Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

paw patrol · 12-11-2020 10:44AM

Poorside wrote: »

Let me ask, do you use any state facilities?

yes - I pay for them , through taxes, so why wouldn't I use them?

I'm not against state services in fact I think some should always remain state funded but I think most are hugely deficient (bar revenue..funny that

) and our elected representatives / leadership are self servicing cowards and/or inept .

Our taxes are wasted to a huge degree but that's a massive debate for another thread.

Whiplash85 · 12-11-2020 10:45AM

Can you imagine been a young under graduate and being taught by the likes of Ryan, Kileen, Staines etc...
At least you would learn reality and academia are not good bedfellows.

pjohnson · 12-11-2020 10:45AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

For someone who's not anti-vax you're hitting a pretty high number of the standard antivaxxer talking points.

Sure no anti-vax is anti-vax according to themselves they just happen to spout exactly what anti-vax do :pac:

Poorside · 12-11-2020 10:46AM

paw patrol wrote: »

yes - I pay for them , through taxes, so why wouldn't I use them?

I'm not against state services in fact I think some should always remain state funded but I think most are hugely deficient (bar revenue..funny that ) and our elected representatives / leadership are self servicing cowards and/or inept .

Our taxes are wasted to a huge degree but that's a massive debate for another thread.

Good to know.

Captain_Crash · 12-11-2020 10:48AM

paw patrol wrote: »

i wish my gym did this

Only regulars and strictly invite only for now, and we've to pay a premium. But if you look around you'll find somewhere. I personally know of several open (for obvious reasons I'm not going to disclose them, but they can be found)

Gael23 · 12-11-2020 10:50AM

Pressure coming on MM to go to level 2 on Dec 1st

12-11-2020 10:50AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Sure no anti-vax is anti-vax according to themselves they just happen to spout exactly what anti-vax do :pac:

As a Doctor myself (obviously), I'm going to concoct up something special for you. If you refuse to inject it, we'll call you mean names like "anti-vax" :pac:

Are you cured now?

dalyboy · 12-11-2020 10:52AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, sheep are weak and will consent, no questions asked. Again, that's why the 1% call them 'serfs'.

If enough of the rest of us just say "I do not consent", we might be alright.

I reckon a certain north county crisp maker regrets ever signing up to “Health” passport Ireland.
The public outrage and social media vilification to their cooperation with this Orwellian like company gives me hope.

Stormyteacup · 12-11-2020 10:54AM

Seweryn wrote: »

I don't think anti-vax is the right term. People need to have a choice and decide for themselves. The majority of people have anti mandatory vax mind (rather than just anti-vax), which is perfectly in their rights.
Before we take an injection with something produced by one of the mentioned companies I believe we should also educate ourselves of these companies. They have a terrible safety records which can be listed if anyone is interested.
Making a vaccine in a few months instead of many years (as it normally takes) massively increases the dangers. Some serious side effects do not appear for years after vaccination. Giving a relatively untested vaccine to seven billion people (as is planned with the Cov. vaccine) may result in thousands dying or being made seriously ill.

Just for the record - not anti-vax, but wasn’t there a case in the media recently about the young lad who suffered side effects from swine flu vaccine. Think they reported another 80 or so claimants in the wings after his successful case.

It was also a rushed vaccine.

Having reservations about hurried vaccine development is rational.

mikekerry · 12-11-2020 10:59AM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Just for the record - not anti-vax, but wasn’t there a case in the media recently about the young lad who suffered side effects from swine flu vaccine. Think they reported another 80 or so claimants in the wings after his successful case.

It was also a rushed vaccine.

Having reservations about hurried vaccine development is rational.

https://www.thejournal.ie/swine-flu-narcolepsy-court-cases-4578353-Apr2019/

and hoolahan has plenty of very serious questions that he hasn't even being asked on this
That's another story..

12-11-2020 10:59AM

Normally I hate conspiracy theories but so many in positions of power are using this pandemic to push their own agendas and it is very clear to anyone with 2 functioning eyes.

Our CMO has very strong and negative opinions on alcohol. Guess what... we are the only country in all of Europe to have pubs closed for over half a year. The gastro pubs was more of a loophole that government couldn’t stop.

If you’ve been reading these threads and following the news, you have probably heard people mentioning that Ireland should move away from alcohol and more towards dining out. An agenda that is pushed over and over again.

People are so afraid of Covid that they actually wanted the Garda to have powers to break into your private property if they suspected you had a visitor over.

Very unsettling times. It’s going to be hard and requires strong leadership to put these numpties and their agendas back in their boxes.

12-11-2020 11:08AM

Waylon Petite Shower wrote: »

Hi, I can't understand why anyone could possibly have an issue with this and even more so for travel. I think most sensible people would heavily support this and leave the conspiracy theorists to go crazy over it. I really have no tolerance at all for anti vaccination opinions, they are dangerous and ignorant.

pjohnson · 12-11-2020 11:10AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not anti-vax indeed boys.

