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FE1 Exam Thread (Read 1st post!) NOTE: YOU MAY SWAP EXAM GRIDS

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭Lawlaw12


    JayFE1 wrote: »
    Yeah, it’s so long. You’d nearly get Property and Company for the price of Constitutional! Tort is long too but 13 topics had me confident and it all worked out. I was at 20 topics for Cons before I cut it to 16. The questions are so mixed too so you end up having little tag alongs on the main topics. It’s like Criminal Law on steroids for the mixing! What have you left out? The major ones I’ve left out are Religion, Association & Assembly, Interpretation although I kinda use a sliding scale when studying so the likes of Locus Standi wouldn’t be getting as much attention as say The Family. I don’t know what you think about the case note Q but I’m looking at that for a guaranteed Q. The course is that long that surely it will work with us for that Q.

    I'm leaving out religion, assembly/ assoc. too
    And then so far I'll also leave out family, education, mootness of cases, right to life and elections
    Will probably try and avoid case notes unless I'm 100% sure of the cases


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 76 ✭✭Fe123


    Can anyone tell me some constitutional chapters to absolutely have in the bag for the exam. Honestly feel like not even sitting it at this stage


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 JayFE1


    Lawlaw12 wrote: »
    I'm leaving out religion, assembly/ assoc. too
    And then so far I'll also leave out family, education, mootness of cases, right to life and elections
    Will probably try and avoid case notes unless I'm 100% sure of the cases

    I wouldn’t leave out the family myself but look isn’t this the problem with Constitutional - you could make a case for every topic but obviously can’t study everything. I wish ya the best of luck anyway and hopefully in 6 days time the FE1s are history for you, me and many others. ðŸ˜.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭rickmatt


    JayFE1 wrote: »
    I done Company yesterday and I have to say the online sitting and the paper itself was actually alright. Finished early and all. Constitutional is my final FE1 and if I pass I’m off to Blackhall but I swear doing it after something like Company is like day and night - twice the amount of topics to study and mixed at that whereas company is just so clean.

    Very same, so hard to break down in comparison to Company (I sat yesterday too)

    I'm thinking covering a few essay areas like - Const. Interpret. - Pres - AG - Due Course of Law - Referendum law - Equality

    Then have a good general knowledge of the rest for Pq's

    Leaving out Case note q, don't know how to focus that

    Otherwise I'm leaving out Findings of Unconst., Remedies, Right of Unborn, Inviolability of Dwelling, Association

    Any tips for what else to cover on essays, as the exam format is 4 essay 3 pq's and a case note - I feel covering the essays is a good chance of getting the pass


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭fe12020oct


    any advice on whether i could leave any of these out for equity??

    - Specific Performance (with rectification)
    - secret trusts
    - proprietary estoppel
    - donatia mortis cause
    - strong v bird
    - 3 certainties
    - injunctions (interloc, mandatory, quia timet)
    - charitable trusts (with cy pres)
    - undue influence
    - trusteeship
    - tracing
    - quistclose


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 76 ✭✭Fe123


    fe12020oct wrote: »
    any advice on whether i could leave any of these out for equity??

    - Specific Performance (with rectification)
    - secret trusts
    - proprietary estoppel
    - donatia mortis cause
    - strong v bird
    - 3 certainties
    - injunctions (interloc, mandatory, quia timet)
    - charitable trusts (with cy pres)
    - undue influence
    - trusteeship
    - tracing
    - quistclose

    I’m leaving out secret trust, estoppel, undue influence


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭fe12020oct


    Fe123 wrote: »
    I’m leaving out secret trust, estoppel, undue influence

    perfect might do the same! are you doing any ones i left out?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 JayFE1


    fe12020oct wrote: »
    perfect might do the same! are you doing any ones i left out?

    Definitely don’t do that fam! From your list drop Quistclose, Tracing, 3 Certainties, Secret Trust all before Undue Influence and Estoppel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 JayFE1


    rickmatt wrote: »
    Very same, so hard to break down in comparison to Company (I sat yesterday too)

    I'm thinking covering a few essay areas like - Const. Interpret. - Pres - AG - Due Course of Law - Referendum law - Equality

    Then have a good general knowledge of the rest for Pq's

    Leaving out Case note q, don't know how to focus that

    Otherwise I'm leaving out Findings of Unconst., Remedies, Right of Unborn, Inviolability of Dwelling, Association

    Any tips for what else to cover on essays, as the exam format is 4 essay 3 pq's and a case note - I feel covering the essays is a good chance of getting the pass

    How did Company go for you?

