Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

wellwhynot · 28-10-2020 10:53AM

kittensmittens wrote: »

There was someone posted in response to my post a couple of pages back that anyone with lumps or family history as still being seen. I thought "What shillery"!
They are in their backside seeing women. I know of one woman with a lump waiting 12 weeks and has family history and another friend has had her treatment for removing cells cancelled 3 times since march.
But again, what do we know? I'm sure someone will be along very shortly to correct me and let us know that we are cancer moaners and covid is the thread topic here and what ever we do......dont have the audacity to question the powers that be

I couldn’t agree more. It seems a few posters seem to think they are the opinion police of the board and immediate rush attack others views or experiences.

Stheno · 28-10-2020 10:57AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Decent enough dip as expected after Bank Holiday, 40 discharges, albeit with 19 admissions. ICU remains stable at 38.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing

So down to 327 in hospital

kittensmittens · 28-10-2020 11:04AM

wellwhynot wrote: »

I couldn’t agree more. It seems a few posters seem to think they are the opinion police of the board and immediate rush attack others views or experiences.

It's not even that. Its the mockery in some of the posts (by people involved with the HSE). The usual, lets belittle the bemoaners.
Its the unblinkered and unfettered "COVID COVID COVID" chanting that's unsettling from these corners. But as I'm sure, most people are now wide to the smoke and mirrors deflection tactics.

On a slightly side note, personally I dont see the buy in this time around. Between no mortgage support, job losses, medical appointments cancelled, mental health a huge issue and so on. Vaccine not avail till 2022 at best.
We are a nation of sheep unfortunately.

TonyMaloney · 28-10-2020 11:06AM

COVID, COVID, COVID!

is_that_so · 28-10-2020 11:09AM

Stheno wrote: »

So down to 327 in hospital

Always very good to see people leaving hospital and we're not at 400, nor 100 in ICU nor 2500 cases a day!

wellwhynot · 28-10-2020 11:11AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What about the young men who committed suicide in in ICU? Could you actually explain what your point is here?

If you don’t think suicide and self harm has greatly increased since the restrictions, well I am not sure what to tell you.

My point is that while Covid is serious to the elderly and frail. Multiples of that will be affected by suicides, domestic violence, missed cancer screenings, heart disease, stroke, sepsis, loneliness, poverty etc.

CalamariFritti · 28-10-2020 11:13AM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

I know mate. They do the same with HIV. It's ridiculous!!!

If we didn't test for asymptomatic HIV cases there would basically be nobody with HIV/AIDS and the virus would surely just disapear.

You're trying to be flippant and smart but its not actually all that smart.

A case is someone who is sick or at least someone who is showing symptoms. Asymptomatic infections may be useful information - granted - but they're not a friggin' case. Any doctor will tell you that - well only they won't because nobody wants to jeopardise their career over some fighting windmills exercise. Some tried but they were 'left go'.

odyssey06 · 28-10-2020 11:14AM

snowcat wrote: »

I see a few studies that report that a mouthwash significantly reduces the transmission of Covid from an infected person. Should this be used in conjunction with sanitising hands as it seems to be obvious that surfaces are not a huge factor in transmission and that aerosols are the main culprit. Should we have gargling points outside supermarkets etc?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/wellness/mouthwash-inactivate-covid-study/2020/10/22/1735cdd4-13c5-11eb-bc10-40b25382f1be_story.html

Encouraging for dental work etc or if you have an infected person in the house.
Or maybe for people hooking up. *ahem*

Not sure about supermarkets though... logistics of keeping it sterile, then putting on masks... can't see it working.

Boggles · 28-10-2020 11:16AM

wellwhynot wrote: »

If you don’t think suicide and self harm has greatly increased since the restrictions, well I am not sure what to tell you.
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wellwhynot wrote: »

A nurse said most of the Covid positive patients in her ICU were young men who attempted suicide.

That wasn't your claim though.

Your claim was the majority of people in ICU with covid are young men who tried to commit suicide.

So if you could address that in your good time please.

28-10-2020 11:16AM

wellwhynot wrote: »

If you don’t think suicide and self harm has greatly increased since the restrictions, well I am not sure what to tell you.

My point is that while Covid is serious to the elderly and frail. Multiples of that will be affected by suicides, domestic violence, missed cancer screenings, heart disease, stroke, sepsis, loneliness, poverty etc.

Why did you make up that the majority of people in ICU with COVID were young male suicide attempts? Have you any evidence of increased rates of suicide by the way since COVID struck?

is_that_so · 28-10-2020 11:19AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Encouraging for dental work etc or if you have an infected person in the house.
Or maybe for people hooking up. *ahem*

Not sure about supermarkets though... logistics of keeping it sterile, then putting on masks... can't see it working.

Are dentists fans of mouthwash? Mine shakes his head and proposes warm water with salt.

odyssey06 · 28-10-2020 11:19AM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

You're trying to be flippant and smart but its not actually all that smart.
A case is someone who is sick or at least someone who is showing symptoms. Asymptomatic infections may be useful information - granted - but they're not a friggin' case. Any doctor will tell you that - well only they won't because nobody wants to jeopardise their career over some fighting windmills exercise. Some tried but they were 'left go'.

When you test them, you don't know if they are pre-symptomatic or will stay asymptomatic. They have to be treated as a case.
How much experience does your "any doctor" have of a pandemic?

They also are a case if you concerned about how widespread the virus is in the community.
Unless you want to bet the entire house on zero asymptomatic transmission.

wellwhynot · 28-10-2020 11:21AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why did you make up that the majority of people in ICU with COVID were young male suicide attempts?

I didn’t but you and your cohort seem obsessed with that point. I cannot produce ICU data/death certs so why don’t you answer my question:

Do you think there has been a significant rise in suicide/self-harm since Level 5 restrictions?

If yes, it is reasonable to assume that what I heard is true.

odyssey06 · 28-10-2020 11:22AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Are dentists fans of mouthwash? Mine shakes his head and proposes warm water with salt.

Mine has some pink stuff, I assume it is mouthwash.
Not sure if asked to rinse though before the procedure starts.
That study suggests benefit if patients do so at start.

ACitizenErased · 28-10-2020 11:22AM

https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1321395811285192706?s=21

Goldrickssan · 28-10-2020 11:23AM

If the vaccine doesn't come as a massive suppository that tickles my balls I won't be taking it.

28-10-2020 11:23AM

wellwhynot wrote: »

I didn’t but you and your cohort seem obsessed with that point. I cannot produce ICU data/death certs so why don’t you answer my question:

Do you think there has been a significant rise in suicide/self-harm since Level 5 restrictions?

If yes, it is reasonable to assume that what I heard is true.

I think it's highly unlikely that what you said is true.

is_that_so · 28-10-2020 11:23AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Mine has some pink stuff, I assume it is mouthwash.
Not sure if asked to rinse though before the procedure starts.
That study suggests benefit if patients do so at start.

No, I mean at home. Think that pink stuff is universal.

Doctors room ghost · 28-10-2020 11:23AM

No travelling home for Christmas will be encouraged according to the wireless.

Polar101 · 28-10-2020 11:23AM

Feels like this thread should have a curfew from midnight to noon, where's NPHET when they are needed the most?

What Username Guidelines · 28-10-2020 11:25AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1321395811285192706?s=21

You'd wonder if a 5% increase would also get "slight" prepended to it? Why not just "reduction"?

mandrake04 · 28-10-2020 11:25AM

snowcat wrote: »

I see a few studies that report that a mouthwash significantly reduces the transmission of Covid from an infected person. Should this be used in conjunction with sanitising hands as it seems to be obvious that surfaces are not a huge factor in transmission and that aerosols are the main culprit. Should we have gargling points outside supermarkets etc?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/wellness/mouthwash-inactivate-covid-study/2020/10/22/1735cdd4-13c5-11eb-bc10-40b25382f1be_story.html

Betadine gargle is the business, mouthwash is just rubbish.

OwenM · 28-10-2020 11:28AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1321395811285192706?s=21

"Largest number of covid patients discharged in a single day since early May"

---- Isn't the headline, would be far too positive, not on message, and would displease the Technocrats

OscarMIlde · 28-10-2020 11:28AM

kittensmittens wrote: »

There is now a 3 YEAR BACKLOG in breast cancer screening. It only reopened yesterday.

There are 153 THOUSAND women affected by this. Have a wee read of that number again. 153 THOUSAND. And you can bet your bottom dollar, within that figure there will be deaths due to late detection and treatment due to covid taking precedent.

But hey, I'm sure that when those women are dying and leaving husbands, children and families behind for what may have been avoidable if they had of been treated, that they will die knowing they "held firm".

There's a difference between screening the population at large which picks up a small amount of cases and targeted testing of people with signs and symptoms of cases. Targeted testing is still going ahead. Unfortunately mass screening will contribute to interactions and has been limited due to the pandemic, the risk of mass screening at this time is less than the reward. What should be occurring to compensate are mass campaigns to educate on home breast examinations, which can pick up some signs of breast cancer. Women with any of the signs/symptoms could then contact their GPs for referral. One thing I would also advocate is ask your GP to refer you to all the primary care hospitals as waiting lists can differ substantially between hospitals. You can write to the other hospitals to cancel appointments once you receive one.

odyssey06 · 28-10-2020 11:30AM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

No travelling home for Christmas will be encouraged according to the wireless.

I predict we'll have a reverse Operation Freeflow for the days before Christmas.
You can still travel, but bring a podcast.

Sconsey · 28-10-2020 11:30AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

You'd wonder if a 5% increase would also get "slight" prepended to it? Why not just "reduction"?

https://www.rte.ie/news/player/2020/0602/21779627-covid-19-figures-stable-slight-increase-in-recent-days/

https://www.rte.ie/news/player/2020/0505/21762159-slight-increase-in-hospital-admittance-due-to-covid-19/

wellwhynot · 28-10-2020 11:34AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think it's highly unlikely that what you said is true.

March and April. I don’t imagine it is any better now.

In March and April of this year, 17 per cent of patients admitted to the National Spinal Injuries Unit in the Mater Hospital had sustained injuries in a suicide attempt compared to 1 per cent in the same period last year.

The numbers involved are small but they reflect a trend which is being seen elsewhere. According to a recent US study, 45 per cent of people with suicidal thoughts explicitly linked them to Covid-19, the disease caused by coronavirus.

On Monday, the College of Psychiatrists of Ireland (CPI) concluded a survey of 615 consultants. The data is still being analysed but there are early indications of a worrying trend, the college said.

“A large proportion of consultants are reporting that they are now seeing an increase in people experiencing both new-onset and relapse of mental illness compared to the early stages of the lockdown but also to before the lockdown came into place,” said Andrea Ryder of the CPI.

PmMeUrDogs · 28-10-2020 11:34AM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

After discovering a lump I’m now waiting 8 weeks and have not had a screening I’m sure they’re are others waiting longer

After having all of my necessary treatments cancelled for the guts of a year, I'm now awaiting biopsy results on what formed in my body in the waiting time - wouldn't have happened if I'd had the scans, consultations and operation I needed. And now I need more major surgery (had my cancelled one last week).

And I actually feel LUCKY because I've heard of many far worse off than me. I just feel lucky that because I'm young and otherwise healthy, my biopsies should hopefully come back clear.

If I was offered covid in return for having my next operation today, I'd take it in a heartbeat even though I fall into the risk category.

Best of luck, I hope it's just a cyst

28-10-2020 11:36AM

PmMeUrDogs wrote: »

Best of luck, I hope it's just a cyst

I hope so too. Best of luck with it, dude.

28-10-2020 11:39AM

wellwhynot wrote: »

March and April. I don’t imagine it is any better now.

In March and April of this year, 17 per cent of patients admitted to the National Spinal Injuries Unit in the Mater Hospital had sustained injuries in a suicide attempt compared to 1 per cent in the same period last year.

This could be explained by decrease in construction related injuries, car accidents, sports injuries due to initial lockdown. Correlation does not imply causation. Also, the spinal injury unit is not an ICU.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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