Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

suicide_circus · 13-11-2020 03:13PM

nofools wrote: »

Have a twix or something. Stop pretending eating out is some god given right

So no, you've no idea how to manage people. It's not about eating out per say. "No man is an island". Humans are the only animals that eat while looking at eachother. We're talking about deeply rooted evolutionary forces here.

normanoffside · 13-11-2020 04:10PM

nofools wrote: »

Have a twix or something. Stop pretending eating out is some god given right

People have been eating and drinking out as far back as history records civilisation.
It was probably happening even before that.

brisan · 13-11-2020 04:12PM

nofools wrote: »

Some retail I agree.

Barbers should be outdoors!

Restaurants....not worth it. Is a few nice meals worth a couple of extra months of this?

Everything that happened between June and October was a mistake in hindsight. Go back to the drawing board on how we can go about our daily business.

Restaurants are in no way essential.

They are if you depend on it for a living

Summer2020 · 13-11-2020 04:13PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. This is not quite true. There is a middle ground of restrictions which maintain a control on the virus spread in the community, which avoids the swings between very strong lockdowns such as those in force at present, and then opening non-essential high risk activities to general access. While a vaccine is of course the long term goal, the medium term management of the situation requires a movement from the thinking that low numbers mean the removal of restrictions. While it will hurt some elements of society, the economy, and peoples lives, a steady position is in the overall good.

Would you ever f*ck off with the ‘hello’ crap. You don’t work for NPHET, despite what you’d like us to think.

FintanMcluskey · 13-11-2020 04:16PM

normanoffside wrote: »

People have been eating and drinking out as far back as history records civilisation.
It was probably happening even before that.

Seeking safety in groups was key for the survival of the species.

Tony H will be a huge evolutionary step for mankind

brisan · 13-11-2020 04:17PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. Certainly, patronising public houses is a very low priority considering the risks involved. The food requirement is an effective measure in limited circumstances though, as it does raise a barrier to entry, thus limiting the numbers willing to go that food step. Which is the key benefit - a financial incentive discouraging the frequenting of pubs. But would agree, and advocate, that in the context of Christmas priorities, small family gatherings must be given precendence during a short window during the traditional holiday season.

Glad to see the Hello is back

Iused2likebusts · 13-11-2020 04:18PM

Surely kids should be able to play sports matches at all levels apart from level 5. I think thats the worst restriction of the lot.

charlie14 · 13-11-2020 04:22PM

3xh wrote: »

It’s one thing happily presenting for testing due to feeling the symptoms of Covid/flu/cold which are largely similar like cough, fever, sore throat, etc. so as to protect those around you and get back into society quicker and a whole other ball game needing to present for testing whilst fine, simply to watch a concert. Initially. Then cinemas. Then college. Then jobs. Etc.

But you knew that and agree.

My point has nothing to do with whether I agree or not. It`s that a pretty savvy commercial enterprise are proposing it and I very much doubt they are doing it for the sake of the health of their customers. If they didn`t see a commercial value in it for them or a possible lesser degree of bad publicity fallout should there be an outbreak from one of their events, then I do not see any other reason for them proposing it.
That is other than them being under the control of this secret cabal "re-setting the world order" I think is the phrase generally used.:cool:

Captain_Crash · 13-11-2020 04:32PM

One thing about the Ticketmaster thing that makes me think it won’t actually come to pass is that a large portion of attendees at any given event are people who went on a whim! The ones who heard on the radio on a wed “Lady Gomez live in the O2 this Friday! Limited tickets still available”

For a concert in a large venue it could be upwards of 1000 people, probably more, who go last minute. Making a vaccine mandatory to attend immediately kills that trade....! I’m not aware of any business who voluntarily reduces the size of their very own market!

It also kills ticket reselling sites such as Viagogo etc, several of which Ticketmaster also own! Turkeys don’t vote for xmas!

Johnboy1951 · 13-11-2020 05:05PM

Originally Posted by Johnboy1951
Yes it raises a financial barrier which only affects the less well off in society!

Ah yes, keep the less privilaged out of the pubs.

There is a huge number of people who cannot afford to 'eat out', so keep those out of the pubs.

All sounds rather elitist to me.

nofools wrote: »

This is really scraping the barrel looking for things to complain about.

You appear to forget "we are all in this together" mantra ......... obviously not all of us!

CalamariFritti · 13-11-2020 05:05PM

nofools wrote: »

Have a twix or something. Stop pretending eating out is some god given right

Just on that.

EVERYTHING is a god given right. Its what we call freedom.
Restricting freedom is a big deal. Possibly one of the biggest there is. Even temporarily restricting freedom where necessary for the public good must therefore be proportionate and appropriate and hold up to the utmost scrutiny.

Nphet and Tony seem way too comfortable in their new found role of the nations tough love daddy.

end of the road · 13-11-2020 05:17PM

brisan wrote: »

They are if you depend on it for a living

of course but that in itself isn't enough in terms of a pandemic situation and controlling and minimising the spread of a serious virus.
ultimately what is likely to determine as to whether something is essential or not is whether the public can survive without them, which they can, just like pubs etc.
realistically we have to prioritise keeping things open that we really, really need for now, and then once things are relaxed open the next layer of stuff.

end of the road · 13-11-2020 05:24PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Just on that.

