Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

TonyMaloney wrote: »

I know mate. They do the same with HIV. It's ridiculous!!!

If we didn't test for asymptomatic HIV cases there would basically be nobody with HIV/AIDS and the virus would surely just disapear.

Completely different as you must be aware? Perhaps you are not, mate.

Covid for the under 70’s is mostly a mild virus, similar or less than a cold for the majority. Hence the advice, if positive, is to stay at home. Do you think they advise the same with HIV? HIV is a life threatening illness without treatment.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just a heads up. He was taking the piss out of you.[/

Is this the level of debate allowed on boards?

Deleted User wrote: »

I presumed he was taking the piss.

I was using the much vaunted sarcastic approach.

Just as HIV can become AIDS, SARS-CoV-2 can become COVID-19 (I may have that backwards).
And similarly to HIV, if you've got SARS-CoV-2 and are asymptomatic, you can still be infectious.

That's why for both viruses, an asymptomatic case is still a case.

I see a few studies that report that a mouthwash significantly reduces the transmission of Covid from an infected person. Should this be used in conjunction with sanitising hands as it seems to be obvious that surfaces are not a huge factor in transmission and that aerosols are the main culprit. Should we have gargling points outside supermarkets etc?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/wellness/mouthwash-inactivate-covid-study/2020/10/22/1735cdd4-13c5-11eb-bc10-40b25382f1be_story.html

snowcat wrote: »

I see a few studies that report that a mouthwash significantly reduces the transmission of Covid from an infected person. Should this be used in conjunction with sanitising hands as it seems to be obvious that surfaces are not a huge factor in transmission and that aerosols are the main culprit. Should we have gargling points outside supermarkets etc?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/wellness/mouthwash-inactivate-covid-study/2020/10/22/1735cdd4-13c5-11eb-bc10-40b25382f1be_story.html

Nah, the spittoon would be a well of germs!

kittensmittens wrote: »

With all due respect, but this is where we find ourselves? Giving them a get out of jail card in the auld oirish way "ah shure they're great lads dem big top docs and de people running de country...shure what would an aul gombeen like me or the likes of me know about any of this complicated bisnis, begorah begorah"

Sorry but I dont buy in. This is their JOB!! And if the government or the people they employ in these roles as advisorsbe that medical advisors or political ones, can say litereally "Shure look lads, we've run out of options. We creamed the taxpayers for years in office and our buddies in the HSE did likewise, but now that its a sh1t show, yis are on your sweeney"

Likewise, with all due respect, that’s absolute horsesh1t. You mention the tone of an earlier post and then come out with the likes of that ?? Really?

No government in Europe did well or managed this situation back in the spring. Everyone was flying blind and doing what they thought was best. Just because these top doctors etc are saying things I might not like doesn’t make them wrong.
I don’t actually disagree with much of the second part of your post, but we can’t go back to 2005 and invest more or not cream the taxpayer. They were dealing in the here and now at the time (back in March)

wellwhynot wrote: »

Yes but the death rate for AIDs without treatment is 90%.

The death rate for Covid in the under 70’s (with underlying conditions) is 0.05%.

We don’t routinely swab for any other respiratory virus including flu or colds and they are infectious. Flu CFR is 1%.

The Flu CFR is not 1%, more like 0.1%.

And why are you comparing the (wrong) total Flu CFR with a wrong figure, to a selective slice of Covid CFR?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Everybody who comes into hospital as an in-patient with flu like symptoms will get screened for flu. You are been disingenious.
It's a highly infectious disease.

So only the sickest, yeah?

kittensmittens wrote: »

There is now a 3 YEAR BACKLOG in breast cancer screening. It only reopened yesterday.

There are 153 THOUSAND women affected by this. Have a wee read of that number again. 153 THOUSAND. And you can bet your bottom dollar, within that figure there will be deaths due to late detection and treatment due to covid taking precedent.

But hey, I'm sure that when those women are dying and leaving husbands, children and families behind for what may have been avoidable if they had of been treated, that they will die knowing they "held firm".

After discovering a lump I’m now waiting 8 weeks and have not had a screening I’m sure they’re are others waiting longer

ETA as luck would have it I just received a call and thankfully have an appointment next week

odyssey06 wrote: »

The Flu CFR is not 1%, more like 0.1%.

And why are you comparing the (wrong) total Flu CFR with a wrong figure, to a selective slice of Covid CFR?

You know why.

kittensmittens wrote: »

Well then thats slightly more worrying

As I said, it was you who said their hands were tied and we just have to accept that.

I’m not sure I get the point, but hey.
FWIW I work in the private sector.

Hands are tied was referring to front line staff. I meant I’ve no issue with the nurses, doctors etc at the coal face, so to speak. Any issue I’d have with the HSE would be the layers of bureaucracy.

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

After discovering a lump in now waiting 8 weeks and have not had a screening I’m sure they’re are others waiting longer

There was someone posted in response to my post a couple of pages back that anyone with lumps or family history as still being seen. I thought "What shillery"!
They are in their backside seeing women. I know of one woman with a lump waiting 12 weeks and has family history and another friend has had her treatment for removing cells cancelled 3 times since march.
But again, what do we know? I'm sure someone will be along very shortly to correct me and let us know that we are cancer moaners and covid is the thread topic here and what ever we do......dont have the audacity to question the powers that be

Boggles wrote: »

'Death rate of Flu is 1%, the majority of people in ICU with Covid are young men who tried to commit suicide'

Think I'll come back later.

I can’t wait for your next one liner.

Boggles wrote: »

'Death rate of Flu is 1%, the majority of people in ICU with Covid are young men who tried to commit suicide'

Think I'll come back later.

How can you be so callous, a nurse said it