12-11-2020 11:17AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Not anti-vax indeed boys.

I think you're missing the whole point repeatedly :pac:

Anyway, you go get your rushed, not long-term tested, brand new RNA tech vaccines. Twice annually. Come back in 2022 after a fair few doses and let us know you're still alive. God forbid the Covid gets you

DSN · 12-11-2020 11:18AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Pressure coming on MM to go to level 2 on Dec 1st

There will have to be some elements of level 2 surely. People are going to visit families & do certain amount of socializing at Christmas regardless of rules & level 3 does not provide for that. Best we can hope for is people keep it small & with the same few households.

pjohnson · 12-11-2020 11:19AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think you're missing the whole point repeatedly :pac:

Anyway, you go get your rushed, not long-term tested, brand new RNA tech vaccines. Twice annually. Come back in 2022 after a fair few doses and let us know you're still alive. God forbid the Covid gets you

Not really. You are one of those "new world order" conspiracists.

mikekerry · 12-11-2020 11:21AM

DSN wrote: »

There will have to be some elements of level 2 surely. People are going to visit families & do certain amount of socializing at Christmas regardless of rules & level 3 does not provide for that. Best we can hope for is people keep it small & with the same few households.

Can you not see that's what they want people to do have a little hope that they will ease the restrictions to let the peasants enjoy a little xmas.
go see your family if you want do not let some numpty in power tell you who you can and can't see.
We'll all be dead some day and for the vast , vast majority of us it won't be covid that will get us.

darconio · 12-11-2020 11:28AM

Waylon Petite Shower wrote: »

Hi, I can't understand why anyone could possibly have an issue with this and even more so for travel. I think most sensible people would heavily support this and leave the conspiracy theorists to go crazy over it. I really have no tolerance at all for anti vaccination opinions, they are dangerous and ignorant.

Also you made a point about people not "needing" the vaccine, I dont think you understand vaccines being honest as the idea is to vaccinate as many people as possible in order totally suppress a virus its not just to stop vulnerable people from getting it. Even more so since every day there is new evidence that covid is having long term effects for people both young and old, healthy or vulnerable. Its amazing how willing some posters appear to be to catch covid and all the risks that go with it.

You see I have nothing against you or anybody else wanting to feel safe by getting a jab of an unknown substance in order to convince themselves that they won't get the deadly virus.

I am contesting the fact that you would like to take away my freedom of choice, surely if you and me are at the same concert, or the same plane, and you are vaccinated, why should you be afraid?
Every day new evidence that Covid has long term effects? There were entire football teams tested positive: in less than 2 weeks they were on the pitch like nothing happened. Ronaldo was positive and scored last night, I would have thousand examples, but I think at this stage is not anymore about believing in facts, but believing in what we are told to believe.

12-11-2020 11:31AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Not really. You are one of those "new world order" conspiracists.

Why don't you go ask Joe Biden about your "New World Order". He mentions it twice in the first minute here :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oWYOLglJ_o

Stop dragging the thread off topic anyway; let's keep on track.

zf0wqv9oemuasj · 12-11-2020 11:33AM

darconio wrote: »

You see I have nothing against you or anybody else wanting to feel safe by getting a jab of an unknown substance in order to convince themselves that they won't get the deadly virus.

I am contesting the fact that you would like to take away my freedom of choice, surely if you and me are at the same concert, or the same plane, and you are vaccinated, why should you be afraid?
Every day new evidence that Covid has long term effects? There were entire football teams tested positive: in less than 2 weeks they were on the pitch like nothing happened. Ronaldo was positive and scored last night, I would have thousand examples, but I think at this stage is not anymore about believing in facts, but believing in what we are told to believe.

Hi, here is the latest in a long list of reports looking at long term impacts. 1 in 17 could be impacted by these disorders which is millions of people worldwide on top of the effects from the virus itself and so on.

funnydoggy · 12-11-2020 11:34AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why don't you go ask Joe Biden about your "New World Order". He mentions it twice in the first minute here :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oWYOLglJ_o

Stop dragging the thread off topic anyway; let's keep on track.

This is the relaxation of restrictions thread, you're being off topic with your conspiracy theory posts my dude

Stormyteacup · 12-11-2020 11:34AM

Waylon Petite Shower wrote: »

Hi, I can't understand why anyone could possibly have an issue with this and even more so for travel. I think most sensible people would heavily support this and leave the conspiracy theorists to go crazy over it. I really have no tolerance at all for anti vaccination opinions, they are dangerous and ignorant.

Also you made a point about people not "needing" the vaccine, I dont think you understand vaccines being honest as the idea is to vaccinate as many people as possible in order totally suppress a virus its not just to stop vulnerable people from getting it. Even more so since every day there is new evidence that covid is having long term effects for people both young and old, healthy or vulnerable. Its amazing how willing some posters appear to be to catch covid and all the risks that go with it.

Sounds reasonable enough - if an effective vaccine is available with no dangerous side-effects then I wouldn’t have an issue taking it to protect the vulnerable in society.

