Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

facehugger99 · 28-10-2020 08:48PM

Cyrus wrote: »

how many teachers have died from covid 19 contracted in a work enviroment?

Judging by the hysteria in the 'schools' thread, I'm presuming it's in the hundreds at this stage.

Lundstram · 28-10-2020 08:52PM

The teachers are hilarious. Got full pay to sit on their arses for 6 months now they reckon they're some sort of heroes putting their lives at risk. Give me a fcuking break. These people wouldn't survive 5 minutes in a private sector job. If they're so scared, why don't they quit?

I hope they're first for an income haircut when the inevitable tightening of the belts budget comes in October, although I think we'll see an emergency budget in early/mid 2021.

RobitTV · 28-10-2020 08:55PM

Screw going back to Level 3. Enough is enough. Rising case numbers are meaningless as 80% (probably over 90%) of people will experience zero symptoms and they will have to be tested to know if they even have contracted the virus.

Let people make their own personal judgment, if people want a lockdown then they can have one at home and they can shield themselves away from the rest of society.

If people are healthy and have no other serious conditions, then why can't they continue moving forward with their lives?

- Protect care homes (There should be rapid antigen testing daily in care homes)
- Shield the elderly and vulnerable and they should be given access to testing at home which they can carry out often
- Invest heavily in ICU equipment, instead they have done nothing since March to sort that out
- If the vaccine is effective and safe then the most vulnerable groups in society should be given early access to it
- Introduce testing at all airports so people can travel safely

retro:electro · 28-10-2020 09:02PM

Sawduck wrote: »

Has anyone received a fine for travelling beyond 5km yet, I need to travel 20km later to pick something up at my parents house

Ive gone outside of 5k for various reasons in the last week and have passed a good few checkpoints at this rate. Every single one of them have just waved me on. One stopped me and as soon as I had the window rolled down he just said “to work is it?”.. I was like yeah.. but Jesus to literally be giving people their answers takes the biscuit. You can tell they have zero interest in what they’re doing and I don’t blame them because its the biggest joke ever. Standing out in the freezing cold being lied to all day by people who know how to get around it. The definition of pointless.

uli84 · 28-10-2020 09:03PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Screw going back to Level 3. Enough is enough. Rising case numbers are meaningless as 80% (probably over 90%) of people will experience zero symptoms and they will have to be tested to know if they even have contracted the virus.

Let people make their own personal judgment, if people want a lockdown then they can have one at home and they can shield themselves away from the rest of society.

If people are healthy and have no other serious conditions, then why can't they continue moving forward with their lives?

- Protect care homes (There should be rapid antigen testing daily in care homes)
- Shield the elderly and vulnerable and they should be given access to testing at home which they can carry out often
- Invest heavily in ICU equipment, instead they have done nothing since March to sort that out
- If the vaccine is effective and safe then the most vulnerable groups in society should be given early access to it
- Introduce testing at all airports so people can travel safely

I’m far from believing conspiracy theories and all that but because all this is relatively so simple and costs way less money than is lost because of lockdowns, it makes me think that there really is some hidden agenda..Like they can’t be that stupid, can they?

WhiteMemento9 · 28-10-2020 09:31PM

All the experts in the thread tonight. It is such a treat to read such a meeting of the minds :pac:

Penfailed · 28-10-2020 09:31PM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

I’m an essential worker and have been working through this whole thing in an industry where my life can ACTUALLY be at risk at times.

How?

Mr. Karate · 28-10-2020 09:40PM

Cyrus wrote: »

before they finish next year, or before they finish a 3 year degree :pac:

They claimed that we can be have lockdowns and restrictions for 5 years. I think the Irish Govt is the only ones to have made a claim of things lasting that long.

JRant · 28-10-2020 09:41PM

So Cervical Tony is "concerned" about people returning home for Christmas and is going to look into it. Wouldn't it be hilarious if they try pass legislation to stop Irish citizens returning home for Christmas after they let that tramp jihadi Jane back into Louth from her little jolly over to Syria.

JRant · 28-10-2020 09:50PM

RoryMac wrote: »

Yes the failure by the Gov to prepare for remote/blended schooling is a disgrace and along with the H&S aspects of the ballot I have no real issue with this. The 2 day deadline is a joke though.

On the part in bold again there should be more teachers to bring down class sizes but there are plenty of workers that have to do small bits of work here and there to try and find something more permanent. I'm not sure why teachers should be any different as a rule. Maybe I'm missing something and open to correction.

Tacking on the age old pay dispute is a mistake though

The health concerns are admirable if not a little bit misplaced.

Do they want serial testing for all in schools or just teachers?
If they get it then other areas will have to suffer. We have a finite amount of resources and these should be fully focused on groups that are actually vulnerable, like nursing and care homes.

24 hour testing and tracing is a pipe dream. They've had 8 months now and still can't get anywhere near a functioning system.

Pay restoration/parity for those who started after 2010?

These are the very clowns who threw those members under the bus back then and are now blaming the government. Anyway, the only parity that should be coming down the line will be bringing the pre2010 staff down the newer members levels.

Mr. Karate · 28-10-2020 09:56PM

JRant wrote: »

So Cervical Tony is "concerned" about people returning home for Christmas and is going to look into it. Wouldn't it be hilarious if they try pass legislation to stop Irish citizens returning home for Christmas after they let that tramp jihadi Jane back into Louth from her little jolly over to Syria.

I wouldn't put it past them to try at this stage.

walus · 28-10-2020 09:56PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Mícheal Martin needs to take some testosterone supplements, lift some weights, man up and tell NPHET to go suck a lemon, we're going back to Level 3

It looks like level 3 is making an impact with the cases down substantially. Yet Tony could not wait patiently enough and recommended level 5 at which point the government just nodded. It was only an additional 2 bn of the future tax payers money after all. No bother, we are all in this together.

I have been saying that nphet are dysfunctional for months now and Tony is a trigger happy fella. The circus continues...

I only hope that the lads at nphet recalibrate their models. After all we are paying 2 bn for this part of the experiment.

retro:electro · 28-10-2020 10:01PM

Any chance of this farce ending at the four week review? It would do a great service to struggling businesses to have an extra two weeks of the Christmas rush

Don't Chute! · 28-10-2020 10:01PM

Penfailed wrote: »

How?

Confined spaces.

Penfailed · 28-10-2020 10:06PM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Confined spaces.

So under health and safety legislation, you've got mitigation measures in place to minimise the risk. That's what teachers want too.

Don't Chute! · 28-10-2020 10:09PM

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

All the experts in the thread tonight. It is such a treat to read such a meeting of the minds :pac:

Love posts like this. We are all holding our breath waiting for the definitive take on all this. Annnnnnnd GO...........

Don't Chute! · 28-10-2020 10:10PM

Penfailed wrote: »

So under health and safety legislation, you've got mitigation measures in place to minimise the risk. That's what teachers want too.

The “risk” being a mild flu.

darconio · 28-10-2020 10:34PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Any chance of this farce ending at the four week review? It would do a great service to struggling businesses to have an extra two weeks of the Christmas rush

Didn't you hear? we did it to save xmas... in 4/6 weeks there won't be any positive, everything will be beautiful, we will be free to do our xmas shopping and enjoy a bit of normality, because remember, the virus needs a break as well and I heard it will take its annual leave exactly in December.
Don't worry, comes january and the deadly disease will be back to force our poor politicians into another lockdown.

RobitTV · 28-10-2020 10:44PM

Breaking from RTE on the 1st of December: 'Ireland saves Christmas thanks to the guidance and wisdom of our beloved national hero Sir Tony Holohan' - The KING is back!

Breaking from RTE in January: 'Ireland is headed for a national lockdown as the public ignored Saint William Gerard Anthony Holohan's advice to the nation. People enjoyed themselves too much over the Christmas period and now they must face tough measures for being so greedy and ignorant'

JRant · 28-10-2020 10:51PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Any chance of this farce ending at the four week review? It would do a great service to struggling businesses to have an extra two weeks of the Christmas rush

Not a hope they'll lift it after 4 weeks, I have my doubts about the 6 week mark as well. Anyway we don't know what the trigger is to go to level 3.14159265359 and there's not a snowballs chance in hell will pubs or restaurants allowed open

retro:electro · 28-10-2020 10:53PM

Oh there will definitely be the finger wagging in January. We’ll all be in the bold corner for having a bit too much fun over Christmas.

Cluedo Monopoly · 28-10-2020 10:53PM

walus wrote: »

It looks like level 3 is making an impact with the cases down substantially. Yet Tony could not wait patiently enough and recommended level 5 at which point the government just nodded. It was only an additional 2 bn of the future tax payers money after all. No bother, we are all in this together.

I have been saying that nphet are dysfunctional for months now and Tony is a trigger happy fella. The circus continues...

I only hope that the lads at nphet recalibrate their models. After all we are paying 2 bn for this part of the experiment.

It's not just 2bn. The longer businesses stay shut the higher the chance of bankruptcy. The PUP payments are simply keeping some businesses on life support. Many businesses will go to the wall next year. 2021 will reveal the real impacts.

patnor1011 · 28-10-2020 11:00PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

The attitude of some people in this country to teachers is pathetic. Put your money where your mouth is, volunteer to sub in a school & let’s see would you be calling for a quicker test & trace system. Oh and work your ass off for the children who so badly need to be in school & then read nasty posts like the above on boards from individuals who most likely wouldn’t set foot inside a school if you paid them.

I agree that it is not good to generalize and say all of them are bad or scared or something. In the same spirit, not all of them are good and working their ass off.

Of course, they want schools closed. It saves them money on heating and extra costs to run in the current time. They all will be on full pay and only a few of them will be really working.

How do I know this? I have 2 kids and I have seen what happened during the first lockdown. It was a total disgrace. Some teachers literally disappeared and the only job they did was to fire off email twice a week "study chapter this and that". Some others who managed to run zoom classes spent most of the time chatting about covid.
It seems that teachers do not realize that when teaching moves online they will be under bigger scrutiny as parents would see how often and what is being done and so far it was nothing to be excited about.

Schools should remain open and if teachers think their life is in danger they can think about changing careers. There are plenty of new teachers graduating every year and they can fill in with ease.

bucketybuck · 28-10-2020 11:02PM

Noticed in a few threads recently that it is completely verboten to suggest in any way that lockdown and its related measures may be causing a degradation in peoples mental states.

It seems to be one of those "don't mention the war" things, but whether Tony Holohan likes it or not, sooner or later we will all have to face up to the fact that there are insidious, indirect consequences to these measures that quite possibly could kill more people in the long run than covid will.

JeffKenna · 28-10-2020 11:06PM

Lundstram wrote: »

The teachers are hilarious. Got full pay to sit on their arses for 6 months now they reckon they're some sort of heroes putting their lives at risk. Give me a fcuking break. These people wouldn't survive 5 minutes in a private sector job. If they're so scared, why don't they quit?

I hope they're first for an income haircut when the inevitable tightening of the belts budget comes in October, although I think we'll see an emergency budget in early/mid 2021.

There's a real jealously in this country against teachers with people lining up to take a swipe at them regardless of the facts. Teachers weren't sitting on their arses for 6 months, most of them were actually working harder having to put all their classes online. I personally wouldn't like to be working in a school at the moment the way the HSE are making ****e up about close contacts.

patnor1011 · 28-10-2020 11:17PM

I had a discussion with my friend who btw is a doctor. We talked about this "this is not a flu" argument. He wholeheartedly agrees. According to him, flu is worse.
Let me expand.
If you get a flu - there are not nonsymptomatic carriers. You get it all - runny nose, sneezing, coughing, temperature, headache, muscle and joint pain. Some people can work or function through it when symptoms are not that bad or when they man up and suffer. Some people are over most of the bad symptoms in a few days. Other less fortunate suffer for weeks and some people end up in ICU and die. Some people can get it a few times a year. Very few don't get it.
We all had it and will keep getting it. I have yet to meet anyone who can say they never got it.

Compare this to covid where the majority of people diagnosed with it do not have ANY symptoms at all and will not experience ANY discomfort. Some of the rest will have something which was described as mild flu symptoms and very few will end up in hospital. And yes, the same as with flu - some people will die.

Why on earth we do this lockdown and restrictions insanity and outright craziness about something which is in no way worse than many other diseases we get pretty regularly?

hamburgham · 28-10-2020 11:23PM

JeffKenna wrote: »

There's a real jealously in this country against teachers with people lining up to take a swipe at them regardless of the facts. Teachers weren't sitting on their arses for 6 months, most of them were actually working harder having to put all their classes online. I personally wouldn't like to be working in a school at the moment the way the HSE are making ****e up about close contacts.

You are joking? One told me with pride that she sent an email to her pupils every Sunday night.

Kermit.de.frog · 28-10-2020 11:23PM

The situation developing in Europe proves without a shadow of a doubt this country was and is absolutely correct to be proactive.

We have the situation restrained. This is not the case on the continent which now faces drastic action to try bring the situation under control. And it's everywhere you look.

This country is actually an outlier with the pace of growth being restricted.

That is due to the correct and proportionate measures being in place that are evidently having an effect.

hamburgham · 28-10-2020 11:28PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Ireland West Airport said today it will close for four weeks - from November 14 to December 13 - as a result of the Ryanair suspension of flights from airport.

This government is destroying the travel industry because they aren't willing to begin testing at the airports, Holohan is the one behind the whole fiasco and pulling the strings once again.

And one of the reasons why testing hasn’t started is union resistance and demarcation rows. Apparently Depts Of Health and Justice were even fighting over who should do the stupid tracing calls.

statesaver · 28-10-2020 11:34PM

Numbers coming down.

Hopefully down to Level 3 from next Sunday.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings