New tv for series x

rottie 11 · 24-10-2020 2:40am #1

What would be the best tv to buy for the new console ? I’m heating you’d probably want 120hz for the best experience for COD etc

theteal · 24-10-2020 10:33am

Sony XH90 just got it's 120Hz upgrade and more HDMI 2.1 features on the way e.g. VRR. It's a FALD LCD, not super top of the range but upper-middle. I couldn't trust an OLED as a mainly gaming TV so I'm keeping an eye on this.

They're branding it as "ready for PS5" or some such.

Not sure of Irish prices but it's £999 for 55" over here - wish it had a 49"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI2QIOhMa50

NeitherJohn · 24-10-2020 12:45pm

I'm waiting to see if the prices for the LG CX 65 inch fall around black Friday.

I'll probably be getting that or the 55 inch depending on the prices.

rottie 11 · 24-10-2020 1:46pm

theteal wrote: »

Sony XH90 just got it's 120Hz upgrade and more HDMI 2.1 features on the way e.g. VRR. It's a FALD LCD, not super top of the range but upper-middle. I couldn't trust an OLED as a mainly gaming TV so I'm keeping an eye on this.

They're branding it as "ready for PS5" or some such.

Not sure of Irish prices but it's £999 for 55" over here - wish it had a 49"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI2QIOhMa50

Cheers I was considering going For a big screen this around like a 65inch maybe but that would probably be too expensive. There’s not too many 120 hz on the market either

rottie 11 · 24-10-2020 1:46pm

NeitherJohn wrote: »

I'm waiting to see if the prices for the LG CX 65 inch fall around black Friday.

I'll probably be getting that or the 55 inch depending on the prices.

I’ve always had LG’s myself really like the brand, how much is that currently ?

NeitherJohn · 24-10-2020 3:07pm

rottie 11 wrote: »

I’ve always had LG’s myself really like the brand, how much is that currently ?

€2549 at the moment for the 65 inch on richer sounds. €1549 for the 55 inch in the same shop.

Hoping the 65 comes down a bit more ðŸ˜…

rottie 11 · 24-10-2020 3:32pm

NeitherJohn wrote: »

€2549 at the moment for the 65 inch on richer sounds. €1549 for the 55 inch in the same shop.

Hoping the 65 comes down a bit more ðŸ˜…

Is that tv not an OLED ? I was looking at an LG in Harvey Norman 65inch for 2k , it was an oled 120hz

The Sony Bravia xh90 seems like a good shout too , 1400 for 65 inch

24-10-2020 3:35pm

Went for the Samsung Q70T myself. Cheaper than Oled screens which allowed me to go for a bigger size.

NeitherJohn · 24-10-2020 3:37pm

rottie 11 wrote: »

Is that tv not an OLED ? I was looking at an LG in Harvey Norman 65inch for 2k , it was an oled 120hz

The Sony Bravia xh90 seems like a good shout too , 1400 for 65 inch

Yeah both OLEDS. Might have been the BX rather than the CX in there? Sound is meant to be a bit better on the CX.

luciddream · 24-10-2020 3:40pm

rottie 11 wrote: »

Is that tv not an OLED ? I was looking at an LG in Harvey Norman 65inch for 2k , it was an oled 120hz

The Sony Bravia xh90 seems like a good shout too , 1400 for 65 inch

Richer sounds currently have the 65 inch for £1119. (€1230ish)

I ordered the 55 inch from those lads last week and can only echo the sentiments above. Fantastic TV for the price range.

rottie 11 · 24-10-2020 4:23pm

NeitherJohn wrote: »

Yeah both OLEDS. Might have been the BX rather than the CX in there? Sound is meant to be a bit better on the CX.

Ya maybe not really sure but the quality looked amazing on it

rottie 11 · 24-10-2020 4:24pm

luciddream wrote: »

Richer sounds currently have the 65 inch for £1119. (€1230ish)

I ordered the 55 inch from those lads last week and can only echo the sentiments above. Fantastic TV for the price range.

1230 for the Sony xh90 is it ? How long would delivery normally take though I wonder

rottie 11 · 24-10-2020 4:26pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Went for the Samsung Q70T myself. Cheaper than Oled screens which allowed me to go for a bigger size.

Ya that looks like a nice tv aswel , I think I’m going to go with the Sony at this stage anyway

luciddream · 24-10-2020 4:43pm

rottie 11 wrote: »

1230 for the Sony xh90 is it? How long would delivery normally take though I wonder

Yep for the XH90. I think they normally take 3-5 days for delivery.

ziggyman17 · 24-10-2020 4:51pm

will go for the Sony, the 65 inch is 1450, was going to wait till the Black Friday sales, but I cannot see it going any lower in price than what it is now...........

rottie 11 · 24-10-2020 4:58pm

ziggyman17 wrote: »

will go for the Sony, the 65 inch is 1450, was going to wait till the Black Friday sales, but I cannot see it going any lower in price than what it is now...........

Same I think. Luciddream just said a few posts back that it’s going for around 1230 on richer sounds, I almost bought it in Harvey Norman today for 1400 but I’ll go with richer sounds for that price

rottie 11 · 24-10-2020 4:59pm

luciddream wrote: »

Yep for the XH90. I think they normally take 3-5 days for delivery.

Cheers bud

joe123 · 24-10-2020 11:20pm

Ive been doing some research into TV's lately (my own having screen issues for a while now and its not a 4k). With Black Friday and next Gen around the corner its probably the best time for this to happen.

So what I was reading, OLEDs while the best screen are reportedly prone to Screen Burn, especially with some computer games that would have static menus, FIFA was mentioned here and thats a game I play a lot of.

What are peoples thoughts? Avoid OLED if your going to be using GEN5 a lot on it?

For their price, 2-3 years and seeing image burn would be a terrible.

Cyrus · 24-10-2020 11:47pm

luciddream wrote: »

Richer sounds currently have the 65 inch for £1119. (€1230ish)

I ordered the 55 inch from those lads last week and can only echo the sentiments above. Fantastic TV for the price range.

It’s 1330 or so converted as price is 1199 plus whatever shipping is (not sure how difficult richer sounds make it to buy in Sterling and it’s massive and heavy )

At 1450 locally it’s a great tv at a fair price

rottie 11 · 25-10-2020 12:36am

Cyrus wrote: »

It’s 1330 or so converted as price is 1199 plus whatever shipping is (not sure how difficult richer sounds make it to buy in Sterling and it’s massive and heavy )

At 1450 locally it’s a great tv at a fair price

It’s 1450 for richer sounds delivered. He’s only the one left aswel

theteal · 25-10-2020 1:09am

joe123 wrote: »

Ive been doing some research into TV's lately (my own having screen issues for a while now and its not a 4k). With Black Friday and next Gen around the corner its probably the best time for this to happen.

So what I was reading, OLEDs while the best screen are reportedly prone to Screen Burn, especially with some computer games that would have static menus, FIFA was mentioned here and thats a game I play a lot of.

What are peoples thoughts? Avoid OLED if your going to be using GEN5 a lot on it?

For their price, 2-3 years and seeing image burn would be a terrible.

To say OLED is the best screen is too vague. Yes they have better contrast and per pixel light control but not all OLEDs are the same. Processing (motion, colour etc.) plays a massive part in how a display works and thus you will find that Pana and Sony OLEDs will be regarded as better than LG for such factors. Sonys motion advantage is not limited to their OLEDs though and the xh90 you'll see mentioned in this thread will be better in that respect also.

Yes they can suffer from uneven pixel wear which gives the impression of burn in but theyve been working on ways to prevent it for years now and I believe the rate of cases is dropping - although it generally takes about 2 years for these things to show up so it may be a bit soon to tell. Either way, irelands consumer laws are excellent and there should be no issue winning a case in the SCC if an item is not reasonably durable e.g. faulty screen inside 3/4/5 years.

Would I buy one as a gaming TV with my new xbox? Nope. Cant trust them with any kind of recurring fixed images. Pixel wear is cumulative so it's not about having an image on screen for a long period which gets burned in, the repeated appearance of an image in the same place for short periods is just as bad. I'll buy the xh90 instead and live with a bit of backlight blooming safe in the knowledge that should I want to flick over to a news channel, it wont damage my expensive display.

heebusjeebus · 25-10-2020 7:31am

I got the 65 inch XH90 recently and it's amazing. A huge step up from my old LCD from 2009 obviously but the speed of the Android OS means I could retire my Nvidia Shield and streamline my setup.
It's also just got the update to use HDMI 2.1 so I'm all ready for next gen!

Tipsy McSwagger · 25-10-2020 9:22am

joe123 wrote: »

Ive been doing some research into TV's lately (my own having screen issues for a while now and its not a 4k). With Black Friday and next Gen around the corner its probably the best time for this to happen.

So what I was reading, OLEDs while the best screen are reportedly prone to Screen Burn, especially with some computer games that would have static menus, FIFA was mentioned here and thats a game I play a lot of.

What are peoples thoughts? Avoid OLED if your going to be using GEN5 a lot on it?

For their price, 2-3 years and seeing image burn would be a terrible.

OLEDs are by far the best TVs on the market. Nothing else comes anywhere close to their picture quality. Burn in is nothing to be concerned about, and LG have taken ample measures to make sure it it is practically non existent.

You will never regret getting an OLED, but you may regret choosing another type like QLED as in the back of your mind you will know OLED is the best. Just go to the richersounds forum, they all say get an OLED if you can and most of them have one.

NeitherJohn · 25-10-2020 9:51am

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

OLEDs are by far the best TVs on the market. Nothing else comes anywhere close to their picture quality. Burn in is nothing to be concerned about, and LG have taken ample measures to make sure it it is practically non existent.

You will never regret getting an OLED, but you may regret choosing another type like QLED as in the back of your mind you will know OLED is the best. Just go to the richersounds forum, they all say get an OLED if you can and most of them have one.

I was just going to post up a video from Vincent Teoh. He reviews OLEDS and he conducted a burn in test. Reaffirmed my decision to pick OLED for the Series X.

https://youtu.be/SlP2kwNqXNA

CatInABox · 25-10-2020 10:47am

I've been using an LG B/C7 (I can't remember which, but back then there was basically no difference. There is a difference in processing power now) for years now, solely hooked up to my Xbox. Looks great even now.

Just to be aware, the only tv that can do 4K 120Hz with both VRR and HDR enabled, is the LG CX.

This guy explains it more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDKU8E9rJOc

Buttros · 25-10-2020 11:00am

Ive been using an LG OLED for 5 ish years. 950EF or something is the model. Madden is the game most played in that time. No issues with burn in. Still happy with it and my next TV will more than likely be an LG OLED (Not for a few more years)

Hurrache · 25-10-2020 4:20pm

theteal wrote: »

Would I buy one as a gaming TV with my new xbox? Nope. Cant trust them with any kind of recurring fixed images.

You're missing out. It's not an issue with regular gaming use and most tech sites etc recommend them for next gen gaming. I can't recall who at the moment but there's one site who are basically trying to force screen burn on OLEDs for months using scenarios that you'd never have ordinarily and it's not a huge problem.

Edit, Rtings, literally came to me after posting
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test

Update 05/31/2019: The TVs have now been running for over 9000 hours (around 5 years at 5 hours every day). Uniformity issues have developed on the TVs displaying Football and FIFA 18, and are starting to develop on the TV displaying Live NBC. Our stance remains the same, we don't expect most people who watch varied content without static areas to experience burn-in issues with an OLED TV.

Original statement from 11/05/2018: After more than 5000 hours, there has been no appreciable change to the brightness or color gamut of these TVs. Long periods of static content have resulted in some permanent burn-in (see the CNN TVs), however the other TVs with more varied content don't yet have noticeable uniformity issues on normal content. As a result, we don't expect most people who watch varied content without static areas to experience burn-in issues with an OLED TV. Those who display the same static content over long periods of time should consider the risk of burn-in though (such as those who watch lots of news, use the TV as a PC monitor, or play the same game with a bright static HUD). Those who are concerned about the risk of burn-in should go with an LCD TV for the peace of mind.

25-10-2020 4:36pm

Since OLED became reasonably affordable (you can get end-of-line LG 55" models for around 1200 regularly) nobody with a budget in that range should buy an LCD.

LCD still has it's place for bright day time viewing, people who leave the news running all day etc. Or just a cheap TV for the bedroom.

rottie 11 · 25-10-2020 6:57pm

I ended up buying the 65 Sony Bravia XH90 today anyway , got it for 1400 in Harvey’s. Haven’t set it up yet but can’t wait to later on

25-10-2020 8:54pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

OLEDs are by far the best TVs on the market. Nothing else comes anywhere close to their picture quality. Burn in is nothing to be concerned about, and LG have taken ample measures to make sure it it is practically non existent.

You will never regret getting an OLED, but you may regret choosing another type like QLED as in the back of your mind you will know OLED is the best. Just go to the richersounds forum, they all say get an OLED if you can and most of them have one.

I went with the Qled and I can assure you its not something I regret nor will I ever regret. This TV was designed for gaming.

Oled is better contrast but honestly Qled is more than plenty good enough to the point where I felt my money was better spent going for a bigger screen for the ultimate cinema experience.

I also got 50% off a sounbar so there was that too. That offer is still going if people are looking for a TV + Soundbar.

Oafley Jones · 26-10-2020 9:16am

rottie 11 wrote: »

I ended up buying the 65 Sony Bravia XH90 today anyway , got it for 1400 in Harvey’s. Haven’t set it up yet but can’t wait to later on

Can you confirm how many HDMI2.1 ports it has. I’m seeing some say the 65 has 1 vs the 55’s 2. Getting both the PS and Xbox so I’d need the two at least.

heebusjeebus · 26-10-2020 9:51am

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Can you confirm how many HDMI2.1 ports it has. I’m seeing some say the 65 has 1 vs the 55’s 2. Getting both the PS and Xbox so I’d need the two at least.

The xh90 has 2 Hdmi 2.1 ports but one is also the eArc port.

Gonzo · 26-10-2020 3:09pm

got the XH90 55 here and it's absolutely stunning. Getting both PS5 and Xbox Series X so both hdmi 2.1 ports will be used up.

ziggyman17 · 26-10-2020 3:40pm

Gonzo wrote: »

got the XH90 55 here and it's absolutely stunning. Getting both PS5 and Xbox Series X so both hdmi 2.1 ports will be used up.

I am going to get the 65 inch version this week, was going to wait to see if it drops in price in the black friday sale, but for 1450 euros I cannot see it dropping in price.......

joe123 · 26-10-2020 3:48pm

I'll be keeping a keen eye on Black Friday sales.

At the moment it seems the number one choice to cover all GEN5 requirements is the LG CX. Very expensive though, the 55' is coming in around the €1500 range. The only concern here is the burn in that can occur on OLEDS. As I play a lot of FIFA and watch a lot of sports, its my main concern, but by all accounts it ticks all the boxes in terms of HMDI 2.1 and HDR quality.

After this the Sony XH905 is getting recommended quite a bit and the the Samsung Q80T.

Wonder what sort of price reductions we could see on the above. LG CX would be very tempting if it was around 1k.

Hey_Listen · 26-10-2020 5:22pm

So if TV supports HDMI 2.1 then it supports VRR ?
And is this mostly equivalent to gsync and free sync ???
I'm totally confused about this.

I notice my Xbox One X says VRR now when connected to my LG OLED B9 and a freesync monitor. So I think the consumer label for this will be VRR going forward. All the advanced features from the one x are ticked green against this TV.

I got the B9 recently as it was discounted as it's last year's model. But by all accounts it looks fantastic and gets fantastic reviews. RDR2 looks stunning. Movies look stunning. Black is gorgeous on this. Beautiful natural picture. This is the best digital image I've ever seen.

I'm not upgrading to a next gen console just yet. But this TV should do VRR 60 FPS 4K HDR with a very fast response time. So I'm happy. It's got 4 hdmi 4.1 ports too! I think the only difference Vs this years models is slower processor so it won't do 120 FPS at 4K but I doubt many games will support that or will have compromises so I'm ok with that. Also the VRR support might be weaker but as I said , I'm in the dark about this.

theteal · 26-10-2020 6:08pm

Hey_Listen wrote: »

So if TV supports HDMI 2.1 then it supports VRR ?
And is this mostly equivalent to gsync and free sync ???
I'm totally confused about this.

I notice my Xbox One X says VRR now when connected to my LG OLED B9 and a freesync monitor. So I think the consumer label for this will be VRR going forward. All the advanced features from the one x are ticked green against this TV.

I got the B9 recently as it was discounted as it's last year's model. But by all accounts it looks fantastic and gets fantastic reviews. RDR2 looks stunning. Movies look stunning. Black is gorgeous on this. Beautiful natural picture. This is the best digital image I've ever seen.

I'm not upgrading to a next gen console just yet. But this TV should do VRR 60 FPS 4K HDR with a very fast response time. So I'm happy. It's got 4 hdmi 4.1 ports too! I think the only difference Vs this years models is slower processor so it won't do 120 FPS at 4K but I doubt many games will support that or will have compromises so I'm ok with that. Also the VRR support might be weaker but as I said , I'm in the dark about this.

Iirc, the general consensus is that you're better off with the B/C9 than the newer variants. LG took more features out than improvements made.

Hey_Listen · 26-10-2020 8:17pm

theteal wrote: »

Iirc, the general consensus is that you're better off with the B/C9 than the newer variants. LG took more features out than improvements made.

Good to know!
It's a minefield.
I see there is a BX now.
Still 300 more than the B9 I bought in the summer.

Also, I think the tech plateaus and they just start messing with features to pretend you are getting something new.

The new consoles should move everything along into 4K HDR 60 FPS low response times minimal standard. And at much lower prices. Which is a good thing.

I'm thinking people who don't have the latest TV should wait and see how things evolve in the next year or two. Definitely wait until the new consoles are tested against these TVs with next gen software.

Hurrache · 26-10-2020 8:23pm

theteal wrote: »

Iirc, the general consensus is that you're better off with the B/C9 than the newer variants. LG took more features out than improvements made.

Don't think it is. The CX rates better compared to the C9 but the main argument us that if you could have gotten the C9 at a discount the price jump to the CX wasn't worth it.. But in terms of gaming the CX seems to always rate better.

NeitherJohn · 26-10-2020 8:33pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Don't think it is. The CX rates better compared to the C9 but the main argument us that if you could have gotten the C9 at a discount the price jump to the CX wasn't worth it.. But in terms of gaming the CX seems to always rate better.

Aye, sorry to drop another link in here but Vincent Teoh compares both here!

joe123 · 26-10-2020 8:48pm

Saw some posts over on av forums where they discuss image burn. Mentioned you'd have 4 years or so before you'd notice it if you played games like FIFA regularly. Any game that has a regular static hud.

For the price I couldnt justify it as much as I'd love an Oled.

Maestro84 · 26-10-2020 9:15pm

joe123 wrote: »

Saw some posts over on av forums where they discuss image burn. Mentioned you'd have 4 years or so before you'd notice it if you played games like FIFA regularly. Any game that has a regular static hud.

For the price I couldnt justify it as much as I'd love an Oled.

Would you not have a 5 or 6 year warranty that would cover that?

xtal191 · 26-10-2020 9:35pm

Maestro84 wrote: »

Would you not have a 5 or 6 year warranty that would cover that?

Pretty sure burn in isn't covered

Hey_Listen · 26-10-2020 9:38pm

Won't cover burn in. But you can buy special warranties at least in the UK specifically for burn in. Tests on eg rtings seem to say it's a none issue unless you have the TV on static content 24/7 and even then not for years. However they can only test a TV for this and not an average sample.

I said screw it. I don't watch much TV or game much but I got tired analysing and agonising over lesser TVs and I was tired of treating myself to second best

I figured I'd save time and sanity by just getting the OLED. Plus I bought local so helping the economy during the covid recession ... I was convincing myself

Analysis paralysis is a terrible thing.

For just over a grand I got the B9 for the same price as my previous TV. A Samsung 1080p LCD from 2008, which is still fine. If I get the same amount of time out of this I'll be delighted.

theteal · 26-10-2020 9:39pm

Maestro84 wrote: »

Would you not have a 5 or 6 year warranty that would cover that?

LG for a long time refused to acknowledge that burn-in could happen. Then due to the amount of complaints buckled and now give a mighty one year cover for burn-in and basically blame the user should it happen.

It matters not really as you'll walk a small claims case based on the item being not reasonably durable. If you cant watch a TV without it breaking itself, it's not fit for purpose.

rottie 11 · 26-10-2020 10:06pm

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Can you confirm how many HDMI2.1 ports it has. I’m seeing some say the 65 has 1 vs the 55’s 2. Getting both the PS and Xbox so I’d need the two at least.

I have 4 hdmi ports on mine, the third one down says ARK next to it though. What does that mean does anyone know ? I’m my Xbox just plugged into a normal port

theteal · 26-10-2020 10:40pm

rottie 11 wrote: »

I have 4 hdmi ports on mine, the third one down says ARK next to it though. What does that mean does anyone know ? I’m my Xbox just plugged into a normal port

Are you sure it's not "ARC"? Audio return channel, that's the one you connect to a soundbar/amp. Itll pass the audio from everything connected to the TV to the soundbar/amp.

rottie 11 · 27-10-2020 1:32am

theteal wrote: »

Are you sure it's not "ARC"? Audio return channel, that's the one you connect to a soundbar/amp. Itll pass the audio from everything connected to the TV to the soundbar/amp.

Yes sorry arc lol ah right that’s handy. Can it not be used so for an Xbox etc ?

27-10-2020 8:31am

theteal wrote: »

LG for a long time refused to acknowledge that burn-in could happen. Then due to the amount of complaints buckled and now give a mighty one year cover for burn-in and basically blame the user should it happen.

It matters not really as you'll walk a small claims case based on the item being not reasonably durable. If you cant watch a TV without it breaking itself, it's not fit for purpose.

Lads the Qleds are amazing, trust me. You're not going to look at a Qled and think omg the blacks are sh!t I should have gone for an Oled.

I can't believe someone would buy a TV thinking I'm going to use the warranty in 4 years or take LG to the small claims court!!

I got myself a 75" Q70T for 2k. The 77" Cx was around 8k i think. Only negative is if you need more than one hdmi 2.1 port because it only has the one.

wes · 27-10-2020 11:40am

Deleted User wrote: »

Lads the Qleds are amazing, trust me. You're not going to look at a Qled and think omg the blacks are sh!t I should have gone for an Oled.

I have a 2018 Q8DN QLED, and it has local dimming. It has 40 local dimming zones, and while it is not as good as OLED, the black levels are pretty good and it is better for brightness than OLEDs. I know the newer models have more local dimming zones, so I don't think people will be disappointed in the black levels. Just make sure the model you get has local dimming.

Also, to consider are any mini led TVs, which have even more local dimming zones. Samsung doesn't have nay this year, but they will next year. Some brands have the mini led this year.

The reason I went for the QLED over an OLED is that I use my TV as a PC monitor, and so OLED was a non-starter as I didn't want my PC burning in the OLED screen.

theteal · 27-10-2020 11:54am

rottie 11 wrote: »

Yes sorry arc lol ah right that’s handy. Can it not be used so for an Xbox etc ?

Yup, you can, if you've no sound system to connect it to, fire away.

New tv for series x

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