The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

paulie21 · 27-10-2020 10:04PM

Lions trade a 6th round pick to the Cowboys for Everson Griffen

Tristram · 30-10-2020 05:37PM

Julio Jones is such a head-scatcher (heart-breaker in fantasy). With 12,700+ receiving yards he is ranked 22nd all-time. Yet he only has 59 TDs after almost a decade ranking at 99th all-time. I don't understand how Atlanta have managed to contrive this. Any time I've watched him play he seems an absolute beast but when it comes to the red-zone he is routinely ignored.

OOnegative · 30-10-2020 07:38PM

Tristram wrote: »

Julio Jones is such a head-scatcher (heart-breaker in fantasy). With 12,700+ receiving yards he is ranked 22nd all-time. Yet he only has 59 TDs after almost a decade ranking at 99th all-time. I don't understand how Atlanta have managed to contrive this. Any time I've watched him play he seems an absolute beast but when it comes to the red-zone he is routinely ignored.

Roddy White who is retired 5 years still has 4 more receiving TD’s than Julio.

el Fenomeno · 30-10-2020 07:42PM

OOnegative wrote: »

Roddy White who is retired 5 years still has 4 more receiving TD’s than Julio.

What do you mean "still"...?

He was drafted 6 years before Julio Jones and played in 40 more games that Jones has palyed so far.

OOnegative · 30-10-2020 07:51PM

el Fenomeno wrote: »

What do you mean "still"...?

He was drafted 6 years before Julio Jones and played in 40 more games that Jones has palyed so far.

I wasn’t having a go at Julio, i just checked Whites stats and couldn’t believe he was still ahead of Jones TD wise even being retired 5 years.

el Fenomeno · 30-10-2020 08:05PM

OOnegative wrote: »

I wasn’t having a go at Julio, i just checked Whites stats and couldn’t believe he was still ahead of Jones TD wise even being retired 5 years.

Again though, what do you mean "even being retired 5 years"....…?

That's like saying "wow, Jerry Rice had more TDs than Michael Thomas despite being retired 15 years..."

Yes, because he has played a lot more games than Thomas. The same way White has played a lot more games than Jones. Your point might stand if they were drafted the same year but I'm not sure what you're trying to say...

OOnegative · 30-10-2020 08:11PM

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Again though, what do you mean "even being retired 5 years"....…?

That's like saying "wow, Jerry Rice had more TDs than Michael Thomas despite being retired 15 years..."

Yes, because he has played a lot more games than Thomas. The same way White has played a lot more games than Jones. Your point might stand if they were drafted the same year but I'm not sure what you're trying to say...

The point I’m trying to make is I thought JJ was more productive like the OP who brought the subject up originally about him. I figured he was way ahead of White TD wise, a guy who is retired 5 years. That a bit more clear?

el Fenomeno · 30-10-2020 08:21PM

OOnegative wrote: »

The point I’m trying to make is I thought JJ was more productive like the OP who brought the subject up originally about him. I figured he was way ahead of White TD wise, a guy who is retired 5 years. That a bit more clear?

No, not clear at all.

Why do you keep bringing up how long White is retired? Why does that matter?

eagle eye · 30-10-2020 08:21PM

OOnegative wrote:

The point Iâ€™m trying to make is I thought JJ was more productive like the OP who brought the subject up originally about him. I figured he was way ahead of White TD wise, a guy who is retired 5 years. That a bit more clear?

Well what you should be saying is that with the way the game has gone and how much it favours wide receivers today that you'd expect him to be ahead of White with a lot less games.
I'm expecting it won't be long before Jerry Rice loses his records due to how much the game favours receivers today.

OOnegative · 30-10-2020 08:26PM

el Fenomeno wrote: »

No, not clear at all.

Why do you keep bringing up how long White is retired? Why does that matter?

I’ll leave you to it so, I’ve made the point I wanted. You don’t agree fair enough.

el Fenomeno · 31-10-2020 09:35AM

Kyle Orton has more passing yards than Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson - the last 2 MVP winners - combined.

Even more crazy when you consider Orton has been retired for 6 years.

eagle eye · 31-10-2020 09:48AM

el Fenomeno wrote:

Kyle Orton has more passing yards than Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson - the last 2 MVP winners - combined.

Matt Ryan is top ten all time, Ryan Fitzpatrick is 31st.

adrian522 · 31-10-2020 10:10AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Well what you should be saying is that with the way the game has gone and how much it favours wide receivers today that you'd expect him to be ahead of White with a lot less games.
I'm expecting it won't be long before Jerry Rice loses his records due to how much the game favours receivers today.

Not sure about that. Rice is so far in front in a lot of these records that its hard to see who will overtake him,

Receiving yards: 22,895

Active players:

Larry Fitz - 17,290
Jason Witten 13,012
Julio - 12,709
AB - 11,263
Desean Jackson - 10,575
Demarius Thomos - 9,763
Hopkins - 9306
AJ Green - 9204

Realistically a player is going to have to play at least 15 years at a very high level to have a chance at this, so this record will stand for at least another decade.

Receiving TD's is similar:

Rice 197
Fitz: 120
Gronk: 81
Graham 78
Brown 75
Witten 73
AJ Green 63
DT: 63
Olsen 60
Julio 59
Hopkins 57

Maybe some of his records will fall but the above 2 are safe for a long time. Receptions is probably the same,

Fitz would need another 150 receptions to overtake him and no one else even close. Julio is over 700 receptions behind.

I just don't see who is going to take these records.

eagle eye · 31-10-2020 10:59AM

Yeah, he had a twenty year career which will make it difficult.
The average per game yardage leaders shed some light on what I'm saying. Jerry Rice sits 11th on that list and seven of the top eight are still playing, Calvin Johnson is at no. 3.

phatkev · 31-10-2020 11:20AM

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Kyle Orton has more passing yards than Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson - the last 2 MVP winners - combined.

Even more crazy when you consider Orton has been retired for 6 years.

How many more attempts has Orton had though?

White had less receptions than Jones currently has and has still got 4 more TDs, which I think is what the originally post was referring to. Or maybe not but thats what I took from it

el Fenomeno · 31-10-2020 12:02PM

phatkev wrote: »

How many more attempts has Orton had though?

White had less receptions than Jones currently has and has still got 4 more TDs, which I think is what the originally post was referring to. Or maybe not but thats what I took from it

He made no reference to receptions, he was specifically trying to make some strange point about "even though he retired x years ago...."

Christy42 · 31-10-2020 12:10PM

el Fenomeno wrote: »

He made no reference to receptions, he was specifically trying to make some strange point about "even though he retired x years ago...."

The point about retiring is because the league is becoming more pass happy over time leading to more catches and receiving TDs.

eagle eye · 31-10-2020 12:10PM

el Fenomeno wrote:

He made no reference to receptions, he was specifically trying to make some strange point about "even though he retired x years ago...."

Well it appears there's merit to it.

31-10-2020 12:12PM

How isn't Ravens/Steelers on MNF?

eagle eye · 31-10-2020 12:14PM

Deleted User wrote:

How isn't Ravens/Steelers on MNF?

Why would it be MNF?

The_Honeybadger · 31-10-2020 12:19PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How isn't Ravens/Steelers on MNF?

Probably because they are on primetime at thanksgiving as well in a few weeks but yeah, it does look like the best game of the week. I’m not complaining, will be able to go to bed at a respectable hour with work early on Monday.

In fairness Eagles vs Cowboys on Sunday night would have been a good looking game when they were setting the schedule.

31-10-2020 12:19PM

Never mind, just seen it's on the box.

el Fenomeno · 31-10-2020 12:27PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Well it appears there's merit to it.

What merit is there to it?

White had 808 receptions for 63 TDs.
Jones has 835 receptions for 59 TDs.

Those are remarkably similar, the difference is marginal.

If the point was supposed to be that Jones has less touchdowns despite playing in a more pass-happy and receiver friendly era, then it doesn't have merit because Jones has achieved the above in 40 less games and has a better TD-per-game ratio over his career.

Add in the 8 playoff games that Jones has played and he overtakes White on TDs and he's still played 32 games less than him.

adrian522 · 31-10-2020 12:52PM

I think the point is that Jones is frequently talked about as one of the best receivers in the game, something you don't hear about White yet remarkably similar stat lines, even though Jones is playing in a more pass happy era.

I think its fairly strange that Jones doesn't score more TD's to be honest given the amount of yardage he racks up.

Tristram · 31-10-2020 01:00PM

adrian522 wrote: »

I think the point is that Jones is frequently talked about as one of the best receivers in the game, something you don't hear about White yet remarkably similar stat lines, even though Jones is playing in a more pass happy era.

I think its fairly strange that Jones doesn't score more TD's to be honest given the amount of yardage he racks up.

Am I imagining it that the Falcons don't target him in the red-zone? I get that he is double-covered most of the time and the Falcons have had strong alternative receiver options but I still think it's surprising he doesn't have more TDs.

eagle eye · 31-10-2020 01:02PM

el Fenomeno wrote:

What merit is there to it?

White has more touchdowns in less games.

el Fenomeno · 31-10-2020 01:19PM

eagle eye wrote: »

White has more touchdowns in less games.

No he doesn't.

The very opposite is true.

Jones has more TDs in less games.

Jones = 140 games / 65 TDs
White = 171 Games / 63 TDs

Tristram · 31-10-2020 03:14PM

I thought Jones has 59 TDs

adrian522 · 31-10-2020 03:22PM

Yeah 59 TD's, 132 Games. (Regular Season)

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13982/julio-jones

Post Season:

6 TD's/7 Games.

OOnegative · 31-10-2020 03:28PM

Tristram wrote: »

I thought Jones has 59 TDs

Poster was including post season TD’s in his total of 65. He has 59 regular season TD’s.

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