    Yeah, I see where you’re coming from but I do have to say that AG / President and Interpretation are essentially the one question. They’re definitely due a run however it’s a bit like Schrödinger's cat - at this moment in time all possibilities are simultaneously alive but on the day only one may exist. I’m just saying from your 6 topics the absolute maximum you would get is 4 (TDC, Referendum and Equality plus X from the trio above).

    I’ve done The Family, Children, President / AG, Referendums, Trial in Due Course, Livelihood / Property, Int. Relations, NDD, Duty to Give Reasons, Equality, Privacy, FoE inc Journalist Sources, Right to Die, Access to Courts, Fair Procedures, Bodily Integrity. I also have other topics like Locus Standi mixed into past questions e.g. it came up with Int relations one sitting.

    In terms of focusing a case note - you’re talking 1-2 lines on the facts, the arguments advanced and then the main legal principle that came from the case. Then what it affected e.g. if your case note is JC then when finished talk about it overturning Kenny and so on. When I done EU, I wasn’t bovvered with it but I feel it could be a god send in Constitutional. Imagine getting something like McGee in a case note. Aw, man, that would be a right touch!

    Aside from what you’ve mentioned, Article 42A, Uncons evidence, NDD (although the last sitting got one) would be something to look at for an essay. There was a general essay on Trial in Due Course in one of the past sittings that would be horrible if we got it - maybe my sense of foreboding is strong or maybe it’s not but I did prepare for that worst case. 2020 be like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭rickmatt


    JayFE1 wrote: »
    How did Company go for you?

    Yeah, I see where you’re coming from but I do have to say that AG / President and Interpretation are essentially the one question. They’re definitely due a run however it’s a bit like Schrödinger's cat - at this moment in time all possibilities are simultaneously alive but on the day only one may exist. I’m just saying from your 6 topics the absolute maximum you would get is 4 (TDC, Referendum and Equality plus X from the trio above).

    I’ve done The Family, Children, President / AG, Referendums, Trial in Due Course, Livelihood / Property, Int. Relations, NDD, Duty to Give Reasons, Equality, Privacy, FoE inc Journalist Sources, Right to Die, Access to Courts, Fair Procedures, Bodily Integrity. I also have other topics like Locus Standi mixed into past questions e.g. it came up with Int relations one sitting.

    In terms of focusing a case note - you’re talking 1-2 lines on the facts, the arguments advanced and then the main legal principle that came from the case. Then what it affected e.g. if your case note is JC then when finished talk about it overturning Kenny and so on. When I done EU, I wasn’t bovvered with it but I feel it could be a god send in Constitutional. Imagine getting something like McGee in a case note. Aw, man, that would be a right touch!

    Aside from what you’ve mentioned, Article 42A, Uncons evidence, NDD (although the last sitting got one) would be something to look at for an essay. There was a general essay on Trial in Due Course in one of the past sittings that would be horrible if we got it - maybe my sense of foreboding is strong or maybe it’s not but I did prepare for that worst case. 2020 be like that.

    I felt Company was a nice paper overall, had all the bases covered and was very comfortable with 7 of the 8.

    Thanks for the heads up with regards Interpretation and PRes/AG, I'll take it on board.

    I take it you are doing the Case Note Q? Do you mind telling me what cases you are covering for the case note? It does seem a bit easier than EU but I feel it can be a but random all the same.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Jeremiah25


    rickmatt wrote: »
    I felt Company was a nice paper overall, had all the bases covered and was very comfortable with 7 of the 8.

    Thanks for the heads up with regards Interpretation and PRes/AG, I'll take it on board.

    I take it you are doing the Case Note Q? Do you mind telling me what cases you are covering for the case note? It does seem a bit easier than EU but I feel it can be a but random all the same.

    Constitutional case note q is probably the trickiest to predict on the course. I think the same case has only come up twice on one occasion.

    Here are some recent ones that would be worth knowing, the examiner does tend to include recent significant decisions:

    Kerins/O'Brien/Mohan/Zalewski (vs. WRC and also vs. Adjudication Officer)/Jordan/Simpson/Rowland/McKelvey/Nolan.

    Hope its of some help :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭Lawlaw12


    Jeremiah25 wrote: »
    Constitutional case note q is probably the trickiest to predict on the course. I think the same case has only come up twice on one occasion.

    Here are some recent ones that would be worth knowing, the examiner does tend to include recent significant decisions:

    Kerins/O'Brien/Mohan/Zalewski (vs. WRC and also vs. Adjudication Officer)/Jordan/Simpson/Rowland/McKelvey/Nolan.

    Hope its of some help :)

    Thanks a mil for sharing that!

    I just have Zalewski down once (challenging both the order made in their WRC case and the constitutionality of WRC), do you know is Zalewski v WRC just an appeal of Zalewski v Adjudication Officer?

    Sorry if that's a really stupid question, my brain is absolutely fried :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Jeremiah25


    Lawlaw12 wrote: »
    Thanks a mil for sharing that!

    I just have Zalewski down once (challenging both the order made in their WRC case and the constitutionality of WRC), do you know is Zalewski v WRC just an appeal of Zalewski v Adjudication Officer?

    Sorry if that's a really stupid question, my brain is absolutely fried :confused:

    They deal with two different issues. Zalewski v Adjudication Officer concerns locus standi whereas the WRC case considers judicial powers.

    Apologies, that's just off the top of my head. There should be some more info online :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭Fe1user5555


    Has anyone started the exam past 10am? If so did you get the full 3 and a half hours


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭Reya10


    Has anyone started the exam past 10am? If so did you get the full 3 and a half hours

    I think someone on this thread said that they logged in late a few pages back and they were given the full time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭Healyjhow


    Anyone who’s done an exam with legislation do we just hold it up as we use is? Was kinda hoping to just throw it down next to the laptop and transcribe as needed but worried about cheating


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭Reya10


    Healyjhow wrote: »
    Anyone who’s done an exam with legislation do we just hold it up as we use is? Was kinda hoping to just throw it down next to the laptop and transcribe as needed but worried about cheating

    I did company and didn't show it at all, figured they would have asked if they wanted us to do that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭phildub


    Does anyone have an up to date constitution manual pdf they could forward me? I have EU materials to swap if that's any good?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭Fe1user5555


    Healyjhow wrote: »
    Anyone who’s done an exam with legislation do we just hold it up as we use is? Was kinda hoping to just throw it down next to the laptop and transcribe as needed but worried about cheating

    I just held it up at the start to show it didn’t even flick through it then put it beside my laptop


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Aoibhin511


    I've done all my proctorio checks and the next button says begin exam now. Can anyone tell me what happens after I click that? Is it just a count down to 10am? Can I still study?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 HU123


    Aoibhin511 wrote: »
    I've done all my proctorio checks and the next button says begin exam now. Can anyone tell me what happens after I click that? Is it just a count down to 10am? Can I still study?

    Yes you can still study.. the camera is on but you are just in a waiting lobby that has a countdown timer until the exam starts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 ellachapman96


    Anyone have any predictions for contract? Looking to see what to cut out


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 baloo21


    What are people's thoughts on the likelihood of resulting trusts/presumption of advancement coming up for Equity?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 FE1Lordthe2nd


    I was thinking of cutting out:

    Certainty of Terms
    Intention to Create Legal Relations
    Formal & Evidentiary Requirements
    Capacity
    Privity
    Duress
    U.D. & Unconscionable Bargain
    Illegal Contracts
    Void Contracts
    Agency

    What do people think?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 Fe1new4


    I was thinking of cutting out:

    Certainty of Terms
    Intention to Create Legal Relations
    Formal & Evidentiary Requirements
    Capacity
    Privity
    Duress
    U.D. & Unconscionable Bargain
    Illegal Contracts
    Void Contracts
    Agency

    What do people think?

    Personally I’m covering capacity and UD and formal requirements because they could be due a run and are quick enough to learn but leaving out the rest :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 legaleagle2010


    Todays property topics

    1 - family property, essay
    2 - capacity and formalities of a will , s77 and s78
    3 - Section 117, legal right share etc
    4 - finding
    5 - Adverse possession
    6- licences
    7- equity I think!

    Can remember the last :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 343 ✭✭IgoPAP


    Todays property topics

    1 - family property, essay
    2 - capacity and formalities of a will , s77 and s78
    3 - Section 117, legal right share etc
    4 - finding
    5 - Adverse possession
    6- licences
    7- equity I think!

    Can remember the last :)

    Easement by necessity?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 JayFE1


    rickmatt wrote: »
    I felt Company was a nice paper overall, had all the bases covered and was very comfortable with 7 of the 8.

    Thanks for the heads up with regards Interpretation and PRes/AG, I'll take it on board.

    I take it you are doing the Case Note Q? Do you mind telling me what cases you are covering for the case note? It does seem a bit easier than EU but I feel it can be a but random all the same.

    Nice, another one bites the dust. Nae bother pal.

    Yeah, you see I’ve gone back over the case notes for the last 10 sittings and I’ve got them each and every time from what I’ve already studied. Short answer is 16 topics x approx 6-9 cases per question meaning in theory I’ve covered for 100 cases! I haven’t actually studied for the case notes however I hit it each & every time e.g. I’ve studied Uncons evidence and referendums so last sitting I would’ve been covered for McCrystal and JC as one example. Another would McGee and Gilchrist & Rogers March ‘18 because I’ve studied privacy and open justice. Nicolaou and Collins Oct ‘17 because I’ve studied Budgetary Powers and Family and Bederev and Jordan March ‘17 because I’ve studied NDD and Referendums and so on. Obviously, I’m flexible enough that you can change McGee with another privacy case, Nicolaou with another Family case and so on still fancying my chances of hitting the Q. If 4 cases come up from 4 topics I didn’t do then I’m out of the game but what can you do.

    I know you probably just wanted a list of cases to study but any list would be very restrictive as like you say it can be random. The way I look at it is work smarter not harder so gamble on the cases coming up from your existing topics. I done 16 topics and maximum that can come up is 7 so that’s 9 topics that I’m not going to let go to waste as they may bail me out in the case note. There was also a Q where Duty to Give Reasons was asked as a 20 marker plus Meadows in the case note. Something like that to quote little Flora would be “Perfectly Splendid”!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭bobbyness


    IgoPAP wrote: »
    Easement by necessity?

    I said Necessity and Wong v Beaumont - and also common intention - A restaurant needs working sewage pipes, and should have been the common intention of the parties if they had considered it.

    'Twas a fairly predictable paper. Good luck to all and well done to everyone so far, and I'm sure you've all smashed it so don't over analyse after the fact :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 JayFE1


    Jeremiah25 wrote: »
    Constitutional case note q is probably the trickiest to predict on the course. I think the same case has only come up twice on one occasion.

    Here are some recent ones that would be worth knowing, the examiner does tend to include recent significant decisions:

    Kerins/O'Brien/Mohan/Zalewski (vs. WRC and also vs. Adjudication Officer)/Jordan/Simpson/Rowland/McKelvey/Nolan.

    Hope its of some help :)

    McCrystal, JC, McGee, Damanche, M, Jordan and Maguire have all been up twice. You could argue Crotty and Pringle too as you can’t talk about one without the other. Jordan and McCrystal have came two a piece and there is a link so that would be by far the most common.

    I do agree with watching the recent cases and I could add Gilchrist, NVH, C, Shatter, Persona Digital, O’Sullivan, etc however I was told before I started studying to focus on the recent cases but with the exception of March ‘20 where recent cases made up 3/4 there is a pattern there of 1 recent case accompanied by three older cases. The statistics over a 5 year (10 sittings) and 7 year (14 sittings) back this up too. When I was doing my statistics on this, I set a recent case as 5 years before date of exam so McCrystal was “recent” in 2015 but not now and so on.

    For RickMatt, LawLaw, yourself, myself and anyone else planning or thinking of doing the case note it’s important to take account of recent decisions but older cases will be our bread and butter!


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