Shooting season suspended due to lockdown?

Got him! · 30-10-2020 10:16pm #1

Anyone get a communication from any governing body stating that the shooting season ( not stalking funnily enough) is to be suspended due to lockdown? NARGC website stated on OCT 20th that it's interpretation was that is would be ok within 5 km. There are rumors about a suspension but no update on NARCG website.

Cass · 30-10-2020 11:13pm

Seen it on the Garda website and as they now have the powers of fine/arrest under SI 448 it seems its not going to happen. The 1st i mean.

juice1304 · 31-10-2020 12:43am

I cant understand why people are so annoyed. It says you can shoot vermin as it's essential. If you happen to see a pheasant while out shooting vermin then it's completely legal to shoot it.

Wadi14 · 31-10-2020 1:13am

lol nice try juice, but sadly no

Grizzly 45 · 31-10-2020 2:13am

Wadi14 wrote: »

lol nice try juice, but sadly no

And whose going to check it?Are we expecting AGs to be standing around every field waiting for us to return?

Cass · 31-10-2020 2:52am

juice1304 wrote: »

If you happen to see a pheasant while out shooting vermin then it's completely legal to shoot it.

Or, bear with me now, stick a knife in the Pheasants hand (or bird's equivalent) and claim it as self defense.

gearoidol · 31-10-2020 12:12pm

Please note according to Nargc stalking also falls under this new ban.
I firmly believe that if farmers knew that stalking was stopped they would be uproar but that the garda announcement purposely omitted the word deer but implied it by using game to avoid bringing it to the attention of farmers and the IFA

hiddenmongoose · 31-10-2020 1:09pm

This is the green party at work, this was also left to the last minute to be announced by design.

Going forward in the next election regardless of how you have previously voted how could any man here vote again (if the had ) for those that are currently in government.

Grizzly 45 · 31-10-2020 2:09pm

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Going thru FB and social media.A lot of lads are going to go out on the 1st and are saying FU to this latest outrage to shooters. Can't blame them really...Just don't get caught whatever you do.

grassroot1 · 31-10-2020 2:38pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

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Going thru FB and social media.A lot of lads are going to go out on the 1st and are saying FU to this latest outrage to shooters. Can't blame them really...Just don't get caught whatever you do.

Thats grand except some of us wont go out because of a simple thing like right and wrong.
if those on social media spent as much time contacting TDs as they do posting might be better.

Chiparus · 31-10-2020 3:27pm

Can you shoot on your own property?

BattleCorp · 31-10-2020 3:36pm

I'm not a legal expert so take what I say with a pinch of salt but why can't hunting within 5km of your home be considered exercise and therefore allowable if you are doing it on your own?

zeissman · 31-10-2020 3:54pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

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Going thru FB and social media.A lot of lads are going to go out on the 1st and are saying FU to this latest outrage to shooters. Can't blame them really...Just don't get caught whatever you do.

I won't be going out as I don't want to take the risk of getting caught.
Another thing I was wondering is if someone did go hunting and had an accident would their insurance cover them ?

J.R. · 31-10-2020 4:21pm

zeissman wrote: »

Another thing I was wondering is if someone did go hunting and had an accident would their insurance cover them ?

I would imagine that NARGC insurance will not cover them as they have been told by NARGC that it’s banned. The same would then apply to other insurance cover brokers.

Risky going out with no insurance cover as many farmers only give permission to Gun Clubs, knowing they have public liability cover. Farmers may not be happy to find out that lads out pheasant shooting on their land have no insurance cover.

Birdnuts · 31-10-2020 5:16pm

hiddenmongoose wrote: »

This is the green party at work, this was also left to the last minute to be announced by design.

Going forward in the next election regardless of how you have previously voted how could any man here vote again (if the had ) for those that are currently in government.

Yes - but its the other 2 parties in government that are letting them indulge in this nonsense

Wadi14 · 31-10-2020 5:25pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

And whose going to check it?Are we expecting AGs to be standing around every field waiting for us to return?

I don't think it said anywhere that anyone was going to check, as reasonable law abiding firearms license holders, do we need to be checked to see if we are out shooting Pheasants ?

juice1304 · 31-10-2020 6:16pm

It says they have made no changes to the legislation and vermin control is essential. So it is still entirely legal to shoot them. If I was out shooting vermin and saw a pheasant I would shoot it, Just bring a crow or pigeon with you back to the car.
Even if they argue you are out to shoot pheasants or deer etc. as long as you have actually shot vermin what can they do. Banning the large shoots makes sense, and that's probably what they envisage shooting to be. But a man alone in a field shooting vermin :< is not going to be contracting or spreading the virus.

tudderone · 31-10-2020 6:25pm

Its happened in the UK as well. Cwiss Packham has being at it again.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8899207/Claws-Chris-Packham-wins-crackdown-pheasant-shooting.html

Grizzly 45 · 31-10-2020 6:46pm

grassroot1 wrote: »

Thats grand except some of us wont go out because of a simple thing like right and wrong.
if those on social media spent as much time contacting TDs as they do posting might be better.

Right and wrong are quantitative in this situation.Is it right that golf,hurling, cycling,jogging etc are permitted within 5kms ,but shooting is not?What has the chance of spreading the disease more ?A minority sport that had a out a 5 month lifespan per year or a more pouplar sport that can be done any day of the year?
We are all supposed 'to be in this together." Well it sure as Hell doesn't feel like it. .Since Golfgate.Either the rules are for ALL sports,or thy arent going to be obeyed by anyone
How do you know that they havent bern contacting their TDs either??Been on the damn phone& computer all day about this...Again.
Sitting here listening to Limerick sound like a bloody warzone with illegal bangers going off.AGS would be better employed in chasing down that,than bothering lads out for amallard or pheasent tomrrow.

Grizzly 45 · 31-10-2020 6:57pm

J.R. wrote: »

I would imagine that NARGC insurance will not cover them as they have been told by NARGC that it’s banned. The same would then apply to other insurance cover brokers.

Risky going out with no insurance cover as many farmers only give permission to Gun Clubs, knowing they have public liability cover. Farmers may not be happy to find out that lads out pheasant shooting on their land have no insurance cover.

All the more reason to have a separate personal insurance.

hiddenmongoose · 31-10-2020 9:36pm

Birdnuts wrote: »

Yes - but its the other 2 parties in government that are letting them indulge in this nonsense

Also for sure, how could any-man here vote for either of those party's.

hiddenmongoose · 31-10-2020 9:47pm

useurowname wrote: »

Well I’m genuinely concerned about climate Change and I don’t believe FFG will do enough so it’s my way of expressing my grave concern.
I’m sick of broken promises on everything else as I don’t believe any of the main parties on anything.

As for field sports, they are dying a death anyway there simply isn’t wild game enough to make a season, I can’t justify taking Woodcock or Snipe anymore, I haven't seen Widgeon in years and Pochard forget about them. So that leaves pigeons and reared Pheasants that are nowadays little more than clay pigeons with feathers, that’s not hunting in my book.

So that’s that Napoleon.

From another thread earlier this year here on the shooting forum where a member is stating he will be voting green party(how is that working out for us now)..lets not forget that we as shooters(well some of us anyway) have brought this upon ourselves by voting for these idiots.

Now more than ever as a shooting community we need band together, and regardless of what our chosen corner of shooting is be it birds, deer or tartget we all need support each other. I have fired 2 shots in the last 10 years at pheasants as I have no interest in them but yet I have contacted TD's about this, how many here that is purely a pheasant/duck shooter can say they did the same regarding the delay in the deer licences? we need to be united, we need to stop voting the likes of the greens and those that will share power with them, we need to contact TD's on all shooting related issues and not just ones close to our own heart.
Be under no illusion the green party minister has his agenda here regarding the pheasant and the deer licence issue.

Vizzy · 31-10-2020 10:14pm

hiddenmongoose wrote: »

From another thread earlier this year here on the shooting forum where a member is stating he will be voting green party(how is that working out for us now)..lets not forget that we as shooters(well some of us anyway) have brought this upon ourselves by voting for these idiots.

Now more than ever as a shooting community we need band together, and regardless of what our chosen corner of shooting is be it birds, deer or tartget we all need support each other. I have fired 2 shots in the last 10 years at pheasants as I have no interest in them but yet I have contacted TD's about this,how many here that is purely a pheasant/ duck shooter can say they did the same regarding the delay in the deer licences? we need to be united, we need to stop voting the likes of the greens and those that will share power with them, we need to contact TD's on all shooting related issues and not just ones close to our own heart.
Be under no illusion the green party minister has his agenda here regarding the pheasant and the deer licence issue.

I have, as I did with the Derogation issue, this issue and issues such as the "makey uppy" rules by some Gardai in relation to licencing.
Not that I am trying to be some sort of hero, but I agree with you 100% that we need to stand together on "all matters shooting/hunting".
As regards the Greens, unfortunately I don't have an opportunity to vent my anger against them locally as the last Green candidate here got about 20 first preference votes ( and he comes from a large family :P).
Unfortunately though, we don't do ourselves any favours with comments about "bring a crow with you and you can shoot away at pheasants tomorrow".

I don't like it any more than anyone else here, but for the moment if you are hunting for game, then you are breaking the law.

tudderone · 31-10-2020 10:39pm

hiddenmongoose wrote: »

From another thread earlier this year here on the shooting forum where a member is stating he will be voting green party(how is that working out for us now)..lets not forget that we as shooters(well some of us anyway) have brought this upon ourselves by voting for these idiots.

Now more than ever as a shooting community we need band together, and regardless of what our chosen corner of shooting is be it birds, deer or tartget we all need support each other. I have fired 2 shots in the last 10 years at pheasants as I have no interest in them but yet I have contacted TD's about this, how many here that is purely a pheasant/duck shooter can say they did the same regarding the delay in the deer licences? we need to be united, we need to stop voting the likes of the greens and those that will share power with them, we need to contact TD's on all shooting related issues and not just ones close to our own heart.
Be under no illusion the green party minister has his agenda here regarding the pheasant and the deer licence issue.

In fairness, hardly anyone votes for the greens, shooters or not. They are a one trick pony, that only appeal to the green zealots/nutters. They are there in a position of power because they were needed to make up the numbers with the other two cheeks of the same arse, to make up a government, and because ffg's paymasters wanted to keep the shinners out, thats all.

Like Labour were, they will be decimated the next time out.

grassroot1 · 01-11-2020 11:47am

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Right and wrong are quantitative in this situation.Is it right that golf,hurling, cycling,jogging etc are permitted within 5kms ,but shooting is not?What has the chance of spreading the disease more ?A minority sport that had a out a 5 month lifespan per year or a more pouplar sport that can be done any day of the year?
We are all supposed 'to be in this together." Well it sure as Hell doesn't feel like it. .Since Golfgate.Either the rules are for ALL sports,or thy arent going to be obeyed by anyone
How do you know that they havent bern contacting their TDs either??Been on the damn phone& computer all day about this...Again.
Sitting here listening to Limerick sound like a bloody warzone with illegal bangers going off.AGS would be better employed in chasing down that,than bothering lads out for amallard or pheasent tomrrow.

This post by 100 it really annoys me the unfairness of this recreational hunting ban. We are in level 5 because of the fall out surrounding the county finals yet gaa games go ahead.
I cannot begin to express how angry I am right noe

skipking · 01-11-2020 7:10pm

went out this morning as i would any first of november with my shooting buddy but without guns. we walked the fields with our dogs for about 3 hours a man each side of the hedge breaking no law. met a few people doing the same dont see how its safer to leave the guns at home.

marlin vs · 02-11-2020 1:23am

grassroot1 wrote: »

This post by 100 it really annoys me the unfairness of this recreational hunting ban. We are in level 5 because of the fall out surrounding the county finals yet gaa games go ahead.
I cannot begin to express how angry I am right noe

Same here I was watching the games on tv because I couldn't go shooting with my dogs and was giving out to the telly telling them not to be doing handbag stuff and they were an awful lot closer than I would have been to anyone, i'm just sick of what the Government is doing to us, we are scapegoats for gun crime and now scapegoats for covid.:mad:

Half-cocked · 02-11-2020 8:59am

skipking wrote: »

went out this morning as i would any first of november with my shooting buddy but without guns. we walked the fields with our dogs for about 3 hours a man each side of the hedge breaking no law. met a few people doing the same dont see how its safer to leave the guns at home.

