Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Don't Chute! · 31-10-2020 12:00AM

normanoffside wrote: »

What's that got to do with the relaxation of restrictions in Ireland?

He’s delighted because he see’s that as some sort of justification for what’s happening here.

normanoffside · 31-10-2020 12:00AM

gmisk wrote: »

The other poster said uk lockdown no?

He's wrong and not for the first time.

31-10-2020 12:02AM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello to the forum in general. This level of criticism is both unwarranted and downright incorrect. The HSE, by international comparison, has been doing exceptionally well, and proving quite the envy of many other countries. Ireland ‘outperforming almost all European countries in controlling spread of Covid-19’. Credit where it is due here, and it is clear that the combined efforts of the HSE, NPHET, and both governments in office during the pandemic crisis are performing very well indeed. The carping and negative tone present in some postings here is unhelpful.

Outperforming countries at controlling Covid because we are hiding under the bed while they try to live.

Our government are glad to just force us all out of work and cancel cancer screenings.

Covid is all that matters. Easy to do “well “ at something when you ignore literally everything else.

Downlinz · 31-10-2020 12:04AM

Deleted User wrote: »

There was a day with 4 cases and no deaths and less than 15 in hospitals across the country.

They still wouldn’t open pubs and let a decent number attend some sport events. They still wanted huge numbers out of work.

Then they act surprised about lockdown fatigue...

Other countries citizens might support a 2nd lockdown because they had lots of
freedom between May - October .

That was a government decision, not sure why you're blaming health experts for it. I doubt the CMO in any country was advising their government to open pubs immediately during a pandemic. :rolleyes:

As per usual in Ireland people will jump through whatever ridiculous hoops are necessary to justify the continuation of FF and FG's never ending power swap. It's always somebody else to blame.

Don't Chute! · 31-10-2020 12:08AM

I was over with my parents today and they had the radio on RTÉ in the background. Don’t know who it was but they actually said “ there is no precedent for this pandemic”.
You would really have to wonder what the **** is going on in that place! Are they that disconnected from reality?

Penfailed · 31-10-2020 12:09AM

normanoffside wrote: »

What's that got to do with the relaxation of restrictions in Ireland?

What has Sweden got to do with Ireland? You'll find that other countries restrictions (or lack of them) are worth comparing to our own restrictions.

FintanMcluskey · 31-10-2020 12:10AM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello to the forum in general. This level of criticism is both unwarranted and downright incorrect. The HSE, by international comparison, has been doing exceptionally well, and proving quite the envy of many other countries. Ireland ‘outperforming almost all European countries in controlling spread of Covid-19’. Credit where it is due here, and it is clear that the combined efforts of the HSE, NPHET, and both governments in office during the pandemic crisis are performing very well indeed. The carping and negative tone present in some postings here is unhelpful.

Who’s this lad?

FintanMcluskey · 31-10-2020 12:12AM

normanoffside wrote: »

Tony said that Community transmission was zero in May, yet we never saw a pub opened in Dublin. We weren't allowed to go on Holidays and the leaving cert was cancelled. We were being punished for HSE incompetence.

https://www.thejournal.ie/tony-holohan-community-transmission-5102798-May2020/

Wow.

Italy and most of Europe were almost fully reopened.

That’s a frustrating read

JeffKenna · 31-10-2020 12:13AM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello to the forum in general. This level of criticism is both unwarranted and downright incorrect. The HSE, by international comparison, has been doing exceptionally well, and proving quite the envy of many other countries. Ireland ‘outperforming almost all European countries in controlling spread of Covid-19’. Credit where it is due here, and it is clear that the combined efforts of the HSE, NPHET, and both governments in office during the pandemic crisis are performing very well indeed. The carping and negative tone present in some postings here is unhelpful.

Poor attempt at trolling.

normanoffside · 31-10-2020 12:15AM

Penfailed wrote: »

What has Sweden got to do with Ireland? You'll find that other countries restrictions (or lack of them) are worth comparing to our own restrictions.

Discussing Sweden (or any other country)'s approach to restrictions compared to ours is grand IMO.

Just posting a 'news dump' that 'UK' is going to go into lockdown (incorrect btw) without context to the topic of restrictions in Ireland is not really relevant here.

normanoffside · 31-10-2020 12:16AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Who’s this lad?

He's very important because he writes in bold.

Penfailed · 31-10-2020 12:19AM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello to the forum in general. This level of criticism is both unwarranted and downright incorrect. The HSE, by international comparison, has been doing exceptionally well, and proving quite the envy of many other countries. Ireland ‘outperforming almost all European countries in controlling spread of Covid-19’. Credit where it is due here, and it is clear that the combined efforts of the HSE, NPHET, and both governments in office during the pandemic crisis are performing very well indeed. The carping and negative tone present in some postings here is unhelpful.

Hello. I'm not sure why you felt it necessary to embolden your text but I thought I'd do likewise in reply. The 'carping and negative tone present in some postings' is unhelpful to who or what? It's a discussion forum. People are (mostly) free to discuss the topic as they see fit, negative or otherwise. The HSE are and have been a disaster throughout. That's not to say the frontline doctors and nurses aren't working hard and doing a great job in the circumstances. It's the lack of capacity due to historical mismanagement that has left us in a situation where we have to lockdown again.

Penfailed · 31-10-2020 12:21AM

normanoffside wrote: »

Discussing Sweden (or any other country)'s approach to restrictions compared to ours is grand IMO.

Just posting a 'news dump' that 'UK' is going to go into lockdown (incorrect btw) without context to the topic of restrictions in Ireland is not really relevant here.

Why? I think it's perfectly relevant. Are you the arbiter of what's relevant in the thread now?

FintanMcluskey · 31-10-2020 12:23AM

Penfailed wrote: »

What has Sweden got to do with Ireland? You'll find that other countries restrictions (or lack of them) are worth comparing to our own restrictions.

The media, and those in favour of endless restrictions, repeatedly referenced Sweden last May to prove a point. While misunderstanding statistics of course.

Now that Sweden have some of the lowest cases in Europe, the comparison is irrelevant of course, and Ireland must only be compared to countries 10x more populated

FintanMcluskey · 31-10-2020 12:24AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Hello. I'm not sure why you felt it necessary to embolden your text but I thought I'd do likewise in reply. The 'carping and negative tone present in some postings' is unhelpful to who or what? It's a discussion forum. People are (mostly) free to discuss the topic as they see fit, negative or otherwise. The HSE are and have been a disaster throughout. That's not to say the frontline doctors and nurses aren't working hard and doing a great job in the circumstances. It's the lack of capacity due to historical mismanagement that has left us in a situation where we have to lockdown again.

fantastic reply

31-10-2020 12:29AM

I don't like this pro lockdown view from many on other threads, because as they say "I'm doing ok in this" it doesn't really affect me.. that would be like a tangible gas floating around killing everyone, and you're standing there with a special mask on saying, it doesn't affect me...But if it's going to change everyones way of life for the worse and for years to come, is it really not affecting you?

They say , we must protect the vulnerable..well when many lose their houses and end up on prime time in cramped hotels with kids and suicidal spouses, who's going to help them..when your wife or husband or daughter or any family member or indeed friends get a diagnosis that cannot be helped, owing to failures and delays by the HSE, remember 1 in 2 will get cancer..who will you blame?

I say these are the vulnerable in all of this, the ones we have yet to see and there's less than six degrees of separation between us all as irish people on the island. You're fooling yourself if you think, id doesn't affect me..give the restrictions time.. Paracelsus once said, all things are poison, even water...the true poison is the dosage...we could just about take the first one but a second, a third and anything further will poison this nation to the point that more will die systemically than ever would FROM or WITH Covid 19.

We need to protect the vulnerable?? really, from the company that said we'll never drag a woman through the judicial system..and did just that to Cancer victims...read the apology below which acknowledges all their failings, held up in the cold light of day...tell me they are trying to protect the vulnerable!!

The whole thing smacks of arrogance and what's worse, just because the waves have yet to be felt by some of the luckier ones in society...That's fine, because it's not affecting me!! Give it time, we'll all feel it soon enough!

Required reading for those with short memories

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50145195

Cluedo Monopoly · 31-10-2020 12:41AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Hello. I'm not sure why you felt it necessary to embolden your text but I thought I'd do likewise in reply. The 'carping and negative tone present in some postings' is unhelpful to who or what? It's a discussion forum. People are (mostly) free to discuss the topic as they see fit, negative or otherwise. The HSE are and have been a disaster throughout. That's not to say the frontline doctors and nurses aren't working hard and doing a great job in the circumstances. It's the lack of capacity due to historical mismanagement that has left us in a situation where we have to lockdown again.

Yep. Nearly 1 year ago the INMO posted this (November 2019)

https://inmo.ie/Home/Index/217/13541

2019 has seen the highest number of patients on trolleys in any year since records began – despite it still being November.

“Winter has only just begun and the record is already broken. These statistics are the hallmark of a wildly bureaucratic health service, which is failing staff and patients alike.

“We take no pleasure in having to record these figures for a decade and a half. We know the problem, but we also know the solutions: extra beds in hospitals, safe staffing levels, and more step-down and community care outside of the hospital.

The FF and FG governments of the past 20 years have failed us miserably. You reap what you sow.

“No other developed country faces anything close to this trolley problem. It can be solved, but a strong political agenda to drive change is needed.

This will never happen.

31-10-2020 12:44AM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello to the forum in general. This level of criticism is both unwarranted and downright incorrect. The HSE, by international comparison, has been doing exceptionally well, and proving quite the envy of many other countries. Ireland ‘outperforming almost all European countries in controlling spread of Covid-19’. Credit where it is due here, and it is clear that the combined efforts of the HSE, NPHET, and both governments in office during the pandemic crisis are performing very well indeed. The carping and negative tone present in some postings here is unhelpful.

Hi Tony

FintanMcluskey · 31-10-2020 12:46AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Hi Tony

I’ve reread that comment in Tony’s voice.

It actually works

funnydoggy · 31-10-2020 12:48AM

Tony dude what are the chances of a pint at Christmas

31-10-2020 12:49AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’ve reread that comment in Tony’s voice.

It actually works

Sounds just like him.......talking down to the plebs.

HBC08 · 31-10-2020 12:56AM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Tony dude what are the chances of a pint at Christmas

Fairly good if we get to zero covid like we did during the summer

Source:funnydoggy talking through his/her hoop.

Ferris_Bueller · 31-10-2020 01:00AM

retro:electro wrote: »

I remember being severely dismayed during the summer when they’d give the updated figures which were something like 9 new cases and 0 deaths, then cut to the press conference where Tony would be sitting there still finger wagging and stating we’re not yet where we need to be. Those figures were as good as it is ever ever going to be. Tumbleweeds were blowing in hospitals and community transmission was basically non existent, yet we were still being treated as prisoners and told off for having any kind of hope. It was just utterly depressing. While he is calling the shots we have absolutely 0 chance of any kind of approved normality any time soon.

I don't want to point the finger directly at Tony Holohan but this is exactly it. They have said in the past few weeks that zero Covid policy is not something that will work in our country, so what were they waiting for in the summer when the cases were down to single figures some days?! If we aren't going to get to zero what is the target for certain sectors to open back up?

I can understand the lockdown now especially when you look around Europe and see how out of control it is in many other countries, but its harder to take it seriously and have the will to follow the restrictions when it seems as if there is no end (or plan) on the horizon.

funnydoggy · 31-10-2020 01:00AM

HBC08 wrote: »

Fairly good if we get to zero covid like we did during the summer

Source:funnydoggy talking through his/her hoop.

Ah g'way will you :pac:

Ha Long Bay · 31-10-2020 01:01AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The media, and those in favour of endless restrictions, repeatedly referenced Sweden last May to prove a point. While misunderstanding statistics of course.

Now that Sweden have some of the lowest cases in Europe, the comparison is irrelevant of course, and Ireland must only be compared to countries 10x more populated

Can you provide a single media outlet or poster who advocates endless restrictions?

I don't get these kind of cheap soundbites, No one wants restrictions not a single person, The majority of the population understand why they are required on a temporary basis.

We can increase hospital and ICU capacity but will always hit a limit unfortunately thats the nature of this virus.

FintanMcluskey · 31-10-2020 01:04AM

john4321 wrote: »

Can you provide a single media outlet or poster who advocates endless restrictions?

I don't get these kind of cheap soundbites, No one wants restrictions not a single person, The majority of the population understand why they are required on a temporary basis.

We can increase hospital and ICU capacity but will always hit a limit unfortunately thats the nature of this virus.

I’ll address the point in bold 1st

We can, but we didn’t so it’s kind of a pointless soundbite

The reason the restrictions are endless is because there is no quantifiable end point

Ha Long Bay · 31-10-2020 01:10AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’ll address the point in bold 1st

We can, but we didn’t so it’s kind of a pointless soundbite

The reason the restrictions are endless is because there is no quantifiable end point

You didn't address the point though you selectively quoted it without providing an answer and avoided the rest of my post.

Ill ask again can you provide a single media outlet or poster who advocates endless restrictions?

normanoffside · 31-10-2020 01:11AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sounds just like him.......talking down to the plebs.

You’re right. Just praising the HSE, government and NPHET, not one mention of the general public who by his own admission and gotten community transmission down to zero in mid May.

I get the feeling Tony see’s people as a nuisance and wishes we were all robots so that his modelling and projections could all work out as planned.

charlie14 · 31-10-2020 01:13AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The media, and those in favour of endless restrictions, repeatedly referenced Sweden last May to prove a point. While misunderstanding statistics of course.

Now that Sweden have some of the lowest cases in Europe, the comparison is irrelevant of course, and Ireland must only be compared to countries 10x more populated

Sweden had 3,188 new cases today, and they are 2 weeks behind Ireland and everywhere else in rising cases. 5 of their regions comprising 2/3 of their population are now in local lockdown.

Tegnell now says that it is futile and immoral to seek herd immunity and the transmission of an infection like Covid-19 cannot be halted without a vaccine.

Gael23 · 31-10-2020 01:13AM

john4321 wrote: »

You didn't address the point though you selectively quoted it without providing an answer and avoided the rest of my post.

Ill ask again can you provide a single media outlet or poster who advocates endless restrictions?

Tony Holohan.
There is no hope coming from him, none at all

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