EVERYTHING is a god given right. Its what we call freedom.
Restricting freedom is a big deal. Possibly one of the biggest there is. Even temporarily restricting freedom where necessary for the public good must therefore be proportionate and appropriate and hold up to the utmost scrutiny.

Nphet and Tony seem way too comfortable in their new found role of the nations tough love daddy.

good, stable and steady clear heads are what we need to guide us through this situation.
people who are comfortable with making the difficult decisions so that we can minimise the damage, who can look at the evidence and work accordingly.
reactionaries are never a good thing in a time of crisis.

13-11-2020 05:26PM

Xmas is a huge milestone for Tony, if he can keep the country under wraps at Xmas, kiss goodbye to another year of bank holidays and normality.
I for one will be doing things as normal, not the new Normal.

3xh · 13-11-2020 05:46PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

One thing about the Ticketmaster thing that makes me think it won’t actually come to pass is that a large portion of attendees at any given event are people who went on a whim! The ones who heard on the radio on a wed “Lady Gomez live in the O2 this Friday! Limited tickets still available”

For a concert in a large venue it could be upwards of 1000 people, probably more, who go last minute. Making a vaccine mandatory to attend immediately kills that trade....! I’m not aware of any business who voluntarily reduces the size of their very own market!

It also kills ticket reselling sites such as Viagogo etc, several of which Ticketmaster also own! Turkeys don’t vote for xmas!

There’d be some truth to that, certainly.

But with increasing uptake of a Covid vaccine, those on-a-whim buyers will have the vaccine on their eHealth database anyway. If not, some will chance a last minute antigen test if they’re feeling fine and up for a night out.

Coybig_ · 13-11-2020 05:57PM

What are the odds that this 8 year old piece regarding a vaccine that Tony Holohan told people to take, and helped to protect the companies who rushed it through, yet gave devastating side effects to some, will become relevant over the coming years?

History to repeat itself?

https://www.thejournal.ie/government-official-defends-indemnity-for-swine-flue-vaccine-makers-423613-Apr2012/

Ginger n Lemon · 13-11-2020 06:00PM

Coybig_ wrote: »

What are the odds that this 8 year old piece regarding a vaccine that Tony Holohan told people to take, and helped to protect the companies who rushed it through, yet gave devastating side effects to some, will become relevant over the coming years?

History to repeat itself?

https://www.thejournal.ie/government-official-defends-indemnity-for-swine-flue-vaccine-makers-423613-Apr2012/

You are posting too much sense.

You ll be called antivaxxer in 3 2 1

road_high · 13-11-2020 06:08PM

rusty cole wrote: »

Xmas is a huge milestone for Tony, if he can keep the country under wraps at Xmas, kiss goodbye to another year of bank holidays and normality.
I for one will be doing things as normal, not the new Normal.

I agree with you but the problems are many- shops, cafes, restaurants, cinema, theatre, hairdressers, travel etc etc practically everything we’d use normally to socialise is all shuttered as per St Tony’s “very worried” dictates. I’d have a normal Xmas in the morning but it’s impossible with the mania and lunatic fringe currently running things. I’m resigned to a quiet non existent Christmas with close family. My heart breaks for people forcibly separated abroad and also stuck here away from loved ones

MadYaker · 13-11-2020 06:08PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

One thing about the Ticketmaster thing that makes me think it won’t actually come to pass is that a large portion of attendees at any given event are people who went on a whim! The ones who heard on the radio on a wed “Lady Gomez live in the O2 this Friday! Limited tickets still available”

For a concert in a large venue it could be upwards of 1000 people, probably more, who go last minute. Making a vaccine mandatory to attend immediately kills that trade....! I’m not aware of any business who voluntarily reduces the size of their very own market!

It also kills ticket reselling sites such as Viagogo etc, several of which Ticketmaster also own! Turkeys don’t vote for xmas!

This isn't true vast majority of tickets for gigs are sold way in advance. For most of the events ticketmaster run they put tickets on sale a year in advance or more. They wouldn't be doing that if people weren't buying them.

Running events and making people get a test beforehand is better than running no events and making no money so I wouldn't say it's a turkeys voting for xmas scenario at all.

Anything that hastens the demise of sites like viagogo can only be a good thing.

brisan · 13-11-2020 06:23PM

end of the road wrote: »

of course but that in itself isn't enough in terms of a pandemic situation and controlling and minimising the spread of a serious virus.
ultimately what is likely to determine as to whether something is essential or not is whether the public can survive without them, which they can, just like pubs etc.
realistically we have to prioritise keeping things open that we really, really need for now, and then once things are relaxed open the next layer of stuff.

I have no interest in merely surviving
I have worked hard for 43 years .
I want to live my life
I want to drive to Dalkey
I want to walk Howth head and go into the Bloody stream for a bite to eat and a few pints
I want to live my life what's left of it

iamwhoiam · 13-11-2020 06:29PM

brisan wrote: »

I have no interest in merely surviving
I have worked hard for 43 years .
I want to live my life
I want to drive to Dalkey
I want to walk Howth head and go into the Bloody stream for a bite to eat and a few pints
I want to live my life what's left of it

I worked hard for 46 years . I want to see my grown up kids who live abroad and my new grandchild . But I fully understand that right now I cant .
I want to walk on a beach but I cant right now . So I accept that and find a park to walk in .
Because I am an adult and understand the reason why I just cant

brisan · 13-11-2020 06:37PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I worked hard for 46 years . I want to see my grown up kids who live abroad and my new grandchild . But I fully understand that right now I cant .
I want to walk on a beach but I cant right now . So I accept that and find a park to walk in .
Because I am an adult and understand the reason why I just cant

Considering the number of people who get covid in hospital compared to in the community you are safer walking the beach
Restrictions are grand once there are reasons behind them ,there are little or reasons behind some of the new ones
Do you honestly think people will not come home ,or travel to their family homes in the country for Christmas

Cyrus · 13-11-2020 06:44PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I worked hard for 46 years . I want to see my grown up kids who live abroad and my new grandchild . But I fully understand that right now I cant .
I want to walk on a beach but I cant right now . So I accept that and find a park to walk in .
Because I am an adult and understand the reason why I just cant

Walking on a beach regardless of how far it is from your house just rank up there with one of the safest things to do.

Captain_Crash · 13-11-2020 06:45PM

MadYaker wrote: »

This isn't true vast majority of tickets for gigs are sold way in advance. For most of the events ticketmaster run they put tickets on sale a year in advance or more. They wouldn't be doing that if people weren't buying them.

Running events and making people get a test beforehand is better than running no events and making no money so I wouldn't say it's a turkeys voting for xmas scenario at all.

Anything that hastens the demise of sites like viagogo can only be a good thing.

No one is doubting that most are sold waaaaay in advance and only a small % are last minute! But a quick google search shows that in Ireland in 2016 over 3 million event tickets were sold!

If a conservative estimate of only 5% of tickets sold are last minute that’s 150,000 people! That’s a lot of business! And sure don’t ticketmaster normally hold a large number of tickets back purely to cater for the last minute market in an effort to stop touting?

That doesn’t even account for resold tickets which have a much higher number of last minute purchasers (as it’s the primary business mode of such resellers).

Again, I’m not suggesting most people are last minute, but that a lot of people are last minute!

GazzaL · 13-11-2020 06:49PM

I haven't watched or listened to Irish COVID news in months at this stage. It's a complete load of bollocks. Get on with your lives and don't be a filthy animal #WashYourHands

road_high · 13-11-2020 06:54PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I worked hard for 46 years . I want to see my grown up kids who live abroad and my new grandchild . But I fully understand that right now I cant .
I want to walk on a beach but I cant right now . So I accept that and find a park to walk in .
Because I am an adult and understand the reason why I just cant

Sorry to tell you but the reality is you’re giving all that up for nothing. It’s clear you’ve bought into the “pain will be all worth it” narrative and perhaps that keeps people sane and going- some of the stuff you outline is completely illogical in the context of a respiratory virus but I doubt you’ll be convinced otherwise.

suicide_circus · 13-11-2020 07:02PM

road_high wrote: »

Sorry to tell you but the reality is you’re giving all that up for nothing. It’s clear you’ve bought into the “pain will be all worth it” narrative and perhaps that keeps people sane and going- some of the stuff you outline is completely illogical in the context of a respiratory virus but I doubt you’ll be convinced otherwise.

Its quasi religious - the hairshirt, redemption through suffering.

iamwhoiam · 13-11-2020 07:16PM

Cyrus wrote: »

Walking on a beach regardless of how far it is from your house just rank up there with one of the safest things to do.

I agree with you but am sticking to the 5 kms

SusieBlue · 13-11-2020 07:21PM

Have a friend living in Toronto who just had her 3rd flight home for Christmas next month cancelled. The airline are telling her that the dithering of the government is making it impossible for them to schedule anything and that the extremely high levels of uncertainty around travel next month means that even if she books yet another flight, there’s no guarantee it will go ahead.

She also has has to wait 12 weeks for refunds for her 3 cancelled flights, and as these were to be transatlantic journeys in the run up to Christmas, she’s thousands of dollars out of pocket.

She’s desperate to come home but she can’t afford to wait 3 months for a refund for a fourth cancelled flight.
It’s a disgraceful situation and I’m sure she isn’t the only one in such a predicament by a long stretch.

This is yet another example of how confident leadership is seriously lacking, it’s mid November now and people need to know what’s happening next month. They can’t expect to hold people to ransom like this, and for us to tolerate it.

iamwhoiam · 13-11-2020 07:21PM

road_high wrote: »

Sorry to tell you but the reality is you’re giving all that up for nothing. It’s clear you’ve bought into the “pain will be all worth it” narrative and perhaps that keeps people sane and going- some of the stuff you outline is completely illogical in the context of a respiratory virus but I doubt you’ll be convinced otherwise.

I do what I feel is best for me and for my family . I am well capable of risk assessment and will do what I feel is in my best interest
You do what you want to too

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings