Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

BringBackMick · 12-11-2020 08:14AM

I think there is a wee back log today ? Maybe 200ish?

12-11-2020 08:41AM

Penfailed wrote: »

That Ticketmaster thing is only for the US. There's too many checks and balances for that to happen in the EU.

Don't be silly; will be rolled out everywhere if this trial goes well in the US. Just make sure you say 'NO' when the time comes. If people consent, it'll go further and further.

snowcat · 12-11-2020 08:50AM

FrStone wrote: »

I've been following the data from numerous sources.

The most important being the excess deaths this year and of course the very low fatality rate (for all cases - any statistician worth their salt would know this is more important than the fatality rate per confirmed case). I won't even get into the broader stats such as GNP, youth unemployment or cases of domestic violence.

Let's open up.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/

As per the hpsc the CFR for confirmed cases is .24% on the 14 day rate. Note that is confirmed cases. The actual figure is probably half that or much less

CruelSummer · 12-11-2020 08:58AM

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/taoiseach-micheal-martin-under-pressure-to-go-to-level-2-restrictions-in-time-for-christmas-39737140.html

The Taoiseach is under pressure to move to Level 2 for Christmas. Anecdotally I can state that not one single person I’ve talked to has any intention of adhering to level 3 for Christmas and not leaving ones county. Particularly after this last level 5 being implemented. I’ve made the point before, is it not better for people to meet in controlled environments like restaurants, etc. Instead of people’s houses where it’s totally uncontrolled? It’s going to happen either way so why not provide some jobs & employment and give our hospitality industry a much needed boost. Most have been meticulous about implementing guidelines.

Also why on Earth is retail not being reopened early? Do they just want a cattle mart scenario in December where everyone will be on top of each other trying to get their shopping done. It also affects the shops & their time to order in high demand goods.

12-11-2020 09:02AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/taoiseach-micheal-martin-under-pressure-to-go-to-level-2-restrictions-in-time-for-christmas-39737140.html

The Taoiseach is under pressure to move to Level 2 for Christmas. Anecdotally I can state that not one single person I’ve talked to has any intention of adhering to level 3 for Christmas and not leaving ones county. Particularly after this last level 5 being implemented. I’ve made the point before, is it not better for people to meet in controlled environments like restaurants, etc. Instead of people’s houses where it’s totally uncontrolled? It’s going to happen either way so why not provide some jobs & employment and give our hospitality industry a much needed boost. Most have been meticulous about implementing guidelines.

Also why on Earth is retail not being reopened early? Do they just want a cattle mart scenario in December where everyone will be on top of each other trying to get their shopping done. It also affects the shops & their time to order in high demand goods.

They can make it level 10 for all we care.

Christmas is the perfect opportunity for them to justify jumping back to Level 5 in January, then await the mandatory vaccines etc. You need to look at the long game/plan here, not the (equally) rigged short-term one.

3xh · 12-11-2020 09:10AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They can make it level 10 for all we care.

Christmas is the perfect opportunity for them to justify jumping back to Level 5 in January, then await the mandatory vaccines etc. You need to look at the long game/plan here, not the rigged short-term one.

The amount of people I’m seeing here saying basically, ‘I don’t care about all this anymore, I’m fed up, just give me the vaccine so we can get back to normal’ is unreal.

This is exactly what was said would happen back in April by the foil hatters. And still, people can’t see why the numbers were manipulated in such an orchestrated manner.

12-11-2020 09:30AM

3xh wrote: »

The amount of people I’m seeing here saying basically, ‘I don’t care about all this anymore, I’m fed up, just give me the vaccine so we can get back to normal’ is .

This is exactly what was said would happen back in April by the foil hatters. And still, people can’t see why the numbers were manipulated in such an orchestrated manner.

I've always said: if theres one thing this "pandemic" has shown me; it's how easily people are controlled. They'll all line up for this next year as the lockdowns are dragged out. It's double dose, and now, as I thought, they're saying it might only keep someone "immune" for 12 months.

So they'll be taking two shots a year of this RNA vaccine for the rest of their lives. Don't know whether to laugh or cry :pac: No wonder a lot of the 1% refer to them as 'serfs'. Sad.

Captain_Crash · 12-11-2020 09:31AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/taoiseach-micheal-martin-under-pressure-to-go-to-level-2-restrictions-in-time-for-christmas-39737140.html

The Taoiseach is under pressure to move to Level 2 for Christmas. Anecdotally I can state that not one single person I’ve talked to has any intention of adhering to level 3 for Christmas and not leaving ones county. Particularly after this last level 5 being implemented. I’ve made the point before, is it not better for people to meet in controlled environments like restaurants, etc. Instead of people’s houses where it’s totally uncontrolled? It’s going to happen either way so why not provide some jobs & employment and give our hospitality industry a much needed boost. Most have been meticulous about implementing guidelines.

Also why on Earth is retail not being reopened early? Do they just want a cattle mart scenario in December where everyone will be on top of each other trying to get their shopping done. It also affects the shops & their time to order in high demand goods.

I know of multiple gyms, yoga clubs, barbers etc open now. More and more are opening as each week passes! I'm yet to speak to a person who agrees with whats happening. Moving to level 2 or not, it appears a shift is starting.

I was in the gym last night (yes, an actual gym) chatting to a friend who felt that its complete bullsh1t that we have to do a cloak and daggers act just for a workout. This appears to be the general feeling from people I've spoken to!

The yoga club near me had the door open and lights on last night, not even hiding it anymore!

pjohnson · 12-11-2020 09:33AM

George Hook providing balance and thread becoming more anti-vax/vaccine conspiracy :pac:

12-11-2020 09:41AM

pjohnson wrote: »

George Hook providing balance and thread becoming more anti-vax/vaccine conspiracy :pac:

We're not "anti-vax" or "pro-vax". We're just against mandatory, rushed vaccinations for a virus that has a statistically tiny chance of killing the majority of us. Its not needed. We've been saying since the start they will use this as an opportunity to usher in mandatory vaccinations and other security measures. That's now starting to happen -- see TicketMaster announcement.

If vaccination is not taken up, they'll coerce us through exclusion from flying, concerts, sporting events etc. This, and dictating re: vaccines is illegal. There's going to be massive conflict over this, and people need to be aware and stand up for their rights.

pjohnson · 12-11-2020 09:46AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We're not "anti-vax" or "pro-vax". We're just against mandatory, rushed vaccinations for a virus that has a statistically tiny chance of killing the majority of us. Its not needed. We've been saying since the start they will use this as an opportunity to usher in mandatory vaccinations and other security measures. That's now starting to happen -- see TicketMaster announcement.

If vaccination is not taken up, they'll coerce us through exclusion from flying, concerts, sporting events etc. This, and dictating re: vaccines is illegal. There's going to be massive conflict over this, and people need to be aware and stand up for their rights.

Do keep up.

I have kept up otherwise how would I know you think its a scam that this was announced the day after Biden won

And then of course the Rothchild/Bill Gates/New World Order classics.

You've brightened up my morning.

topper75 · 12-11-2020 09:57AM

How I long now for a good Children's Hospital rumble on the radio or something. The innocence of it all.

These...ahem... less-than-well-considered... restriction policies have cost us 20 such 'best hospitals in the world' to date, with more to come.

Poorside · 12-11-2020 09:57AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I've always said: if theres one thing this "pandemic" has shown me; it's how easily people are controlled. They'll all line up for this next year as the lockdowns are dragged out. It's double dose, and now, as I thought, they're saying it might only keep someone "immune" for 12 months.

So they'll be taking two shots a year of this RNA vaccine for the rest of their lives. Don't know whether to laugh or cry :pac: No wonder a lot of the 1% refer to them as 'serfs'.Sad.

So you think the 1% don't include you in their disdain? Must be nice to be so important.

12-11-2020 10:00AM

pjohnson wrote: »

I have kept up otherwise how would I know you think its a scam that this was announced the day after Biden won

And then of course the Rothchild/Bill Gates/New World Order classics.

You've brightened up my morning.

Again, have been making clear from the start that Bill Gates is the primary funder of several vaccine candidates. Have always said it'll be one of his that is ultimately approved and used as he's also the main funder of the UN and WHO.

Now, of course, roll-out is being prepared for the Pfizer/BioNTech vax (funded by Gates Foundation). So was correct there. I'm also saying any 'support' roll-out of other vaxxes will be his as well (AstraZeneca and Moderna).

Now, we're also seeing plans for proof of vax through digital health passport to attend events; TicketMaster being the first to announce. We were right on that, too.

So, I don't know what you're confused about; it's all there in black&white for you. You probably think all of this happened by accident and everything that happens is just an unfortunate result of the 'pandemic' :pac: Turn off RTE

paw patrol · 12-11-2020 10:00AM

Poorside wrote: »

So you think the 1% don't include you in their disdain? Must be nice to be so important.

they do hold people like him (and me) in distain.
but at least he knows this - that's 90% of the battle there.

The rest are utter gimps who think the state is here to help them.

mikekerry · 12-11-2020 10:11AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Told you, it's already started. Ticketmaster will require proof of test/vax through digital health pass to enter events:

"Ticketmaster announced their plans for screening fans before they attended events, which will rely on the Ticketmaster digital ticket app, third party health information companies like CLEAR Health Pass or IBM’s Digital Health Pass, and testing and vaccine distribution providers like Labcorp and the CVS Minute Clinic.

Once a fan receives a COVID-19 vaccine or tests negative for the disease within the 24-72 hour window, a health pass company will deliver that information to Ticketmaster, allowing entry to the event. There is currently no date for when Ticketmaster will no longer require COVID-19 precautions".

https://loudwire.com/ticketmaster-covid-19-vaccination-negative-test/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral

It will be air travel and everything else next. If everyone just said "no", this would be scrapped. But there's too many sheep who'll give in after prolonged lockdowns. As I explained earlier, a large point of the unnecessary, continued lockdowns was to demoralize people into accepting measures they would of never previously. By the end of this, you'll be tracked in as many ways as possible -- all in the name of public safety

People are so brainwashed they will take any jab at all to get into a gig/flight/school whatever it is.
It's the will of the people that are letting them do this and they are too blind to even see it.
Ostrich with head in the sand springs to mind.

12-11-2020 10:15AM

mikekerry wrote: »

People are so brainwashed they will take any jab at all to get into a gig/flight/school whatever it is.
It's the will of the people that are letting them do this and they are too blind to even see it.
Ostrich with head in the sand springs to mind.

Yes, sheep are weak and will consent, no questions asked. Again, that's why the 1% call them 'serfs'.

If enough of the rest of us just say "I do not consent", we might be alright.

Seweryn · 12-11-2020 10:16AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I know of multiple gyms, yoga clubs, barbers etc open now. More and more are opening as each week passes! I'm yet to speak to a person who agrees with whats happening. Moving to level 2 or not, it appears a shift is starting.

I was in the gym last night (yes, an actual gym) chatting to a friend who felt that its complete bullsh1t that we have to do a cloak and daggers act just for a workout. This appears to be the general feeling from people I've spoken to!

The yoga club near me had the door open and lights on last night, not even hiding it anymore!

That is a great thing to see that more people are waking up.

BeefeaterHat · 12-11-2020 10:22AM

nofools wrote: »

Yeah sure, pull the other one

Brilliant debating skills there. Why not just call him a turkey like you do everyone else?

BeefeaterHat · 12-11-2020 10:24AM

nofools wrote: »

It is not in our interests to listen to arguments like yours either.

I half agree, that class of curmudgeons in government have made some very bad decisions especially on borders.

Nphet have generally been proven right in the long run (outside of the modelling) no matter how much you don't like the medicine.

Who decides what our 'interests' are ? You? Calm down lad it's just an internet forum not the house of commons.

Poorside · 12-11-2020 10:26AM

paw patrol wrote: »

they do hold people like him (and me) in distain.
but at least he knows this - that's 90% of the battle there.

The rest are utter gimps who think the state is here to help them.

Let me ask, do you use any state facilities?

zf0wqv9oemuasj · 12-11-2020 10:27AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Told you, it's already started. Ticketmaster will require proof of test/vax through digital health pass to enter events:

"Ticketmaster announced their plans for screening fans before they attended events, which will rely on the Ticketmaster digital ticket app, third party health information companies like CLEAR Health Pass or IBM’s Digital Health Pass, and testing and vaccine distribution providers like Labcorp and the CVS Minute Clinic.

