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  • Registered Users Posts: 376 ✭✭john123470


    briany wrote: »
    This just sounds a bit facetious to me. Look into the backgrounds of the types of people who commit these attacks and you'll probably find a diverse range of life situations. Single or married. Unemployed or business owner. Illiterate or holder of university degree.

    Whatever. What they do have in common is the delusion that their life is worth 10 of yours and that youre worth killing to prove it

    Isn't that good enough for you ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    briany wrote: »
    What drives young Muslim men to do these kinds of things?

    .
    What drove irish men to do them?

    Why doesn't it happen here?

    What do we do differently?

    France has freedom of expression for some not for others.

    You can't wear headscarfs to school. But you can print racist cartoons.

    Lots of muslims get attacked in racist attacks. They got one of ours so we get one of theirs.

    Also poor guidance ..the dublin iman ..we are very lucky to have him.

    I mean the guy who did the beheading was into ufc ...went to one of those gyms.

    SOciety in general encourages all young men to be violent.

    Video games etc.

    Its all to blame.

    Also ..a lot of refugees are deeply traumatized. And have been exposed to a lot of violence early on.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Justin Credible Darts


    Religion of peace huh........


    you never see atheists, agnostics etc doing this sort of thing,


    always the ones who believe in an invisible man.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes



    you never see atheists, agnostics etc doing this sort of thing,




    In fairness there aren't really a lot of them. :)

    Also atheism or agnostics are like a movement of meh.

    Its more like a lack of passion for anything.

    Except for dawkins ...who has lost it.

    But true you don't see it with them.

    But i would say they don't face discrimination. And have not been exposed to violence then have to flee from it at a young age.

    And they don't face racist attacks on their community.

    I do think refugees having to face violence and being uprooted early on is going to be very disturbing on the psyche.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    What drove irish men to do them?

    Why doesn't it happen here?

    What do we do differently?

    France has freedom of expression for some not for others.

    You can't wear headscarfs to school. But you can print racist cartoons.

    Lots of muslims get attacked in racist attacks. They got one of ours so we get one of theirs.

    Also poor guidance ..the dublin iman ..we are very lucky to have him.

    I mean the guy who did the beheading was into ufc ...went to one of those gyms.

    SOciety in general encourages all young men to be violent.

    Video games etc.

    Its all to blame.

    Also ..a lot of refugees are deeply traumatized. And have been exposed to a lot of violence early on.

    Do you ever stop posting nonsense?

    What beheadings of innocent people did Irish men do?

    Where and how does society encourage young men to be violent?

    So UFC and video games are to blame?


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  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As I always have to ask on threads like these; isn't it amazing that specifically the Brits decided to be racist again Muslims but not Hindus. Why is it that Hindus outperform natives economically yet Muslims underperform. Is there any chance at all that maybe the immigrants themselves are part of the issue? Or were the Brits just incredibly specifically racist against Muslims in the 70s?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    The onslaught will keep coming while we have enough soft bellied soft minded fools inviting them onward with hearts a bleeding.

    Will we ever get rid of them again is the question. I would say yes. But it won't be pretty. Theres a reason European supremacy has been so successful for centuries.

    The bear has gotten fat and lazy from learning to farm his salmon and honey. But keep poking him...


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    BloodBath wrote: »
    Do you ever stop posting nonsense?
    Reported and ad hominem.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    Sam Harris on Islam after the publishing of cartoons in Danish newspaper, 2006:

    In recent days, crowds of thousands have gathered throughout the Muslim world—burning European embassies, issuing threats, and even taking hostages—in protest over 12 cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad that were first published in a Danish newspaper last September. The problem is not merely that the cartoons were mildly derogatory. The furor primarily erupted over the fact that the Prophet had been depicted at all. Many Muslims consider any physical rendering of Muhammad to be an act of idolatry. And idolatry is punishable by death. Criticism of Muhammad or his teaching—which was also implicit in the cartoons—is considered blasphemy. As it turns out, blasphemy is also punishable by death. So pious Muslims have two reasons to “not accept less than a severing of the heads of those responsible,” as was recently elucidated by a preacher at the Al Omari mosque in Gaza.

    The religious hysteria has not been confined to the “extremists” of the Muslim world. Seventeen Arab governments issued a joint statement of protest, calling for the punishment of those responsible. Pakistan’s parliament unanimously condemned the drawings as a “vicious, outrageous and provocative campaign” that has “hurt the faith and feelings of Muslims all over the world.” Turkey’s prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, while still seeking his nation’s entry into the European Union, nevertheless declared that the cartoons were an attack upon the “spiritual values” of Muslims everywhere. The leader of Lebanon’s governing Hezbollah faction observed that the whole episode could have been avoided if only the novelist Salman Rushdie had been properly slaughtered for writing “The Satanic Verses.”

    Let us take stock of the moral intuitions now on display in the House of Islam: On Aug. 17, 2005, an Iraqi insurgent helped collect the injured survivors of a car bombing, rushed them to a hospital and then detonated his own bomb, murdering those who were already mortally wounded as well as the doctors and nurses struggling to save their lives. Where were the cries of outrage from the Muslim world? Religious sociopaths kill innocents by the hundreds in the capitols of Europe, blow up the offices of the U.N. and the Red Cross, purposefully annihilate crowds of children gathered to collect candy from U.S. soldiers on the streets of Baghdad, kidnap journalists, behead them, and the videos of their butchery become the most popular form of pornography in the Muslim world, and no one utters a word of protest because these atrocities have been perpetrated “in defense of Islam.” But draw a picture of the Prophet, and pious mobs convulse with pious rage. One could hardly ask for a better example of religious dogmatism and its pseudo-morality eclipsing basic, human goodness.

    It is time we recognized—and obliged the Muslim world to recognize—that “Muslim extremism” is not extreme among Muslims. Mainstream Islam itself represents an extremist rejection of intellectual honesty, gender equality, secular politics and genuine pluralism. The truth about Islam is as politically incorrect as it is terrifying: Islam is all fringe and no center. In Islam, we confront a civilization with an arrested history. It is as though a portal in time has opened, and the Christians of the 14th century are pouring into our world.

    Islam is the fastest growing religion in Europe. Throughout the E.U., Muslim immigrants often show little inclination to acquire the secular and civil values of their host countries, and yet exploit these values to the utmost—demanding tolerance for their backwardness, their misogyny, their anti-Semitism, and the genocidal hatred that is regularly preached in their mosques. Political correctness and fears of racism have rendered many secular Europeans incapable of opposing the terrifying religious commitments of the extremists in their midst. In an effort to appease the lunatic furor arising in the Muslim world in response to the publication of the Danish cartoons, many Western leaders have offered apologies for exercising the very freedoms that are constitutive of civil society in the 21st century. The U.S. and British governments have chastised Denmark and the other countries that published the cartoons for privileging freedom of speech over religious sensitivity. It is not often that one sees the most powerful countries on Earth achieve new depths of weakness, moral exhaustion and geopolitical stupidity with a single gesture. This was appeasement at its most abject.

    The idea that Islam is a “peaceful religion hijacked by extremists” is a dangerous fantasy—and it is now a particularly dangerous fantasy for Muslims to indulge. It is not at all clear how we should proceed in our dialogue with the Muslim world, but deluding ourselves with euphemisms is not the answer. It now appears to be a truism in foreign policy circles that real reform in the Muslim world cannot be imposed from the outside. But it is important to recognize why this is so—it is so because the Muslim world is utterly deranged by its religious tribalism. In confronting the religious literalism and ignorance of the Muslim world, we must appreciate how terrifyingly isolated Muslims have become in intellectual terms. The problem is especially acute in the Arab world. Consider: According to the United Nations’ Arab Human Development Reports, less than 2% of Arabs have access to the Internet. Arabs represent 5% of the world’s population and yet produce only 1% of the world’s books, most of them religious. In fact, Spain translates more books into Spanish each year than the entire Arab world has translated into Arabic since the ninth century.

    Our press should report on the terrifying state of discourse in the Arab press, exposing the degree to which it is a tissue of lies, conspiracy theories and exhortations to recapture the glories of the seventh century. All civilized nations must unite in condemnation of a theology that now threatens to destabilize much of the Earth. Muslim moderates, wherever they are, must be given every tool necessary to win a war of ideas with their coreligionists. Otherwise, we will have to win some very terrible wars in the future. It is time we realized that the endgame for civilization is not political correctness. It is not respect for the abject religious certainties of the mob. It is reason.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Man stopped near Paris church. Found to have large blade in his possession.

    Man stopped from boarding train in Lyon and found to be carrying 12 inch blade


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    BloodBath wrote: »
    Do you ever stop posting nonsense?

    So UFC and video games are to blame?

    Like lambs waiting willingly for the slaughter. Lets hope our future generations have a little more resolve and steel than the airy fairy "one world" types we mostly have now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Like lambs waiting willingly for the slaughter. Lets hope our future generations have a little more resolve and steel than the airy fairy "one world" types we mostly have now.
    I don't believe in one world.

    I don't believe muslims and christians will ever understand each other.

    Not truly.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Man stopped near Paris church. Found to have large blade in his possession.

    Man stopped from boarding train in Lyon and found to be carrying 12 inch blade

    Going to a cookery convention I'd imagine


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Justin Credible Darts


    In fairness there aren't really a lot of them. :)

    Also atheism or agnostics are like a movement of meh.

    Its more like a lack of passion for anything.

    Except for dawkins ...who has lost it.

    But true you don't see it with them.

    But i would say they don't face discrimination. And have not been exposed to violence then have to flee from it at a young age.

    And they don't face racist attacks on their community.

    I do think refugees having to face violence and being uprooted early on is going to be very disturbing on the psyche.


    As an atheist, I can assure you I have passion about many things, as many other atheists would have.


    You wont see atheists knocking on your door collecting money or sticking begging envelopes in your door.

    dont remember atheists having holy wars.


    The spanish inquisition, and countless other things done in the name of religion are not something atheists do.


    I had a member of the biggest paedophile ring in the world, the catholic brainwashing society tell me if I wanted to get married I had to do a course.
    Same member of said peado ring wanted paying for marrying my wife and I, which to me was suppose to be his job.


    sent them on...


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    Reported and ad hominem.

    I'm attacking your post, not you. Report away.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Justin Credible Darts


    I don't believe in one world.

    I don't believe muslims and christians will ever understand each other.

    Not truly.




    how can they....you have 2 groups of people who will spend their existence thinking their invisible man in better than the others invisible man.


    mental illness .


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    What drove irish men to do them?

    Why doesn't it happen here?

    What do we do differently?

    France has freedom of expression for some not for others.

    You can't wear headscarfs to school. But you can print racist cartoons.

    Lots of muslims get attacked in racist attacks. They got one of ours so we get one of theirs.

    Also poor guidance ..the dublin iman ..we are very lucky to have him.

    I mean the guy who did the beheading was into ufc ...went to one of those gyms.

    SOciety in general encourages all young men to be violent.

    Video games etc.

    Its all to blame.

    Also ..a lot of refugees are deeply traumatized. And have been exposed to a lot of violence early on.

    Blah blah video games, society etc. The usual excuses trotted out by the bleeding hearts.
    I know plenty of men who played video games, use gyms etc and don't go around beheading women. As for the suggestion that being exposed to violence is an excuse, perhaps you should reflect on how this might hurt and offend survivors of abuse, who manage to conduct themselves in accordance with the law and don't behead other people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    briany wrote: »
    What drives young Muslim men to do these kinds of things?

    Western interference in the Middle East since the times of Mossadeq.

    Decades of estern covert ops in the same region.

    Two gulf wars, that latter one based on absolute lies.

    Continued and pointed propaganda about Middle Eastern countries.

    Add into that mix, constant whisperings into certain young receptive ears, by certain imams, about the great satan and whatnot and how violent reaction and sacrifice is the highest honour and you have a radicalised person willing to travel miles to behead someone in the name of Allah.

    There's no great mystery.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Western interference in the Middle East since the times of Mossadeq.

    Decades of estern covert ops in the same region.

    Two gulf wars, that latter one based on absolute lies.

    Continued and pointed propaganda about Middle Eastern countries.

    Add into that mix, constant whisperings into certain young receptive ears, by certain imams, about the great satan and whatnot and how violent reaction and sacrifice is the highest honour and you have a radicalised person willing to travel miles to behead someone in the name of Allah.

    There's no great mystery.

    Do you self flaggellate daily for being born an evil whitey?


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    It is time we recognized—and obliged the Muslim world to recognize—that “Muslim extremism” is not extreme among Muslims.

    True. Although all would draw the line at murder. The line would still be pushed to extreme a lot of the time for some.

    Arabs represent 5% of the world’s population and yet produce only 1% of the world’s books, most of them religious. In fact, Spain translates more books into Spanish each year than the entire Arab world has translated into Arabic since the ninth century.


    Not true. However spain translates books into spanish for most of latin america too so...the world has more spanish speakers than arabic speakers.

    Also a lot of Arab countries speak french ..and would read french books.

    Throughout the E.U., Muslim immigrants often show little inclination to acquire the secular and civil values of their host countries, and yet exploit these values to the utmost—demanding tolerance for their backwardness, their misogyny, their anti-Semitism, and the genocidal hatred that is regularly preached in their mosques.

    For some this is true. Too many.

    I don't think you could describe Ireland as secular 30 years ago. I mean we just sealed the laundry testimonies.

    The U.S. and British governments have chastised Denmark and the other countries that published the cartoons for privileging freedom of speech over religious sensitivity

    But wait you just gave out about mosques preaching hatred of jews. Is that not them exercising freedom of speech?

    Either everyone has freedom of speech to spout hatred or no one does.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Western interference in the Middle East since the times of Mossadeq.

    Decades of estern covert ops in the same region.

    Two gulf wars, that latter one based on absolute lies.

    Continued and pointed propaganda about Middle Eastern countries.

    Add into that mix, constant whisperings into certain young receptive ears, by certain imams, about the great satan and whatnot and how violent reaction and sacrifice is the highest honour and you have a radicalised person willing to travel miles to behead someone in the name of Allah.

    There's no great mystery.

    I disagree ...the US did the same in Latin America and basically crippled cuba.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Do you self flaggellate daily for being born an evil whitey?

    This is an idiotic response. But judging from the rest of your idiotic content, hardly surprising.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    As an atheist, I can assure you I have passion about many things, as many other atheists would have.


    You wont see atheists knocking on your door collecting money or sticking begging envelopes in your door.

    dont remember atheists having holy wars.


    The spanish inquisition, and countless other things done in the name of religion are not something atheists do.


    I had a member of the biggest paedophile ring in the world, the catholic brainwashing society tell me if I wanted to get married I had to do a course.
    Same member of said peado ring wanted paying for marrying my wife and I, which to me was suppose to be his job.


    sent them on...
    Fair enough.

    I am not sure being an atheist has made you a better person though.

    I mean better than the extremes you have mentioned though that is a low bar.

    I don't think stalin was a christian though. I assure you atheists are quite capable of doing bad things in the name of atheism.

    Because yes suppression of religion in Russia was done in the name of atheism. Communist atheism to be precise but atheism none the less.


    Marxist Lenin or SCIENTIFIC atheism

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_atheism


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I disagree ...the US did the same in Latin America and basically crippled cuba.

    Entirely different region has entirely different reaction.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    You cant. Or we cant. Its inevitable. There is now a global push to boycott French goods in the Muslim world

    Turkish president erdogan is two faced and plays the islam card as it suits him.

    Turkey’s president on Monday called for a sweeping public boycott of French-made goods.

    Yet they import billions from China, who has imprisoned tens of thousands of Uyghur's and forced sterilization on the Uyghur women.

    Erdogan still wants Turkey to have al the shinny shinny shinnies from china.
    Turkey wants cheap and shinny goods from china and never mentions the Uyghur's.

    Two face is how islam works.

    islam, the work of an obese, drunken, illiterate pedo named morehammered.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,904 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I don't believe in one world.

    I don't believe muslims and christians will ever understand each other.

    Not truly.

    You shouldn’t fear or be suspicious of people you don’t understand...So you just live and let live... you don’t hurt people, you don’t stab, cut, shoot, you just hold your hand up and say... “ in a free, intelligent, kind and sensible world, I respect and enable everybody to enjoy their own religious and social beliefs as long as they don’t directly or indirectly harm people or insight people to harm others”.

    I know fûck all about the Muslim Faith. The main reason is I never felt all that intrigued by it. I’m not that compelled to spend time researching religions...I focus on getting on with my life.. I’m happy and pretty expectant that others whichever religion they follow, will afford me the same courtesy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    BloodBath wrote: »
    I'm attacking your post, not you. Report away.
    You didn't even engage with my post.

    You attacked none of its premises. There is little evidence to support your assertion you attacked my post.

    In order to attack something you must engage with it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Justin Credible Darts


    Fair enough.

    I am not sure being an atheist has made you a better person though.


    Why not ?
    You dont need to believe is some invisible man in the sky to have decency, morals, compassion, show kindness to others etc.


    In fact its the people who believe in this factious made up myth of a god that are more likely to be nutters.

    If someone tells me their god is better than someone else's god, I dont get upset at those people. I pity them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    The media with their ‘Islamophobia’, must be a record for them.
    After Terror Attacks, Muslims Wonder About Their Place in France
    French officials’ attack on “Islamic separatism” and the “enemy within” has Muslims questioning whether they will ever fully be accepted.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/29/world/europe/france-terror-attack-muslims.html#click=https://t.co/36b5mRQ74l


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Strumms wrote: »
    You shouldn’t fear or be suspicious of people you don’t understand....


    We shoudn't but we do.

    So you just live and let live... you don’t hurt people, you don’t stab, cut, shoot, you just hold your hand up and say... “ in a free, intelligent, kind and sensible world, I respect and enable everybody to enjoy their own religious and social beliefs as long as they don’t directly or indirectly harm people or insight people to harm others”.

    We do harm others. Our govts harm others. The west has done great damage in the world.

    .
    . I’m happy and pretty expectant that others whichever religion they follow, will afford me the same courtesy

    This is holding them to your standards. Not to their own. Holding someone to their own standards is really all you can expect of people.


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