

    Yes you are. You just said the alternative to deploying the troops was the North agreeing to one island.

    I think you'd find a lot of resistance to both ideas - especially because CV-19 isn't actually a significant risk to the vast majority of the population.


  • #8207
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40082945.html?fbclid=IwAR10fLMZEFlHZPYt590mtBvQ6Cc_eHWus1v-1OnGIdsxmekAa9Iezxik6Iw

    Full month of December is what’s needed to give the hospitality sector a boost


  • #8208
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,260 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40082945.html?fbclid=IwAR10fLMZEFlHZPYt590mtBvQ6Cc_eHWus1v-1OnGIdsxmekAa9Iezxik6Iw

    Full month of December is what’s needed to give the hospitality sector a boost

    Even the language in the headline ("reprieve") shows the problem with the thinking here.

    You'd think these businesses had done something wrong and were being let out for good behaviour.


  • #8209
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Yes you are. You just said the alternative to deploying the troops was the North agreeing to one island.

    I think you'd find a lot of resistance to both ideas - especially because CV-19 isn't actually a significant risk to the vast majority of the population.




    One island as in we just all stay on the one island. North still govern their own country.


    Maybe not be a significant risk, but doesn't mean there won't be severe restrictions for the future.


    If we close our borders we can fully open and get on with a normal life


  • #8210
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Even the language in the headline ("reprieve") shows the problem with the thinking here.

    You'd think these businesses had done something wrong and were being let out for good behaviour.

    Yip the narrative from the media has changed back to the population being bold and it’s all the pubs and restaurants fault


  • #8211
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40082945.html?fbclid=IwAR10fLMZEFlHZPYt590mtBvQ6Cc_eHWus1v-1OnGIdsxmekAa9Iezxik6Iw

    Full month of December is what’s needed to give the hospitality sector a boost




    Not a hope in that happening and people aren't going to risk travelling to a hotel before xmas either.


    I know we are taking the kids out of school the Friday 18th (school finishes on the 22nd). This will enable us to have the grand parents over for xmas without much of a risk or worry


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  • #8212
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Yip the narrative from the media has changed back to the population being bold and it’s all the pubs and restaurants fault




    Because its a slow news weekend, no election stuff to talk about


  • #8213
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40082945.html?fbclid=IwAR10fLMZEFlHZPYt590mtBvQ6Cc_eHWus1v-1OnGIdsxmekAa9Iezxik6Iw

    Full month of December is what’s needed to give the hospitality sector a boost

    Talk about mixed messages. Ministers saying one thing and then Doctor Doom at the end with his "worrying trends" schtick. If they announce pubs and restaurants will only open for a couple of weeks it'll be pandemonium run wild. Further proof that they have no idea how hat they are doing.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #8214
    Daemonic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭Daemonic


    average_runner wrote: »
    If they are saying next winter before back to normal, we need to close our borders. This will enable the people of ireland to have a normal life like some other countries.

    Anyone entering must do a 2 week quarantine in a monitored hotel
    What about the lorry drivers who make their living transporting goods via ferry to the UK and the Continent? 2 weeks in quarantine added to each trip?

    New Zealand etc. are too far from their neighbours for goods to arrive accompanied on the back of trucks but a huge amount of our supply chains rely on this method of transport. That isn't going to change overnight to facilitate quarantine.


  • #8215
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    This thread from morning ireland...

    https://twitter.com/morningireland/status/1328252611296972801?s=21

    I’m so sick of been told what we can and cannot do. I think it was here last night I saw a poster say that the language the CMO is using is and will start to alienate people and it’ll all eventually be a big FÛCK YOU to NPHET and the government


  • #8216
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Daemonic wrote: »
    What about the lorry drivers who make their living transporting goods via ferry to the UK and the Continent? 2 weeks in quarantine added to each trip?

    New Zealand etc. are too far from their neighbours for goods to arrive accompanied on the back of trucks but a huge amount of our supply chains rely on this method of transport. That isn't going to change overnight to facilitate quarantine.




    How did the european countries do it?


  • #8217
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Yip the narrative from the media has changed back to the population being bold and it’s all the pubs and restaurants fault

    It's purely a deflection tactic so people don't focus on the real driver in numbers, ie. Hospital based transmission.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #8218
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,948 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    I’m so sick of been told what we can and cannot do. I think it was here last night I saw a poster say that the language the CMO is using is and will start to alienate people and it’ll all eventually be a big FÛCK YOU to NPHET and the government

    The two weeks are critical, we are all very concerned.


  • #8219
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    average_runner wrote: »
    How did the european countries do it?

    No European country enforced a quarantine. They just closed their borders to those who were not residents, citizens or on essential business

    Which is effectively what is happening here now. Like who is coming to Ireland other than residents? There’s nothing to do!

    And in any case if it hasn’t been done to this point, it’s not going to happen now (plus MM specifically ruled it out)


  • #8220
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,445 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    This thread from morning ireland...

    https://twitter.com/morningireland/status/1328252611296972801?s=21

    I’m so sick of been told what we can and cannot do. I think it was here last night I saw a poster say that the language the CMO is using is and will start to alienate people and it’ll all eventually be a big FÛCK YOU to NPHET and the government

    Oddly enough just after being sent that thread on WhatsApp by someone who's followed restrictions to the letter since the start and safe to say wasn't happy with what she was saying this morning. The method of getting the big stick out to get compliance is clutching at straws.

    The approach of talking down to people isn't going to work when there's fatigue, not an interview to get people back onside that's for sure.


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  • #8221
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No European country enforced a quarantine. They just closed their borders to those who were not residents, citizens or on essential business

    Which is effectively what is happening here now. Like who is coming to Ireland other than residents? There’s nothing to do!

    And in any case if it hasn’t been done to this point, it’s not going to happen now (plus MM specifically ruled it out)


    Nine EU states have fully sealed their borders to non-nationals over the coronavirus pandemic, despite experts saying it will do no good.
    The Czech Republic, Cyprus, Denmark, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and Spain have announced they would close borders to all foreigners.
    Some in the group, such as Denmark, made allowances for non-nationals who were delivering goods to the country.
    The moves followed partial closures and extra border checks imposed by Austria, Hungary, Slovenia, and several other countries.
    Germany also joined the part-closure group on Monday (16 March), by all-but sealing its frontiers with Austria, Denmark, France, and Luxembourg, while Slovenia closed its border with Italy.


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