Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Johnboy1951

normanoffside wrote: »

I’ve looked again and it still seems to work in places.
Does this link help?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Kn_OseTbk&feature=youtu.be

Thanks, that is working.

bush

The way the numbers are going down there will be no reason not to go to at least 2.5 but look what happened in the summer. I expect the worst at this stage it makes it more bearable.

bloopy

dalyboy wrote: »

I reckon a certain north county crisp maker regrets ever signing up to “Health” passport Ireland.
The public outrage and social media vilification to their cooperation with this Orwellian like company gives me hope.

What happened here?
I appear to be out of the loop.

TRANQUILLO

Deleted User wrote: »

Told you, it's already started. Ticketmaster will require proof of test/vax through digital health pass to enter events:

"Ticketmaster announced their plans for screening fans before they attended events, which will rely on the Ticketmaster digital ticket app, third party health information companies like CLEAR Health Pass or IBM’s Digital Health Pass, and testing and vaccine distribution providers like Labcorp and the CVS Minute Clinic.

Once a fan receives a COVID-19 vaccine or tests negative for the disease within the 24-72 hour window, a health pass company will deliver that information to Ticketmaster, allowing entry to the event. There is currently no date for when Ticketmaster will no longer require COVID-19 precautions".

https://loudwire.com/ticketmaster-covid-19-vaccination-negative-test/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral

It will be air travel and everything else next. If everyone just said "no", this would be scrapped. But there's too many sheep who'll give in after prolonged lockdowns. As I explained earlier, a large point of the unnecessary, continued lockdowns was to demoralize people into accepting measures they would of never previously. By the end of this, you'll be tracked in as many ways as possible -- all in the name of public safety

I hope all the people who subscribed to the "my body my choice" ideology from the referendum here show compassion to the folk who are reticent to inject a rushed vaccine into themselves.............

Anti vaxxers some will shout, but we didnt shout "anti child bearers" at the pro choice people.

There is way more nuance to the debate around health passports and all that it entails.

Dismissing it out of hand is low rent and insulting.

Ticketmasters stance is the thin end of the wedge for me and we will have a society of insiders and outsiders . The outsiders will find it hard to travel, find employment, go to a gig, go to croke park for a match etc.

Its essentially a passive aggressive coercion into a vaccine as you will be excluded from enjoyable aspects of life if you abstain from receiving it. Thats insidious and should be resisted by society en masse.



And what i don't get is......Say you have a gig of 500 people. 250 are vaccinated and 250 choose not to be. We cant infect the people who are vaccinated. We can only infect the other 250 selfish murderers who want to kill all the grannies.

So those who are really fearful are protected and the rest who don't give a ****e about Covid are happy out. Everybody wins no? if YOU are vaccinated then you don't need to worry about ME not being vaccinated.

Stormyteacup

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Thanks, that is working.

Thank you - had missed this being posted earlier.

What a brave man. I think Covid history will look kindly on him in the aftermath and analysis, as it will less kindly on Tony Holohan and politicians.

TRANQUILLO

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Thank you - had missed this being posted earlier.

What a brave man. I think Covid history will look kindly on him in the aftermath and analysis, as it will less kindly on Tony Holohan and politicians.

We are inventing a product (the vaccine) that everyone in the world "needs" or will be compelled to use via coercion or peer pressure.

This product will be mandated or suggested to be used by all genders,creeds,races and ages.

There is big money in this. The biggest money ever in all likely hood.

To think there isn't pressure being exerted at some level politically whether in the US or WHO or at a local level is naive of people.

polesheep

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

I hope all the people who subscribed to the "my body my choice" ideology from the referendum here show compassion to the folk who are reticent to inject a rushed vaccine into themselves.............

Anti vaxxers some will shout, but we didnt shout "anti child bearers" at the pro choice people.

There is way more nuance to the debate around health passports and all that it entails.

Dismissing it out of hand is low rent and insulting.

Ticketmasters stance is the thin end of the wedge for me and we will have a society of insiders and outsiders . The outsiders will find it hard to travel, find employment, go to a gig, go to croke park for a match etc.

Its essentially a passive aggressive coercion into a vaccine as you will be excluded from enjoyable aspects of life if you abstain from receiving it. Thats insidious and should be resisted by society en masse.



And what i don't get is......Say you have a gig of 500 people. 250 are vaccinated and 250 choose not to be. We cant infect the people who are vaccinated. We can only infect the other 250 selfish murderers who want to kill all the grannies.

So those who are really fearful are protected and the rest who don't give a ****e about Covid are happy out. Everybody wins no? if YOU are vaccinated then you don't need to worry about ME not being vaccinated.

Ignoring conspiracy theory nonsense, just look for who has skin in the game. I think you'll find that whoever in Ticketmaster made that decision has someone very close to them who is vulnerable. It's the same with our own CMO. Throughout this pandemic I have noticed how, gradually, those with skin in the game reveal themselves. For example, here on Boards a lot of those who were most vociferously in favour of the toughest restrictions gradually revealed themselves to either be vulnerable or close to someone who is. These same people will advocate for continued mask wearing after the Covid pandemic is over.

TRANQUILLO

polesheep wrote: »

These same people will advocate for continued mask wearing after the Covid pandemic is over.

I'll lose my **** if that is suggested....it's something ive worried about to be honest. That some of this nonsense is here forever.

polesheep

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

I'll lose my **** if that is suggested....it's something ive worried about to be honest. That some of this nonsense is here forever.

I very much doubt it, but that doesn't mean some won't advocate for it.

Johnboy1951

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

We are inventing a product (the vaccine) that everyone in the world "needs" or will be compelled to use via coercion or peer pressure.

This product will be mandated or suggested to be used by all genders,creeds,races and ages.

There is big money in this. The biggest money ever in all likely hood.

To think there isn't pressure being exerted at some level politically whether in the US or WHO or at a local level is naive of people.

If I am recalling correctly, these new vaccines are using a technology that has never before been used in a vaccine.
This gives me no confidence at all

Pfizer and German partner BioNTech have said no serious safety concerns were found so far ...

https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/companies/arid-40080311.html


That alone would indicate that EXTREME caution should be applied to its approval for general use.
Instead we will get rushed trials, short term only, and apparently a situation where it will be near forced upon all.

That is scary!
Definitely it is unacceptable to a large number of people who have given this much thought.

normanoffside

Interesting Aericle

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40080437.html


Government departments are closely monitoring social media and keeping detailed accounts of topics that have criticised and praised them throughout the pandemic.

Through Freedom of Information requests, the Irish Examiner has seen hundreds of pages of analysis from the Department of Health and Department of Education on Twitter, Reddit, and message board activity on issues concerning their departments.

AssetBacked2

Well I certainly hope they didn't place too much emphasis on Twitter and Reddit as groupthink is very much prevalent there. The level of discussion on Boards is far more open and offers just as much attention to competing views.

3xh

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

There was a story in the Daily Mail yesterday trying to murky this argument. It went along the lines of "VIPs won't be given priority for vaccine", attempting to convey an argument that this vaccine is for everyone and the rich / important people won't be given a preference at the behest of the plebiscite. The context was in relation to the Queen, who of course is in an extremely high risk category and they were trying to argue that she won't be given priority over the common man.

However, I am cynical, so I read that as an unwillingness for our leaders to step up and take the vaccine first. By right, Leo, Michael D, Tony H, the Queen, Bono, Bill Gates etc. should all be recorded taking the first publicly available vaccines. The only way this will work is public buy in which requires public trust. If we do not see our leaders taking the vaccine at the top of the queue, they can eff-off until I'm over 70 and become at risk to covid.

Yep. And still joe soap will believe it. And Tubridy and co will remind us why that’s the better policy than these ‘VIPs’ taking it first so we shouldn’t be entertaining the idea of queue jumpers.

I would say, even if they did do such a publicity stunt like Claire Byrne did recently, getting her flu jab on air, I’d still be sceptical that it is the real/same Covid vaccine as us plebs would get in time.

normanoffside

14 Hospital acquired covid patients yesterday meaning that instead of dropping by 9 as they should have, the number of patients in Hospital with Covid actually went up by 5

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1326831044935475200

TomTomTim

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

Well I certainly hope they didn't place too much emphasis on Twitter and Reddit as groupthink is very much prevalent there. The level of discussion on Boards is far more open and offers just as much attention to competing views.

What's the world coming to when boards is one of the more balanced sites.

copeyhagen

the only thing tha annoys me about the masks is im wearing conact lenses WAY more often now. i used to wear them daily until about two eyars ago when i noticed my vision was ****ed in the evenings. so i started wearing glasses more than the contacts, but now, if i know i have to go shops or anything im wearing the contacts as the glasses fog up no mater what mask or method ive tried..

cannot wait now until the masks are not required.

charlie14

Deleted User wrote: »

Told you, it's already started. Ticketmaster will require proof of test/vax through digital health pass to enter events:

"Ticketmaster announced their plans for screening fans before they attended events, which will rely on the Ticketmaster digital ticket app, third party health information companies like CLEAR Health Pass or IBM’s Digital Health Pass, and testing and vaccine distribution providers like Labcorp and the CVS Minute Clinic.

Once a fan receives a COVID-19 vaccine or tests negative for the disease within the 24-72 hour window, a health pass company will deliver that information to Ticketmaster, allowing entry to the event. There is currently no date for when Ticketmaster will no longer require COVID-19 precautions".

https://loudwire.com/ticketmaster-covid-19-vaccination-negative-test/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral

It will be air travel and everything else next. If everyone just said "no", this would be scrapped. But there's too many sheep who'll give in after prolonged lockdowns. As I explained earlier, a large point of the unnecessary, continued lockdowns was to demoralize people into accepting measures they would of never previously. By the end of this, you'll be tracked in as many ways as possible -- all in the name of public safety

I didn`t see anything that takes away your freedom of choice. If you do not wish to take a test or get vaccinated you are still free to do so.
You seem to be of the misguide belief that this is a modern phenomena, the brain child of some mysterious cabal that has somehow established world dominance where every government and organisation is now under their control.



Throughout history quarantine and restrictions have been the norm in attempting to combat the spread of infectious diseases.The Ticketmaster plan, or others in the same vane that I can see being forthcoming when vaccinations become widely available, will not impose anything on you you do not wish to do. You will have three choices. Get vaccinated, take a test, or do neither. Every choice has consequences. What those are will still be entirely up to you.

polesheep

charlie14 wrote: »

I didn`t see anything that takes away your freedom of choice. If you do not wish to take a test or get vaccinated you are still free to do so.
You seem to be of the misguide belief that this is a modern phenomena, the brain child of some mysterious cabal that has somehow established world dominance where every government and organisation is now under their control.



Throughout history quarantine and restrictions have been the norm in attempting to combat the spread of infectious diseases.The Ticketmaster plan, or others in the same vane that I can see being forthcoming when vaccinations become widely available, will not impose anything on you you do not wish to do. You will have three choices. Get vaccinated, take a test, or do neither. Every choice has consequences. What those are will still be entirely up to you.

What Ticketmaster is attempting to do is precisely what you and others insisted should NOT be done during the pandemic i.e. isolate one group and exclude them from society.

mikekerry

charlie14 wrote: »

I didn`t see anything that takes away your freedom of choice. If you do not wish to take a test or get vaccinated you are still free to do so.
You seem to be of the misguide belief that this is a modern phenomena, the brain child of some mysterious cabal that has somehow established world dominance where every government and organisation is now under their control.



Throughout history quarantine and restrictions have been the norm in attempting to combat the spread of infectious diseases.The Ticketmaster plan, or others in the same vane that I can see being forthcoming when vaccinations become widely available, will not impose anything on you you do not wish to do. You will have three choices. Get vaccinated, take a test, or do neither. Every choice has consequences. What those are will still be entirely up to you.

Huge pressure will be put on people to take a vaccine that has not being long-term tested to be rolled out to the world to the benefit of a small number of people to make multi trillions profit from it.
I would guess and this is only a guess that after a few months they will drop the test choice and it will be jab only to get into events, travel and maybe worse ( certain jobs).
People that won't submit to jabs will be encouraged to be ostracised from society.
everyone ok with this?

JDD

These continued restrictions, post vaccine, like what Ticketmaster have suggested, will in all likelihood only apply if there is a low uptake of the vaccine.

If 40% of the population take the vaccine, and 60% decide not to then we still have a significant chance that our hospitals will be overrun by the infected, especially in circumstances where we return to packed public transport, packed pubs, house parties etc etc.

I implore people who think the vaccine is rushed to read the vaccine thread. Every vaccine that has ever been developed in the past 100 years would also have been developed and approved within the same 12 month timeframe, had the same amount of money, resources and priority been applied to them as has been applied to the current batch of contenders.

Anyone is of course perfectly within their rights to refuse to take the vaccine. However, from a public policy perspective, if there is too many of these people, and a good vaccine is available, then we can't risk everyone's health by having our health system overrun. We can't continue with lockdowns, so some other tool will have to be used.

Either we allow private companies to discriminate based on a health passport, or we make those who refuse to take the vaccine without a health reason pay for their health treatment, should they become infected and need hospitalisation. The average stay in hospital is ten days, the average cost for a hospital bed is about €800 per night. So either you pay for it out of your health insurance or it is taken by way of increased tax over the next five years directly from your pay packet by the exchequer.

That way everyone is happy. You can continue with your right to bodily integrity, can continue to enjoy life, but will have to pay for any covid hospital treatment from your own back pocket. If you are in your 20's and early 30's then the chances you'll have to pay €8,000 for treatment are small. If you are in your 40's or 50's, well, maybe the prospect of having to pay for treatment might put your skepticism regarding the vaccine in sharper focus. You may continue to decide to not take the vaccine, which again, is very much your prerogative.

road_high

bush wrote: »

As someone who has only worked 3 months this year because of covid I find it insulting when someone says they enjoy this lockdown and want it to continue. Maybe you should change your job if you your spending too much time commuting and away from the family instead of wanting to prolong this ****.

Indeed. That's exactly the kind of "all in it together" attidude you'll get from these people. So long as they're not suffering in any way whatsoever then happy days.

Johnboy1951

JDD wrote: »

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I implore people who think the vaccine is rushed to read the vaccine thread. Every vaccine that has ever been developed in the past 100 years would also have been developed and approved within the same 12 month timeframe, had the same amount of money, resources and priority been applied to them as has been applied to the current batch of contenders.

How do they condense into such a short time-frame trial, the long term effects?

AssetBacked2

TomTomTim wrote: »

What's the world coming to when boards is one of the more balanced sites.

Explain?

charlie14

polesheep wrote: »

What Ticketmaster is attempting to do is precisely what you and others insisted should NOT be done during the pandemic i.e. isolate one group and exclude them from society.

Where have I said I believe it is a good idea to let this virus spread uninhibited ?
That is basically what that poster is advocating.
If you do not wish to take a vaccine for whatever reason, fair enough. But to also refuse to take a test clearly shows where the poster is coming from.
If you refuse either then you are still not being isolated. You are quite free to wander around all you like. Meet up in large groups with like-minded individuals similar to Danish mink if you so wish.

polesheep

JDD wrote: »

These continued restrictions, post vaccine, like what Ticketmaster have suggested, will in all likelihood only apply if there is a low uptake of the vaccine.

If 40% of the population take the vaccine, and 60% decide not to then we still have a significant chance that our hospitals will be overrun by the infected, especially in circumstances where we return to packed public transport, packed pubs, house parties etc etc.

I implore people who think the vaccine is rushed to read the vaccine thread. Every vaccine that has ever been developed in the past 100 years would also have been developed and approved within the same 12 month timeframe, had the same amount of money, resources and priority been applied to them as has been applied to the current batch of contenders.

Anyone is of course perfectly within their rights to refuse to take the vaccine. However, from a public policy perspective, if there is too many of these people, and a good vaccine is available, then we can't risk everyone's health by having our health system overrun. We can't continue with lockdowns, so some other tool will have to be used.

Either we allow private companies to discriminate based on a health passport, or we make those who refuse to take the vaccine without a health reason pay for their health treatment, should they become infected and need hospitalisation. The average stay in hospital is ten days, the average cost for a hospital bed is about €800 per night. So either you pay for it out of your health insurance or it is taken by way of increased tax over the next five years directly from your pay packet by the exchequer.

That way everyone is happy. You can continue with your right to bodily integrity, can continue to enjoy life, but will have to pay for any covid hospital treatment from your own back pocket. If you are in your 20's and early 30's then the chances you'll have to pay €8,000 for treatment are small. If you are in your 40's or 50's, well, maybe the prospect of having to pay for treatment might put your skepticism regarding the vaccine in sharper focus. You may continue to decide to not take the vaccine, which again, is very much your prerogative.

If those who are vulnerable take the vaccine then those who are left will mostly be in that category that are not really affected by Covid, at least not to the point of hospitalisation.

As to paying for their own treatment, that argument has been debunked many times with reference to alcohol, smoking, obesity, etc.

3xh

JDD wrote: »

I implore people who think the vaccine is rushed to read the vaccine thread. Every vaccine that has ever been developed in the past 100 years would also have been developed and approved within the same 12 month timeframe, had the same amount of money, resources and priority been applied to them as has been applied to the current batch of contenders.

Disgusting post overall. Shortened to highlight these multitude inaccuracies.

And don’t tell us the swine flu pandemrix vaccine is different/not applicable here.

I’m not telling my underage kids they’re sick long term now because daddy thought the Covid jab would be safe because the experts did ‘so much’ testing etc etc. Will you care for me and my family if I suffer something similar to narcolepsy because I take it through societal coercion?

‘It’s just to flatten the curve’ they said.

charlie14

mikekerry wrote: »

Huge pressure will be put on people to take a vaccine that has not being long-term tested to be rolled out to the world to the benefit of a small number of people to make multi trillions profit from it.
I would guess and this is only a guess that after a few months they will drop the test choice and it will be jab only to get into events, travel and maybe worse ( certain jobs).
People that won't submit to jabs will be encouraged to be ostracised from society.
everyone ok with this?

You are entitled to your opinion but I cannot see vaccinations becoming mandatory. If you are refusing to take a simple test then I`m afraid I would have little sympathy for you if society ostracized you.

FintanMcluskey

3xh wrote: »

Yep. And still joe soap will believe it. And Tubridy and co will remind us why that’s the better policy than these ‘VIPs’ taking it first so we shouldn’t be entertaining the idea of queue jumpers.

If the vaccine makes me lay eggs I won’t care as long as Tubridy has to take it as well

polesheep

charlie14 wrote: »

Where have I said I believe it is a good idea to let this virus spread uninhibited ?
That is basically what that poster is advocating.
If you do not wish to take a vaccine for whatever reason, fair enough. But to also refuse to take a test clearly shows where the poster is coming from.
If you refuse either then you are still not being isolated. You are quite free to wander around all you like. Meet up in large groups with like-minded individuals similar to Danish mink if you so wish.

I never suggested that you said the bit in bold, so why state it?

Of course those who have not been vaccinated will be isolated if Ticketmaster's example is followed. It's disingenuous to say that they wouldn't be. You aren't in favour of isolating the vulnerable group so how can you say it's okay to isolate any other group? It's hypocrisy.

3xh

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

If the vaccine makes me lay eggs I won’t care as long as Tubridy has to take it as well

Haha! That’s cheered me up!