But proof of vaccination for admittance to a concert or mandatory vaccination to leave the country?

By that rationale all pubs, restaurants, schools and universities, indoor sports and recreation incl gyms would require your health passport for admission.

And when the next novel virus emerges it will be big business to get that vaccine added to the mandatory list.

Very unsettling road to start travelling on.

Necro · 12-11-2020 11:38AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why don't you go ask Joe Biden about your "New World Order". He mentions it twice in the first minute here :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oWYOLglJ_o

Stop dragging the thread off topic anyway; let's keep on track.

Mod:

You can take your off-topic posts to another thread - Do not post in this one again

Thierry12 · 12-11-2020 11:43AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Pressure coming on MM to go to level 2 on Dec 1st

Too right

Controlling Covid is piss easy

1200 cases to 200 cases in 2 weeks proves that

Level 2 up to 1000 cases a day and then level 3 to get it down to 500-600 case would be my plan

Covid rises so slowly, you need to be asleep at the wheel and an absolute moron to let it catch you

We will be into Feb with vaccines all around us by the time it rises to over 1200 cases a day with level 2

Government need to wake up and realise we had level 1-2 for months till Covid caught any steam and then we killed it with level 3/5

AssetBacked2 · 12-11-2020 11:44AM

mikekerry wrote: »

Let all the politicians , the heads of the pharma companies and bill gates take them first and if no effects for a year I'll happily take it then until then they can take a hike.

There was a story in the Daily Mail yesterday trying to murky this argument. It went along the lines of "VIPs won't be given priority for vaccine", attempting to convey an argument that this vaccine is for everyone and the rich / important people won't be given a preference at the behest of the plebiscite. The context was in relation to the Queen, who of course is in an extremely high risk category and they were trying to argue that she won't be given priority over the common man.

However, I am cynical, so I read that as an unwillingness for our leaders to step up and take the vaccine first. By right, Leo, Michael D, Tony H, the Queen, Bono, Bill Gates etc. should all be recorded taking the first publicly available vaccines. The only way this will work is public buy in which requires public trust. If we do not see our leaders taking the vaccine at the top of the queue, they can eff-off until I'm over 70 and become at risk to covid.

AssetBacked2 · 12-11-2020 11:46AM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Too right

Controlling Covid is piss easy

1200 cases to 200 cases in 2 weeks proves that

Level 2 up to 1000 cases a day and then level 3 to get it down to 500-600 case would be my plan

Covid rises so slowly, you need to be asleep at the wheel and an absolute moron to let it catch you

We will be into Feb with vaccines all around us by the time it rises to over 1200 cases a day with level 2

Government need to wake up and realise we had level 1-2 for months till Covid caught any steam and then we killed it with level 3/5

It's great that lockdown works well and works instantly. As such, they should realise from the first lockdown that going into lockdown for 3/4 weeks enables us to go back to at least 2, if not level 1. However, I do not understand how they are still employing a "wait and see" approach. Anyone can see that lockdown causes cases to drop dramatically in a short space of time.

This kite-flying of level 3 or level 2 with added restrictions etc. is such nonsense. It is indecisive and unhelpful for people and businesses to try to plan their lives in order to "live with covid".

Hector Savage · 12-11-2020 11:52AM

Waylon Petite Shower wrote: »

Hi, as I said in a post which I made a few pages back I think it is very unfair to make people feel bad for the fact they are happy for things to continue as they are since they are benefitting and so on.

Going back to the office means stress, commutes, less money, children seeing less of their parents and so on. These people are fully entitled to be happy with their situation and I think it reflects very poorly on you for your attitude towards them.

As a person who spent much of the week away from my wife and child due to work (as in many nights most weeks) the last 9 months or so have very very beneficial for us and I refuse to be made feel I am wrong to be happy for this much improved situation.

I personally feel very bad for those out of work and I am not one for going overboard in my opinion on any aspect of the lockdown or positives/negatives but I feel what I’ve said needs to be highlighted

Great that that works for you, my problem is the little jackboots that want this forced on all of society ..

Hector Savage · 12-11-2020 12:04PM

https://twitter.com/DesmondSwayne/status/1326637874469593089?s=20

bucketybuck · 12-11-2020 12:12PM

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

It's great that lockdown works well and works instantly. As such, they should realise from the first lockdown that going into lockdown for 3/4 weeks enables us to go back to at least 2, if not level 1.

Its just such a shame that lockdown destroys the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. If it wasn't for that it would be a great thing.

Stormyteacup · 12-11-2020 12:14PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Its just such a shame that lockdown destroys the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. If it wasn't for that it would be a great thing.

Yes if there’s a problem with how our society is structured with relation to work-life balance, then this is something that needs to be tackled independently of Covid.

It’s good that these issues have been brought to the fore and change is welcome if it means a happier and more fulfilling life for some workers.

Currently though, those benefits are at the expense of hundreds of thousands trying to survive financially.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings