Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Chalk McHugh

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Really? Was reading McWilliams yesterday and he said something like 70% of people are better off financially since Covid. The whole public sector haven't lost any money and savings are up due to less expences like travel etc. Some sectors are feeling the full brunt while others are doing as well or even betrer than before. We are not 'all in this together'.

Ultimately the economy is based on confidence.

I was one of those people that was better off during Covid. But I knew a huge recession was on the way so I was filling up my savings account.

Now that I am getting made redundant it is clear that saving while I could was the right choice.

I imagine a lot of those better off right now will eventually feel the pinch whether it is through unemployment, pay cuts, or tax hikes.

We are all been propped up by borrowed billions right now.

Chalk McHugh

walus wrote: »

Can you share a link? Thanks.

I struggle to understand to see how that holds true. Unless we really consider just the present moment and ignore the fact that although some of them are indeed better off, that it at the expense of their future financial well being. Overall i cannot see this 70% (70% - really?) cohort to be any better long term.

I can't send links as i dont know how. But i read it on here yesterday. I could be confusing the 70% with something else i cant remember exactly. I'm reading so much stuff on this covid a lot of it gets mixed up. But it was a good piece all the same.

polesheep

Cyrus wrote: »

yet google, facebook, linkedin et al make a fortune selling targetted online advertising.

It's more like marketing. Very little, if any creative input. Very low cost and very difficult to gauge success. It's really not the same thing. Plus, I'm not too sure about that 'fortune'. Also, it doesn't employ anything like the numbers that traditional advertising did. It's almost like a different industry. Anyway, we're well off topic.

walus

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

I can't send links as i dont know how. But i read it on here yesterday. I could be confusing the 70% with something else i cant remember exactly. I'm reading so much stuff on this covid a lot of it gets mixed up. But it was a good piece all the same.

At least we established that what you said is not a reliable information.

woodchuck

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1028/1174425-michael-mcgrath-interview/

The Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform said one of the reasons why we are at Level 5 restrictions is to give us the "best possible chance of having a decent December and a decent Christmas".

Yeah, it'll be a lovely Christmas for those who are losing their livelihoods due to level 5 restrictions atm :rolleyes:

the kelt

walus wrote: »

Can you share a link? Thanks.

I struggle to see how that holds true. Unless we really consider just the present moment and ignore the fact that although some of them are indeed better off, that it at the expense of their future financial well being. Overall i cannot see this 70% (70% - really?) cohort to be any better long term.

You would be surprised.

I’m personally better off, no travel expenses to go to the office, no heading out for lunch during the day etc.

No activities for the kids to pay for, no tae Kwon do, no Irish dancing lessons, no ballet, no swimming lessons, no athletics. No days out to pay for, no cinema etc.

Can’t go for a few pints, can’t go for a meal, no trips to croke park, ditto the aviva. No hotel breaks, no trips away etc.

I’m better off financially, a lot better off.

Taking all that into consideration do I think the whole things is a complete joke with our hospitals quieter than ever, records being broken according to Leo and deaths relatively low whilst others in this country are struggling and risk being put out of business.

Absolutely even though I’m sure there are a few who couldn’t care less about anyone else once they have a few more quid in their pockets.

Gael23

The reality of what NPHET have inflicted on us
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/city-businesses-can-t-afford-to-wait-for-a-covid-19-vaccine-1.4389428%3fmode=amp

FintanMcluskey

the kelt wrote: »

You would be surprised.

I’m personally better off, no travel expenses to go to the office, no heading out for lunch during the day etc.

No activities for the kids to pay for, no tae Kwon do, no Irish dancing lessons, no ballet, no swimming lessons, no athletics. No days out to pay for, no cinema etc.

Can’t go for a few pints, can’t go for a meal, no trips to croke park, ditto the aviva. No hotel breaks, no trips away etc.

I’m better off financially, a lot better off.

Taking all that into consideration do I think the whole things is a complete joke with our hospitals quieter than ever, records being broken according to Leo and deaths relatively low whilst others in this country are struggling and risk being put out of business.

Absolutely even though I’m sure there are a few who couldn’t care less about anyone else once they have a few more quid in their pockets.

A few weeks ago some lad on news talk said there is more saving deposits in Irish banks than ever before.

But, that’s just as bad as having little money in savings.

The velocity of money is critical for the economy, and when that stops a paradox of thrift occurs where business fail, jobs are lost etc.

RobitTV

It's so ridiculous that the rapid antigen tests aren't widespread after all these months. They should be carrying them out in all Irish airports right now to ensure safe travel and peace of mind.

And Ireland will be the last as usual to bring in the antigen tests. Maybe in 2030 Chairman Holohan will let the elected government have a say on this issue, instead of the dictatorial NPHET fools.

funnydoggy

RobitTV wrote: »

It's so ridiculous that the rapid antigen tests aren't widespread after all these months. They should be carrying them out in all Irish airports right now to ensure safe travel and peace of mind.

And Ireland will be the last as usual to bring in the antigen tests. Maybe in 2030 Chairman Holohan will let the elected government have a say on this issue, instead of the dictatorial NPHET fools.

Dr. Hulahoop and NPHET have a problem with them I'd say. Like they do with literally every other tool that could help us.

FintanMcluskey

Gael23 wrote: »

The reality of what NPHET have inflicted on us
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/city-businesses-can-t-afford-to-wait-for-a-covid-19-vaccine-1.4389428%3fmode=amp

“Even under Level 2 and 3 restrictions, Dublin’s offices experienced a capacity of only about 15 per cent compared to more than 60 per cent in European peer cities“.

Europe’s youngest nation decided to obliterate itself in the face of a disease that primarily effects the elderly

walus

the kelt wrote: »

You would be surprised.

I’m personally better off, no travel expenses to go to the office, no heading out for lunch during the day etc.

No activities for the kids to pay for, no tae Kwon do, no Irish dancing lessons, no ballet, no swimming lessons, no athletics. No days out to pay for, no cinema etc.

Can’t go for a few pints, can’t go for a meal, no trips to croke park, ditto the aviva. No hotel breaks, no trips away etc.

I’m better off financially, a lot better off.

Taking all that into consideration do I think the whole things is a complete joke with our hospitals quieter than ever, records being broken according to Leo and deaths relatively low whilst others in this country are struggling and risk being put out of business.

Absolutely even though I’m sure there are a few who couldn’t care less about anyone else once they have a few more quid in their pockets.

I'm actually not. While many might be better off financially at this very moment, there is a price to be paid for shutting down the economy and then spending borrowed money in a hope it re bounces. These sort of programs proved to be unsuccessful in the past and I very much they will work now. We can only pay for all this by working and generating wealth, and that can only happen through productivity, which has been slacking for a decade or so anyway. So overall no, most of us will not be better off.

walus

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

A few weeks ago some lad on news talk said there is more saving deposits in Irish banks than ever before.

But, that’s just as bad as having little money in savings.

The velocity of money is critical for the economy, and when that stops a paradox of thrift occurs where business fail, jobs are lost etc.

That is exactly what the economy needs - money re-cycling. People get it always wrong and spend when they should be saving (good times) and saving when they should be spending (bad times). If we all did that recessions would not be as deep and last as long as they do.

walus

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

“Even under Level 2 and 3 restrictions, Dublin’s offices experienced a capacity of only about 15 per cent compared to more than 60 per cent in European peer cities“.

Europe’s youngest nation decided to obliterate itself in the face of a disease that primarily effects the elderly

That was widely encouraged by the government, it needs to be said.

KennisWhale

Gael23 wrote: »

The reality of what NPHET have inflicted on us
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/city-businesses-can-t-afford-to-wait-for-a-covid-19-vaccine-1.4389428%3fmode=amp

While I am not a Doomer that article has to be taken with a pinch of salt as it is written by the MD of CBRE Ireland who have a vested interest in the commercial property sector.

kittensmittens

kittensmittens wrote: »

I've posted this in the other covid thread but will post it here as well.

There is now a 3 YEAR BACKLOG in breast cancer screening. It only reopened yesterday.

There are 153 THOUSAND women affected by this. Have a wee read of that number again. 153 THOUSAND. And you can bet your bottom dollar, within that figure there will be deaths due to late detection and treatment due to covid taking precedent.

But hey, I'm sure that when those women are dying and leaving husbands, children and families behind for what may have been avoidable if they had of been treated, that they will die knowing they "held firm".

On newstalk earlier, they said that about 7 in 1000 women who are asymptomatic are diagnosed through routine Breastcheck appointments so this means a delay in diagnosis for 1071 women which will unfortunately have terrible consequences for some.

This was repeated across every area of the health sector which effectively shut down for anything considered non urgent for a few months, and even treatment of some urgent conditions was abandoned as patients were considered too vulnerable. The knock on affects of this on backlogs ane on peoples health who have non-covid related conditions will be huge. Will they be counted in any statistics?

To echo what another poster has said about, I know someone who works in an ICU in a major Dublin hospital and said the same thing, at no point were they streched and actually it has been much quieter than usual.

I hope the curtailment/cutback of services is not happening anymore and we can start to deal with the backlog. I can't understand the logic of treating other illnesses as not as important.

Cyrus

Miharo wrote: »

I hope the curtailment/cutback of services is not happening anymore and we can start to deal with the backlog. I can't understand the logic of treating other illnesses as not as important.

especially illnesses like cancer with much much higher mortality rates

funnydoggy

Miharo wrote: »

I hope the curtailment/cutback of services is not happening anymore and we can start to deal with the backlog. I can't understand the logic of treating other illnesses as not as important.

If asked, Tony will probably express his dismay at what's happening, and then quickly move on to another statistic showing how we aren't doing enough to curtail the spread of a virus... that won't matter to some of these people who now have terminal illness.

I see the bodies of a woman and two kids found today in a house in Dublin. Didn't some woman also kill herself and her child a week ago, now we have the kanturk tragedy too..Not blaming it but surely anyone who's on the brink or mentally struggling, will be brought to the edge with all this media led hysteria..

There's a horrible string of deaths and suicides this last few weeks.

CruelSummer

rusty cole wrote: »

I see the bodies of a woman and two kids found today in a house in Dublin. Didn't some woman also kill herself and her child a week ago, now we have the kanturk tragedy too..Not blaming it but surely anyone who's on the brink or mentally struggling, will be brought to the edge with all this media led hysteria..

There's a horrible string of deaths and suicides this last few weeks.

They’re going to have to do more for victims of domestic violence. Offer socially distanced calls/meet ups, something. Their support networks have collapsed thanks to our ‘pre-emptive’ lockdown. Once again preventing a Covid death is given priority over all other deaths / damage to society, no matter what the cost.

funnydoggy

CruelSummer wrote: »

They’re going to have to do more for victims of domestic violence. Offer socially distanced calls/meet ups, something. Their support networks have collapsed thanks to our ‘pre-emptive’ lockdown. Once again preventing a Covid death is given priority over all other deaths / damage to society, no matter what the cost.

Got downvoted to oblivion on reddit for saying that a death is tragic, covid or not. Some people can't see past this virus. I admittedly was like that but I looked around and saw how sh*t everything was becoming.

Whatsisname

funnydoggy wrote: »

Got downvoted to oblivion on reddit for saying that a death is tragic, covid or not. Some people can't see past this virus. I admittedly was like that but I looked around and saw how sh*t everything was becoming.

I saw someone say they'd rather take their chances surviving a plane crash than covid over there. They've lost it altogether.

CalamariFritti

funnydoggy wrote: »

Got downvoted to oblivion on reddit for saying that a death is tragic, covid or not.

Reddit is good for some stuff but their upvote/downvote thing is literally the technical manifestation of herd mentality.

r/Ireland is brutal. I naturally joined when I joined reddit but its facebook mentality gone early mid twenties and sure dont they have a strong opinion on everything...

Basically anything worth debating needs to be kept out of reddit. You might as well step in front of an onrushing mob.

funnydoggy

Whatsisname wrote: »

I saw someone say they'd rather take their chances surviving a plane crash than covid over there. They've lost it altogether.

That's absolutely hilarious!


Their voting system ensures that only the popular opinion is shown. Anything that goes against the 'hivemind' gets more or less disappeared. No chance of a fair discussion.

rob316

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Really? Was reading McWilliams yesterday and he said something like 70% of people are better off financially since Covid. The whole public sector haven't lost any money and savings are up due to less expences like travel etc. Some sectors are feeling the full brunt while others are doing as well or even betrer than before. We are not 'all in this together'.

People hoarding cash does nothing for the economy. If 70% of people are better off that means 70% of people have spent less than usual which is not good obviously.

Sawduck

Has anyone received a fine for travelling beyond 5km yet, I need to travel 20km later to pick something up at my parents house

bush

Sawduck wrote: »

Has anyone received a fine for travelling beyond 5km yet, I need to travel 20km later to pick something up at my parents house

Na work away and just tell them what you are doing. They dont care.

RobitTV

Ireland West Airport said today it will close for four weeks - from November 14 to December 13 - as a result of the Ryanair suspension of flights from airport.

This government is destroying the travel industry because they aren't willing to begin testing at the airports, Holohan is the one behind the whole fiasco and pulling the strings once again.

funnydoggy

RobitTV wrote: »

Ireland West Airport said today it will close for four weeks - from November 14 to December 13 - as a result of the Ryanair suspension of flights from airport.

This government is destroying the travel industry because they aren't willing to begin testing at the airports, Holohan is the one behind the whole fiasco and pulling the strings once again.

Oh ****. You know it's bad when airports are closing

Clonmel1000

funnydoggy wrote: »

Oh ****. You know it's bad when airports are closing

Still. stay safe, stay local, we’re all in this together eh.......