I did the same, filled a few feeders too. One local poacher was out banging away but cleared off when he saw us approaching. There's always one gobs***e who ignores the rules and we'll all get tarred with that brush.

tudderone · 02-11-2020 12:53pm

In todays paper, there is an un-named FG td complaining that this game shooting ban was the brain-child of the greens, which seems likely. The rural blueshirts are getting it in the neck.

hiddenmongoose · 02-11-2020 2:10pm

tudderone wrote: »

In todays paper, there is an un-named FG td complaining that this game shooting ban was the brain-child of the greens, which seems likely. The rural blueshirts are getting it in the neck.

And rightly so, unfortunately this is the age we live in, unless you are proactive in emailing and phoning and being vocal about issues then noting gets done. the more you contact and pressure TD's the better. In general its not our way as we like to just get on with our way of life without hassle etc but our way will be eroded unless we stand up and be heard.

garrettod · 02-11-2020 2:56pm

Folks,

For those of you referring to the GAA, you need to remember one thing :

The GAA are well organised, stand united, and quickly remind the politicans of their influence, when they need to.

We, on the other hand.....

hiddenmongoose · 02-11-2020 3:29pm

garrettod wrote: »

We, on the other hand.....

We on the other hand squabble among ourselves, have more organizations (who throw each other and ourselves under the bus at every chance there is to grab some power or money)and alphabet groups than you can count and never support each other.

tudderone · 02-11-2020 3:58pm

hiddenmongoose wrote: »

We on the other hand squabble among ourselves, have more organizations (who throw each other and ourselves under the bus at every chance there is to grab some power or money)and alphabet groups than you can count and never support each other.

In fairness with all things game shooting, this is a job for the NARGC.

02-11-2020 4:00pm

garrettod wrote: »

Folks,

For those of you referring to the GAA, you need to remember one thing :

The GAA are well organised, stand united, and quickly remind the politicans of their influence, when they need to.

We, on the other hand.....

hiddenmongoose wrote: »

We on the other hand squabble among ourselves, have more organizations (who throw each other and ourselves under the bus at every chance there is to grab some power or money)and alphabet groups than you can count and never support each other.

Maybe we need to make another group then? A bit like the NRA in the US except with a more Irish name... How about the Irish Rifle Association? Then we would call ourselves the IR... Actually never mind lads, carry on

02-11-2020 4:33pm

tudderone wrote: »

In fairness with all things game shooting, this is a job for the NARGC.

Agreed. And credit to them they seem to be doing whatever they can for their members. Getting legal opinion on Saturday, radio interviews and preparing for high court next week if things don't change.

tudderone · 02-11-2020 4:42pm

I'd love to see that dozy dollop Ryan getting a grilling in court.

meathstevie · 02-11-2020 8:16pm

tudderone wrote: »

In todays paper, there is an un-named FG td complaining that this game shooting ban was the brain-child of the greens, which seems likely. The rural blueshirts are getting it in the neck.

Have you a link ? I would love to read it.

If that’s the case then it’s blatant abuse of process and abuse of the Gardai who were being trotted out as lightning deflector for their back room political games. It would be beyond scandalous to abuse the most serious social, medical and economical emergency in decades to further their own petty agenda.

tudderone · 02-11-2020 10:41pm

meathstevie wrote: »

Have you a link ? I would love to read it.

If that’s the case then it’s blatant abuse of process and abuse of the Gardai who were being trotted out as lightning deflector for their back room political games. It would be beyond scandalous to abuse the most serious social, medical and economical emergency in decades to further their own petty agenda.

Sorry i don't have a link, but i can quote if it doesn't break the rules.

Fine gaels Tim Lombard warning "There is a need for common sense. Anyone who lives in rural Ireland knows that shooting is one of the least likely places that the virus would exist or spread"

Independent TD Carol Nolan said that the ban was yet another example of how Green ministers are "Out of touch". She also noted she had been contacted by "a significant number of gun club members, who are firmly convinced that the green party are using the virus restrictions to effectively destroy their capacity to exist"

One Fine Gael TD said "Once again we are cleaning up after the greens. They are only happy when they are at war with rural Ireland". He then added "Its typical Eamon Ryan. He wants to fill the country with wolves, But fellows cannot go out to shoot a couple of pheasants"

Vizzy · 02-11-2020 10:57pm

NARGC STATEMENT – 2.11.’20
PROHIBITION ON GAME HUNTING
November 1st has come and gone, and we hope that tempers have eased somewhat. Despite this, the task of having our game hunting restored remains a challenge to which we are as determined as ever, and we are absolutely focussed on the job in hand.
During today, we wrote once again to An Taoiseach, the Minister for Justice, the Minister for Health, the Garda Commissioner and a number of his key staff in the Firearms Policy Unit and, in addition, to every TD and Senator who forms part of our Oireachtas – in all some 222 contacts. In all cases we detailed to them our deeply held views and also copied them with the advice of our Senior Counsel who unequivocally states that An Garda Siochana and whatever Government Dept. they take advice from – HAVE GOT IT WRONG !
In addition, our National Chairman spoke on Morning Ireland radio just before 8.30 a.m. and he again spoke on Shannonside/Northern Sound Radio at approx. 9.30 a.m. and later then Ciaran Mullooley from RTE1 Television filmed our Chairman and Members at Streete Gun Club (Co. Longford). This was aired on Six One News today. All of this PR work further generates an awareness of the fact that the NARGC profoundly disagrees with the Government assessment of law (S.I. 448 of 2020) as promulgated to the public on the Garda website and which was communicated to front-line Gardai. Put simply, once again, the NARGC submits that this assessment of law is wrong and does not reflect what rough shooting is about in rural Ireland.
We understand that a number of TD’s - who have expressed their incredulity at the current impasse - hope to formally raise this matter in Dáil Eireann tomorrow (Tuesday 3.11.’20) and if Government does not see sense, then the matter of Injunctive relief from the High Court would seem to be the next available approach. We are however giving Government every opportunity to remedy this situation.
Dan Curley
National Chairman
NARGC

Vizzy · 02-11-2020 11:02pm

tudderone wrote: »

Sorry i don't have a link, but i can quote if it doesn't break the rules.

Fine gaels Tim Lombard warning "There is a need for common sense. Anyone who lives in rural Ireland knows that shooting is one of the least likely places that the virus would exist or spread"

Independent TD Carol Nolan said that the ban was yet another example of how Green ministers are "Out of touch". She also noted she had been contacted by "a significant number of gun club members, who are firmly convinced that the green party are using the virus restrictions to effectively destroy their capacity to exist"

One Fine Gael TD said "Once again we are cleaning up after the greens. They are only happy when they are at war with rural Ireland". He then added "Its typical Eamon Ryan. He wants to fill the country with wolves, But fellows cannot go out to shoot a couple of pheasants"

When I heard about this last week I got it on good information that this was "stirred up" by a Green Minister ( no prizes for guessing) a FG TD and a guy in the NPWS.
Ironically, we have a fairly vehement Green Party member in our gunclub. He's not one bit impressed with the situation.

02-11-2020 11:36pm

Vizzy wrote: »

When I heard about this last week I got it on good information that this was "stirred up" by a Green Minister ( no prizes for guessing) a FG TD and a guy in the NPWS.
Ironically, we have a fairly vehement Green Party member in our gunclub. He's not one bit impressed with the situation.

The bit you mention about the green in the gun club. I think myself we are heading for climate disaster for sure and I'd love a good green party to support but they are so unreasonable in their approach. I was reading a thread here from 2007/8 and the greens were pretty much trying to ban target pistols because of gangland crime. Ridiculous stuff. Then I was reading on their website that they believe a Christchurch mass shooting can happen in Ireland if we don't stop allowing 14 year olds from shooting while under supervision. They are brainwashed idealogues that do more harm to environmental issues than help because no one takes them seriously anymore. The leftist anti-gun at all costs agenda is unfortunately part of the green ideology.

deeksofdoom · 02-11-2020 11:36pm

Vizzy wrote: »

When I heard about this last week I got it on good information that this was "stirred up" by a Green Minister ( no prizes for guessing) a FG TD and a guy in the NPWS.
Ironically, we have a fairly vehement Green Party member in our gunclub. He's not one bit impressed with the situation.

Maybe we should all join the Green Party. We’re basically the same, we love the outdoors, the environment, conservation and the wildlife... except we eat the wildlife.

tudderone · 02-11-2020 11:39pm

The Rifleman wrote: »

The bit you mention about the green in the gun club. I think myself we are heading for climate disaster for sure and I'd love a good green party to support but they are so unreasonable in their approach. I was reading a thread here from 2007/8 and the greens were pretty much trying to ban target pistols because of gangland crime. Ridiculous stuff. Then I was reading on their website that they believe a Christchurch mass shooting can happen in Ireland if we don't stop allowing 14 year olds from shooting while under supervision. They are brainwashed idealogues that do more harm to environmental issues than help because no one takes them seriously anymore. The leftist anti-gun at all costs agenda is unfortunately part of the green ideology.

Did you see the news tonight from Vienna ? The EU has being banning anything not nailed down, hasn't really worked out has it ? Criminals don't care about the law.

02-11-2020 11:47pm

tudderone wrote: »

Did you see the news tonight from Vienna ? The EU has being banning anything not nailed down, hasn't really worked out has it ? Criminals don't care about the law.

I haven't actually. Just reading it now. Terrible stuff. And like you say, coming after us won't stop the criminals/terrorists. We are the easy targets. Gives the ignorant masses the illusion that something is being done. Because it's the guns that are evil or something.

Vizzy · 02-11-2020 11:48pm

deeksofdoom wrote: »

Maybe we should all join the Green Party. We’re basically the same, we love the outdoors, the environment, conservation and the wildlife... except we eat the wildlife.

This guy eats wildlife as well, in fact he probably hunts more than most of the club members.
I rang him today to bend his ear about his party and I had to cut the conversation short as I thought he was going to get a heart attack cos he was so angry for missing the shooting yesterday.

tudderone · 02-11-2020 11:52pm

deeksofdoom wrote: »

Maybe we should all join the Green Party. We’re basically the same, we love the outdoors, the environment, conservation and the wildlife... except we eat the wildlife.

You have to be a vegan, sandal wearer, and live in a very upmarket suburb of Dublin. Mount merrion, blackrock or clontarf would do.

Half-cocked · 03-11-2020 8:46am

tudderone wrote: »

You have to be a vegan, sandal wearer, and live in a very upmarket suburb of Dublin. Mount merrion, blackrock or clontarf would do.

The Green party is apparently very democratic compared to other political parties. So why don't the NARGC and other shooting organizations encourage all their members to join up? Put all the above mentioned types into a minority within their own party? Get hunting off the agenda and concentrate on the real issues like losing our natural environment? Sounds like wishful thinking, but if antis can take over an organization (the RSPB in the UK), why can't pro-hunting groups take over an organization too?

zerosugarbuzz · 03-11-2020 8:51am

Half-cocked wrote: »

The Green party is apparently very democratic compared to other political parties. So why don't the NARGC and other shooting organizations encourage all their members to join up? Put all the above mentioned types into a minority within their own party? Get hunting off the agenda and concentrate on the real issues like losing our natural environment? Sounds like wishful thinking, but if antis can take over an organization (the RSPB in the UK), why can't pro-hunting groups take over an organization too?

Great idea, lease get rid of the cycle lanes while you’re in there.

03-11-2020 9:11am

Half-cocked wrote: »

The Green party is apparently very democratic compared to other political parties. So why don't the NARGC and other shooting organizations encourage all their members to join up? Put all the above mentioned types into a minority within their own party? Get hunting off the agenda and concentrate on the real issues like losing our natural environment? Sounds like wishful thinking, but if antis can take over an organization (the RSPB in the UK), why can't pro-hunting groups take over an organization too?

Actually not a bad idea. Reading here that the Greens have nearly 3,000 members. The NARGC alone have 24,000 plus members. 13% of NARGC members would be enough to take over. Eamon Ryan won the leadership by just 48 votes and the party is having some internal turmoil recently too.

BattleCorp · 03-11-2020 9:18am

The Rifleman wrote: »

Actually not a bad idea. Reading here that the Greens have nearly 3,000 members. The NARGC alone have 24,000 plus members. 13% of NARGC members would be enough to take over. Eamon Ryan won the leadership by just 48 votes and the party is having some internal turmoil recently too.

You'll find that most political parties will have internal voting rules etc. to stop such a coup taking place.

tudderone · 03-11-2020 10:24am

BattleCorp wrote: »

You'll find that most political parties will have internal voting rules etc. to stop such a coup taking place.

Its the beer halle putsch option so lads.

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