Once a fan receives a COVID-19 vaccine or tests negative for the disease within the 24-72 hour window, a health pass company will deliver that information to Ticketmaster, allowing entry to the event. There is currently no date for when Ticketmaster will no longer require COVID-19 precautions".

https://loudwire.com/ticketmaster-covid-19-vaccination-negative-test/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral

It will be air travel and everything else next. If everyone just said "no", this would be scrapped. But there's too many sheep who'll give in after prolonged lockdowns. As I explained earlier, a large point of the unnecessary, continued lockdowns was to demoralize people into accepting measures they would of never previously. By the end of this, you'll be tracked in as many ways as possible -- all in the name of public safety

Hi, I can't understand why anyone could possibly have an issue with this and even more so for travel. I think most sensible people would heavily support this and leave the conspiracy theorists to go crazy over it. I really have no tolerance at all for anti vaccination opinions, they are dangerous and ignorant.

Also you made a point about people not "needing" the vaccine, I dont think you understand vaccines being honest as the idea is to vaccinate as many people as possible in order totally suppress a virus its not just to stop vulnerable people from getting it. Even more so since every day there is new evidence that covid is having long term effects for people both young and old, healthy or vulnerable. Its amazing how willing some posters appear to be to catch covid and all the risks that go with it.

Seweryn · 12-11-2020 10:30AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

For someone who's not anti-vax you're hitting a pretty high number of the standard antivaxxer talking points.

I don't think anti-vax is the right term. People need to have a choice and decide for themselves. The majority of people have anti mandatory vax mind (rather than just anti-vax), which is perfectly in their rights.
Before we take an injection with something produced by one of the mentioned companies I believe we should also educate ourselves of these companies. They have a terrible safety records which can be listed if anyone is interested.
Making a vaccine in a few months instead of many years (as it normally takes) massively increases the dangers. Some serious side effects do not appear for years after vaccination. Giving a relatively untested vaccine to seven billion people (as is planned with the Cov. vaccine) may result in thousands dying or being made seriously ill.

12-11-2020 10:31AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

For someone who's not anti-vax you're hitting a pretty high number of the standard antivaxxer talking points.

Hello there, Doctor.

mikekerry · 12-11-2020 10:32AM

Seweryn wrote: »

I don't think anti-vax is the right term. People need to have a choice and decide for themselves. The majority of people have anti mandatory vax mind (rather than just anti-vax), which is perfectly in their rights.
Before we take an injection with something produced by one of the mentioned companies I believe we should also educate ourselves of these companies. They have a terrible safety records which can be listed if anyone is interested.
Making a vaccine in a few months instead of many years (as it normally takes) massively increases the dangers. Some serious side effects do not appear for years after vaccination. Giving a relatively untested vaccine to seven billion people (as is planned with the Cov. vaccine) may result in thousands dying or being made seriously ill.

Let all the politicians , the heads of the pharma companies and bill gates take them first and if no effects for a year I'll happily take it then until then they can take a hike.

12-11-2020 10:34AM

mikekerry wrote: »

Let all the politicians , the heads of the pharma companies and bill gates take them first and if no effects for a year I'll happily take it then until then they can take a hike.

We both know they won't be taking anything

paw patrol · 12-11-2020 10:34AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I was in the gym last night (yes, an actual gym) chatting to a friend who felt that its complete bullsh1t that we have to do a cloak and daggers act just for a workout. This appears to be the general feeling from people I've spoken to!

!

i wish my gym did this

pjohnson wrote: »

I have kept up otherwise how would I know you think its a scam that this was announced the day after Biden won

And then of course the Rothchild/Bill Gates/New World Order classics.

You've brightened up my morning.

pfizer chief said they'd announce if they had vaccine or no vaccine at end of oct. They promised a statement.

They issued no statement but lo and behold after the election they made that announcement.
odd that.

Poorside · 12-11-2020 10:35AM

mikekerry wrote: »

Let all the politicians , the heads of the pharma companies and bill gates take them first and if no effects for a year I'll happily take it then until then they can take a hike.

Maybe they took them last year......

12-11-2020 10:42AM

Poorside wrote: »

Maybe they took them last year......

Yeah, they're really going to take a vaccine they're desperately seeking indemnity from for the public. They (sensibly) won't be held responsible for any side effects or deaths caused by this rushed vaccine, but I'm sure they're jabbing themselves and their families back home regardless

Seweryn · 12-11-2020 10:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

We both know they won't be taking anything

Probably not.

Interesting...

https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/companies/arid-40080311.html

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings