Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

3xh · 13-11-2020 07:30PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I do what I feel is best for me and for my family . I am well capable of risk assessment and will do what I feel is in my best interest
You do what you want to too

I get your point. If only we could do what we want to do. Now and in the future.

iamwhoiam · 13-11-2020 07:33PM

3xh wrote: »

I get your point. If only we could do what we want to do. Now and in the future.

Which is why i do what I do . So we can do what we want to in the future
What I don’t understand why me sticking to the restrictions bothers anyone else ?

Ginger n Lemon · 13-11-2020 07:45PM

There have been seven further deaths of people with Covid-19 and 482 new cases of the disease confirmed by the Department of Health.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/we-must-not-allow-our-success-to-let-us-drop-our-guard-against-covid-nphet-warns-as-seven-deaths-and-482-new-cases-confirmed-39744570.html

Just me or level 5 is not working - at all? Or schools are back - cases are back? Akin to NI super circuit breaker lockdown of 4 weeks- achieved absolutely nothing. And health minister there was looking for 2 week extensions..

Dr Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health, said: “The increase in case numbers of COVID-19 today is an important reminder of the unpredictable nature of this highly infectious disease.

Translation - cases are rising, we dont know how or where or how to stop them from rising. our previous decisions have achieved very little. Yours truly, Tony H.

bucketybuck · 13-11-2020 07:46PM

Coybig_ wrote: »

What are the odds that this 8 year old piece regarding a vaccine that Tony Holohan told people to take, and helped to protect the companies who rushed it through, yet gave devastating side effects to some, will become relevant over the coming years?

History to repeat itself?

https://www.thejournal.ie/government-official-defends-indemnity-for-swine-flue-vaccine-makers-423613-Apr2012/

Like I said earlier, we are following the advice of somebody with repeated failures and who has repeatedly made serious errors of judgement. Why exactly should we be listening to him now?

Where else would you see it? In any other industry a guy who keeps being wrong would be pushed aside and no longer listened to. Not here, here we put him in charge.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I am well capable of risk assessment

Sorry, going to have to disagree with that one.

I want to walk on a beach but I cant right now

end of the road · 13-11-2020 07:47PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Which is why i do what I do . So we can do what we want to in the future
What I don’t understand why me sticking to the restrictions bothers anyone else ?

it annoys them because it reinforces the fact that they are in a minority.
it reinforces the fact that the restrictions are working in reducing case numbers so we can reopen.
it annoys them because they know the government will never listen to them in a million years and will implement policy on covid 19 based on the evidence.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

There have been seven further deaths of people with Covid-19 and 482 new cases of the disease confirmed by the Department of Health.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/we-must-not-allow-our-success-to-let-us-drop-our-guard-against-covid-nphet-warns-as-seven-deaths-and-482-new-cases-confirmed-39744570.html

Just me or level 5 is not working - at all? Or schools are back - cases are back? Akin to NI super circuit breaker lockdown of 4 weeks- achieved absolutely nothing. And health minister there was looking for 2 week extensions..

Dr Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health, said: “The increase in case numbers of COVID-19 today is an important reminder of the unpredictable nature of this highly infectious disease.

Translation - cases are rising, we dont know how or where or how to stop them from rising. our previous decisions have achieved very little. Yours truly, Tony H.

nope it's just good old common sense which cannot be fear mongering.
because numbers are down it doesn't mean it has gone away, so dispite any relaxing of restrictions we must still take caution and follow the guidelines.
level 5, just like our last lock down, does seem to be working.

nofools · 13-11-2020 07:47PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

So no, you've no idea how to manage people. It's not about eating out per say. "No man is an island". Humans are the only animals that eat while looking at eachother. We're talking about deeply rooted evolutionary forces here.

And restaurants are not the only place people can meet. Much safer at home.

I find your point bizarre to be honest, "managing people".

MelbourneMan · 13-11-2020 07:50PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I do what I feel is best for me and for my family . I am well capable of risk assessment and will do what I feel is in my best interest
You do what you want to too

Hello.
Risk assessment and corrective measures for a pandemic are very complex undertakings. We have a team of specialists appointed and working full time on that task, and I would urge all to heed their message and comply with the recommendations issued by the government.
Individuals making their own assessments, and acting independently as they see fit, would unfortunately be a recipe for disaster.

nofools · 13-11-2020 07:50PM

normanoffside wrote: »

People have been eating and drinking out as far back as history records civilisation.
It was probably happening even before that.

And dying from their own ignorance for millenia too.

normanoffside · 13-11-2020 07:52PM

nofools wrote: »

And dying from their own ignorance for millenia too.

Let's all stop living then.

normanoffside · 13-11-2020 07:53PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello.

nofools · 13-11-2020 07:53PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Just on that.

EVERYTHING is a god given right. Its what we call freedom.
Restricting freedom is a big deal. Possibly one of the biggest there is. Even temporarily restricting freedom where necessary for the public good must therefore be proportionate and appropriate and hold up to the utmost scrutiny.

Nphet and Tony seem way too comfortable in their new found role of the nations tough love daddy.

Selfish spoiled and frankly weak attitude.

We need to grow a pair and practice some delayed gratification.

Man's need are few and wants are many.

We are too soft and have grown to consider luxuries as rights.

iamwhoiam · 13-11-2020 07:55PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello.
Risk assessment and corrective measures for a pandemic are very complex undertakings. We have a team of specialists appointed and working full time on that task, and I would urge all to heed their message and comply with the recommendations issued by the government.
Individuals making their own assessments, and acting independently as they see fit, would unfortunately be a recipe for disaster.

I stick to every restriction for your information . My argument was with a poster who seemed to think I was daft to do so

nofools · 13-11-2020 07:56PM

road_high wrote: »

I agree with you but the problems are many- shops, cafes, restaurants, cinema, theatre, hairdressers, travel etc etc practically everything we’d use normally to socialise is all shuttered as per St Tony’s “very worried” dictates. I’d have a normal Xmas in the morning but it’s impossible with the mania and lunatic fringe currently running things. I’m resigned to a quiet non existent Christmas with close family. My heart breaks for people forcibly separated abroad and also stuck here away from loved ones

"Impossible"

All you need is some groceries and your family.

nofools · 13-11-2020 07:57PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Let's all stop living then.

Go live then.

iamwhoiam · 13-11-2020 07:58PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Like I said earlier, we are following the advice of somebody with repeated failures and who has repeatedly made serious errors of judgement. Why exactly should we be listening to him now?

Where else would you see it? In any other industry a guy who keeps being wrong would be pushed aside and no longer listened to. Not here, here we put him in charge.

Sorry, going to have to disagree with that one.

Why is it bothering you that I stick to the restrictions of 5kms ? Can you explain that to me ?

Clonmel1000 · 13-11-2020 07:59PM

nofools wrote: »

"Impossible"

All you need is some groceries and your family.

There really are some very strange people in this country unless of course your taking the piss.

nofools · 13-11-2020 08:00PM

brisan wrote: »

They are if you depend on it for a living

True but they are screwed regardless until the situation ends.

Suppression now is in their best interests long term.

Ginger n Lemon · 13-11-2020 08:01PM

nofools wrote: »

"Impossible"

All you need is some groceries and your family.

So you are in favour of family members abroad travelling here for Xmas to reunite? And eat some groceries while they are at it?

nofools · 13-11-2020 08:02PM

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

There really are some very strange people in this country unless of course your taking the piss.

I forgot thepresents, go visit friends safely.

What is abnormal here?

The only thing lacking is a few nights in the pub. We will survive.

nofools · 13-11-2020 08:03PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

So you are in favour of family members abroad travelling here for Xmas to reunite? And eat some groceries while they are at it?

Yes so long as they quarantine on arrival as expected

normanoffside · 13-11-2020 08:03PM

nofools wrote: »

Go live then.

We're not really allowed to unless you count watching netflix in your house and drinking cans as 'living'.

Ginger n Lemon · 13-11-2020 08:04PM

end of the road wrote: »

it annoys them because it reinforces the fact that they are in a minority.
it reinforces the fact that the restrictions are working in reducing case numbers so we can reopen.
it annoys them because they know the government will never listen to them in a million years and will implement policy on covid 19 based on the evidence.

First part in bold - cases are going up.

Dr Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health, said: “The increase in case numbers of COVID-19 today is an important reminder of the unpredictable nature of this highly infectious disease.

2nd point in bold

CMO said: If we can keep up high levels of compliance, we can get to where we need to be on December 1.”

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/we-must-not-allow-our-success-to-let-us-drop-our-guard-against-covid-nphet-warns-as-seven-deaths-and-482-new-cases-confirmed-39744570.html

Have you ever thought why Tony H has never said what is the number of cases where we need to be? Irish public are being treated like absolute idiots and you keep banging the drum lockdowns are working. 7 people died today with a positive PCR test. 4 died in entire August. No lockdown in August. Level 5 in November. Explain? Public disobedience is it? :rolleyes:

Or perhaps, covid is a seasonal illness, and no matter how many business you shut down you ll always have people dying with covid in the colder months, and have "cases"?

normanoffside · 13-11-2020 08:05PM

nofools wrote: »

Yes so long as they quarantine on arrival expected

You're not expected to quarantine on arrival.

You're advised to restrict your movements and you could do that at your family home while others come to visit you.

13-11-2020 08:10PM

At the moment, you are most likely to catch Covid in a hospital or nursing home.

I think that sums up the performance of Government/NPHET/HSE.

But of course it’s easier to just put half a million out of work and finger wag about house parties while they continue to earn 6 figure salaries for their incompetence.

And we have even more evidence now that lockdown simply doesn’t work. Huge social and economic cost and we still have hundreds of cases.

SusieBlue · 13-11-2020 08:11PM

Anyone who thinks the vast majority are abiding by the restrictions are only fooling themselves.
The poll on the other thread proves that this has turned into an extremely divisive issue, the results were pretty much split down the middle between those who are following the rules and those who aren’t.

The same poll a few weeks into the first lockdown would have revealed a landslide result in favour of people willingly abiding and complying with restrictions. I myself was in that number then, but not this time around.

The fear has been gone for the majority for a long time and most who are obeying are doing so grudgingly. I have yet to meet a single person this time around who completely agrees and supports every single element of level 5. There’s way more dissent, frustration and criticism than there was back in March.

pjohnson · 13-11-2020 08:15PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Anyone who thinks the vast majority are abiding by the restrictions are only fooling themselves.
The poll on the other thread proves that this has turned into an extremely divisive issue, the results were pretty much split down the middle between those who are following the rules and those who aren’t.

The same poll a few weeks into the first lockdown would have revealed a landslide result in favour of people willingly abiding and complying with restrictions. I myself was in that number then, but not this time around.

The fear has been gone for the majority for a long time and most who are obeying are doing so grudgingly. I have yet to meet a single person this time around who completely agrees and supports every single element of level 5. There’s way more dissent, frustration and criticism than there was back in March.

Are you reallt tryna retcon away those drinking soiree's you were boasting about?

SusieBlue · 13-11-2020 08:19PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Are you reallt tryna retcon away those drinking soiree's you were boasting about?

I followed every restriction to the letter for 13 weeks during the first lockdown, in fact I voluntarily started restricting my movements about two weeks before the government made it mandatory based on what I had seen and read online.

I had my friends over for wine most weekends in September, when there was no lockdown and having visitors at home was allowed. The only rule I was breaking then was having 7 people over instead of 6. I’m not sorry or bothered about your judgment.

end of the road · 13-11-2020 08:34PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

First part in bold - cases are going up.

Dr Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health, said: “The increase in case numbers of COVID-19 today is an important reminder of the unpredictable nature of this highly infectious disease.

2nd point in bold

CMO said: If we can keep up high levels of compliance, we can get to where we need to be on December 1.”

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/we-must-not-allow-our-success-to-let-us-drop-our-guard-against-covid-nphet-warns-as-seven-deaths-and-482-new-cases-confirmed-39744570.html

Have you ever thought why Tony H has never said what is the number of cases where we need to be? Irish public are being treated like absolute idiots and you keep banging the drum lockdowns are working. 7 people died today with a positive PCR test. 4 died in entire August. No lockdown in August. Level 5 in November. Explain? Public disobedience is it?

Or perhaps, covid is a seasonal illness, and no matter how many business you shut down you ll always have people dying with covid in the colder months, and have "cases"?

we aren't being treated like idiots, you are just in a minority and can't deal with it so come out with the usuals.
you are of course missing, i personally suspect deliberately, the terms suppression, minimising and control, not eradication, in relation to our policy on the virus.
seasonal illness or not, a circuit breaker lock down before christmas does seem to have been shown to be the correct approach.

pjohnson · 13-11-2020 08:38PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

I followed every restriction to the letter for 13 weeks during the first lockdown, in fact I voluntarily started restricting my movements about two weeks before the government made it mandatory based on what I had seen and read online.

I had my friends over for wine most weekends in September, when there was no lockdown and having visitors at home was allowed. The only rule I was breaking then was having 7 people over instead of 6. I’m not sorry or bothered about your judgment.

Oh of course not wouldn't expect you nor any anti-restriction type to ever give a damn about anyone else. Just amusing you now claim to have followed them.

nofools · 13-11-2020 08:39PM

normanoffside wrote: »

We're not really allowed to unless you count watching netflix in your house and drinking cans as 'living'.

I thought the bold and the brave are ignoring the rules

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings