Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

stephenjmcd · 25-10-2020 07:23PM

The Continental Op wrote: »

TOTTALY ILLEGAL for pubs to sell beer thats then drunk outside on the road.

Takeaway and delivery fine. Drinking on the streets could affect the pubs license afaik.

Eh no its not totally illegal and no it wouldn't affect the pubs licence.

There's also no national law regarding public drinking, its based on if the area has any bye laws.

PTH2009 · 25-10-2020 07:53PM

take away pints seem a good idea but where can people go to the toilets if they cant enter the premises

fin12 · 25-10-2020 07:54PM

sporina wrote: »

So was in the city earlier (Cork) and saw people drinking beer out of plastic pint glasses on the street.. assumed they had their own cans or what ever... but then saw a few pubs selling alcohol for take away - is this legal? just wondering.. like how does that bode with "no drinking on the street laws" etc?

Yes it is legal, there was an article on CorkBeo telling u what places were offering this services.

fin12 · 25-10-2020 07:55PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

take away pints seem a good idea but where can people go to the toilets if they cant enter the premises

Go into Tesco Paul street toilets.

dominatinMC · 25-10-2020 07:57PM

rubadub wrote: »

What do you think the word vigilante means? same to those who thanked it -dominatinMC, Hunky Monster, Risteard81, TheValeyard

Some really odd dictionaries seem to be doing the rounds, weird notions of what a loophole is too.

You're right. A better description would have been a curtain twitching busybody. Get on with life and give up the moral crusade.

vafankillar · 25-10-2020 08:12PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

take away pints seem a good idea but where can people go to the toilets if they cant enter the premises

not sure about elsewhere but in dublin city there's two public toilet prefab things since april/may, graften street and wolftone square

rubadub · 25-10-2020 08:13PM

dominatinMC wrote: »

You're right. A better description would have been a curtain twitching busybody..

I don't see how they are a curtain twitcher or busybody, again people seem to have very different understandings of the terms than me, or any dictionary definitions I see.

I presume you are trying to say they are overly concerned, but struggling to find a suitable derogatory term. I can't think of one myself.

sporina · 25-10-2020 08:30PM

vafankillar wrote: »

as far as I know, level 5 allows take away pints, there is no national public drinking law in ireland but you must be 100m away from where you bought it and you can be done for being dangerously drunk. I think many places have local by laws about public drinking though and no idea about cork

I always thought that drinking alcohol on the streets in Ireland was illegal??

In any event, I personally don't have a prob with it - but there wer 2 lads being quiet lively close to the footpath (pints in hand) as I was driving by - if I wer to hit one of them, would I be in the wrong? Just made me wonder about the safety aspect of it..

rubadub · 25-10-2020 08:33PM

sporina wrote: »

I always thought that drinking alcohol on the streets in Ireland was illegal??

It is illegal to be drunk in a public place, I am not sure of the definition, I have never heard of people being breathalyzed to be done for it. Leo came out and said knacker drinking (not his term!) was OK/acceptable which was surprising, and he was talking drinking an amount that the govenment and the WHO would class as "binge drinking", but that nobody I know of would describe as binge drinking.

fin12 · 25-10-2020 08:40PM

rubadub wrote: »

It is illegal to be drunk in a public place, I am not sure of the definition, I have never heard of people being breathalyzed to be done for it. Leo came out and said knacker drinking (not his term!) was OK/acceptable which was surprising, and he was talking drinking an amount that the govenment and the WHO would class as "binge drinking", but that nobody I know of would describe as binge drinking.

Nothing surprising about it ,he partakes in knacker drinking himself or have u forgotten the topless photos of him necking cans in the park.

I wouldn’t listen to a word that pr*ck has to say.

El_Duderino 09 · 25-10-2020 09:03PM

sporina wrote: »

So was in the city earlier (Cork) and saw people drinking beer out of plastic pint glasses on the street.. assumed they had their own cans or what ever... but then saw a few pubs selling alcohol for take away - is this legal? just wondering.. like how does that bode with "no drinking on the street laws" etc?

They’re probably being a lot more relaxed about drinking in the street as long as people aren’t causing trouble. Seems like a good approach as long as people aren’t taking the p1ss.

But speaking of taking the p1ss, where will people take a p1ss? And where will they wash their hands etc?

A good approach would be to set up designated outdoor areas, Distanced tables of 4 seats, toilets, shelter from rain and so on.

Have you seen those pub areas made from shipping containers? They’re very cheap to set up on an unused bit of urban land.

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+stack+newcastle&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiP95rUxNDsAhVH-YUKHUJxCnUQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=the+stack+newcastle&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzIECCMQJzICCAAyAggAMgQIABAYMgQIABAYOgQIABAeULIOWIETYK0baABwAHgAgAGnAogB1wWSAQUzLjIuMZgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=y9mVX8_lE8fylwTC4qmoBw&bih=454&biw=320&prmd=mniv&rlz=1CDGOYI_enGB736GB737&hl=en-GB

PTH2009 · 25-10-2020 09:55PM

Xmas drinks outdoors will be insane

No doubt pubs will be open around Europe/UK in December with restrictions and ours fully shut

Reckon they could be a lot of local hotel bookings for Dec when/if we go back to level 3. That will replace 12 pubs/xmas parties

fin12 · 25-10-2020 10:27PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Xmas drinks outdoors will be insane

No doubt pubs will be open around Europe/UK in December with restrictions and ours fully shut

Reckon they could be a lot of local hotel bookings for Dec when/if we go back to level 3. That will replace 12 pubs/xmas parties

In fairness, some pub outdoor/smoking areas are like ur indoors anyway. Covered, heated, comfortable seating. If it is going to be level 3 plenty will still head out. A few hot toddy’s and u won’t feel the cold.

MrStuffins · 25-10-2020 10:36PM

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

So are you saying that just because pubs are open, the people who called for them to be opened should be forced to go to them?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

Bands of hired-goons should be employed to beat down the doors of those posters and at gun or knife-point should be dragged to their local pub and forced to drink some tasty pints of Guinness!

And they better enjoy them or there will be consequences!

Faridaweeda · 25-10-2020 10:37PM

rubadub wrote: »

What do you think the word vigilante means? same to those who thanked it -dominatinMC, Hunky Monster, Risteard81, TheValeyard

Some really odd dictionaries seem to be doing the rounds, weird notions of what a loophole is too.

a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, people with too much time on their hands worrying about what other people are doing , nosey bastards is another term for them

PTH2009 · 25-10-2020 10:46PM

fin12 wrote: »

In fairness, some pub outdoor/smoking areas are like ur indoors anyway. Covered, heated, comfortable seating. If it is going to be level 3 plenty will still head out. A few hot toddy’s and u won’t feel the cold.

more of a hassle trying to get a table/seat in those areas

Booking system a bit hard for lone drinkers, no way will a pub take a lone drinker over a couple/group

El_Duderino 09 · 25-10-2020 11:46PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Xmas drinks outdoors will be insane

No doubt pubs will be open around Europe/UK in December with restrictions and ours fully shut

Reckon they could be a lot of local hotel bookings for Dec when/if we go back to level 3. That will replace 12 pubs/xmas parties

Depends on how they're regulated. If they're limited on numbers, Seated at al times except going to the toilet and table service, then it could work fine. Oh, it would require customers to buy into the new regime, but that's up to them. If customers don't comply they'd be an easy target to be shut down so it would be up to themselves.

I've been to The Stack in Newcastle, to which I posted a link in the last post, just before Christmas last year and it was great. It was sheltered on all sides from the wind and the canopy overhead protected from rain and heaters and fire pits kept us warm. That kind of thing can be done.

Dickie10 · 26-10-2020 12:28AM

will pubs open in january at all or sometime next summer?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 26-10-2020 12:50AM

Dickie10 wrote: »

will pubs open in january at all or sometime next summer?

Ever dangling carrot. 2022 is my guess.

Dickie10 · 26-10-2020 06:40PM

thats mad just thinking about it is a but surreal. So are they planning to have any crowds gathering next year/? IRFU you will be no more, maybe FAI too.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-10-2020 06:49PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

thats mad just thinking about it is a but surreal. So are they planning to have any crowds gathering next year/? IRFU you will be no more, maybe FAI too.

Dickie10, you keep asking these questions about pubs or sports events, people keep saying that nothing will change without a vaccine. Then you wait a few days and ask the same questions again.

What do you think yourself?

IAMAMORON · 26-10-2020 06:55PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

will pubs open in january at all or sometime next summer?

I know it seems pretty dire at the moment, but this virus will not be around forever. SARS 1 ran out in under 2 years. The longer time goes on the more immunity which will be developed.

I cannot tell you when the pubs will re-open but I do think we will be seeing the back of this, or certainly the beginning of the back of this, towards the summer, if not earlier, it cannot last forever.

alentejo · 26-10-2020 08:27PM

I suspect pubs to reopen in April 2021 with a focus on outdoors. Would be Sept 2021 before pubs open indoors with graduated relaxations up to Summer 2022

doublejobbing 2 · 26-10-2020 08:44PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

will pubs open in january at all or sometime next summer?

This January we will be in lockdown III, our government being daft enough to retuning Irish emigrants into the country and doing nothing to stop Romanian etc workers from going home for Christmas and returning. Exact same way the virus was reintroduced in August, but the media won't highlight that one, they seem happy to pretend that our jump from circa 5 cases per day to over 2000 (incuding N.I) was purely organic.

The only country in Europe with a blanket ban on pubs to my knowledge. And prior to that the only country coming up with these ludicrous food rules and time limits.

It isn't about public safety. It's a war on pubs by health Nazis like Holohan and nerds who hate the thought of young people having craic they never had like Simon Harris.

The saddest part is, they've broken us. We took the 2nd round of pub closures on the chin, they've beaten us, they have us exactly where they want us- demoralised, depressed and expecting nothing good to happen.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 26-10-2020 08:56PM

Was chatting to a fella yesterday who came to Ireland from the UK during the week. No checks in the UK airport, no checks in Ireland. Meanwhile we’re all in lockdown for no other reason than the gov have no idea what to do. Fücking clown world.

IAMAMORON · 26-10-2020 09:10PM

alentejo wrote: »

I suspect pubs to reopen in April 2021 with a focus on outdoors. Would be Sept 2021 before pubs open indoors with graduated relaxations up to Summer 2022

Something like this seems very feasible. I fact it would not surprise me to see an emphasis on getting pubs open before April.

IAMAMORON · 26-10-2020 09:24PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

This January we will be in lockdown III, our government being daft enough to retuning Irish emigrants into the country and doing nothing to stop Romanian etc workers from going home for Christmas and returning. Exact same way the virus was reintroduced in August, but the media won't highlight that one, they seem happy to pretend that our jump from circa 5 cases per day to over 2000 (incuding N.I) was purely organic.

The only country in Europe with a blanket ban on pubs to my knowledge. And prior to that the only country coming up with these ludicrous food rules and time limits.

It isn't about public safety. It's a war on pubs by health Nazis like Holohan and nerds who hate the thought of young people having craic they never had like Simon Harris.

The saddest part is, they've broken us. We took the 2nd round of pub closures on the chin, they've beaten us, they have us exactly where they want us- demoralised, depressed and expecting nothing good to happen.

I think there is a lot of truth to this. But I think pointing fingers at spineless politicians is too easy to do. It is not the politicians fault that there is a global pandemic.

I also don't think fingering Romanians travelling home for their Crimbo is left without subtlety, I mean what do think is going to happen, a mass exodus of Romanians on a distinct mission to bring back the Covid virus Transylvanian style? Jesus Bram Stoker would be proud of you. I mean how you have managed to point fingers at Irish Romanians says alot about you more than anything else.

This concept that Ireland would be fine if we locked our borders and hid under the bed is tiresome, it is neither a good idea or a viable solution. There is as much chance as a family bringing it back from a New Years ski trip to Switzerland as there is of any workers travelling home for Crimbo. I would also expect to see a fair amount of Irish travel to the Algarve once the lockdown gets lifted pre Christmas.

Everyone screamed conniptions about Cheltenham 6 months ago, there must have been a fair crowd of Brazilians and Peruvians backing the gg's last March also? Surely if they cancelled the racing they would be fine west of the Amazon tonight.

No one is to blame at this point, it is all about damage limitation.

doublejobbing 2 · 26-10-2020 09:29PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I think there is a lot of truth to this. But I think pointing fingers at spineless politicians is too easy to do. It is not the politicians fault that there is a global pandemic.

I also don't think fingering Romanians travelling home for their Crimbo is left without subtlety, I mean what do think is going to happen, a mass exodus of Romanians on a distinct mission to bring back the Covid virus Transylvanian style?

I highlight Romania because last summer their numbers were quite high when we flatlined.

A few weeks later it infested the meat plants.

Agreed, some of it also came back via Irish tourists mixing with Brits in Spain.

All moot anyway seeing as it is a generally harmless flu, but the numbers are important seeing as our government treats it like Ebola.

IAMAMORON · 26-10-2020 09:40PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

I highlight Romania because last summer their numbers were quite high when we flatlined.

A few weeks later it infested the meat plants.

Agreed, some of it also came back via Irish tourists mixing with Brits in Spain.

All moot anyway seeing as it is a generally harmless flu, but the numbers are important seeing as our government treats it like Ebola.

I think the government have done ok all things considered. Politics is a very polarised sport these days, particularly during a pandemic. Every decision gets scrutinised and then annihilated by the media and multimedia. If the government don't lockdown they are being reckless and accused of murdering our elderly, on the other hand then, when they do shutdown they are accused of destroying business or of mishandling the situation.

Too many people using it as an excuse to get the digs in. All things considered I think they have done ok, any other government would have done the same. People need to differentiate between elected officials and the state executive which are employed to run the country,

When you break down the state it is civil servants who actually run it, not a gang of flutes hanging around Dáil Eireann talking shight.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-10-2020 10:06PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

This January we will be in lockdown III, our government being daft enough to retuning Irish emigrants into the country and doing nothing to stop Romanian etc workers from going home for Christmas and returning. Exact same way the virus was reintroduced in August, but the media won't highlight that one, they seem happy to pretend that our jump from circa 5 cases per day to over 2000 (incuding N.I) was purely organic.

The only country in Europe with a blanket ban on pubs to my knowledge. And prior to that the only country coming up with these ludicrous food rules and time limits.

It isn't about public safety. It's a war on pubs by health Nazis like Holohan and nerds who hate the thought of young people having craic they never had like Simon Harris.

The saddest part is, they've broken us. We took the 2nd round of pub closures on the chin, they've beaten us, they have us exactly where they want us- demoralised, depressed and expecting nothing good to happen.

Paranoid, anti government guff.

Isn’t it amazing that these anti-pub conspiracies need successive governments to hold the same deeply held anti-craic opinion that I’ve never heard normal people express? What are the odds that it’s one thing all politician seem to agree on?

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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