Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

RugbyLad11 · 24-10-2020 01:58PM

Huge anti lockdown protest in London today, hard to say how many people but it looks like tens of thousands.

The funny thing is that the lockdown in England is nowhere as harsh as ours, I think the only major thing is that pubs have to close at 10PM.

polesheep · 24-10-2020 02:05PM

Penfailed wrote: »

...but it's another very high profile way of getting the message out there. I've never watched the LLS in my life (apart from the Toy Show in recent years). We didn't have RTE where I lived in the north. I don't see the attraction. The fact that everyone is talking about it points to the fact that it's got a massive following.

It's all about the audience. The audience for the LLS is already following everything Holohan instructs them to do. He will not be getting his message out to anyone else on the LLS.

3xh · 24-10-2020 02:06PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

The funny thing is that the lockdown in England is nowhere as harsh as ours, I think the only major thing is that pubs have to close at 10PM.

Did I hear right that the Westminster/Parliament bar isn’t closed?

Penfailed · 24-10-2020 02:08PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

The funny thing is that the lockdown in England is nowhere as harsh as ours, I think the only major thing is that pubs have to close at 10PM.

It depends on which tier (1, 2 or 3) you fall into. They're fairly restrictive.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_tier_regulations_in_England

FintanMcluskey · 24-10-2020 02:12PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Huge anti lockdown protest in London today, hard to say how many people but it looks like tens of thousands.

The funny thing is that the lockdown in England is nowhere as harsh as ours, I think the only major thing is that pubs have to close at 10PM.

I think most of the Irish are realising they were sold a pig in a bag and have been the most suppressed nation in Europe since June.

Tony H said last night this will not be a normal Christmas.

Don’t know who he thinks he is tbh

Penfailed · 24-10-2020 02:19PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Tony H said last night this will not be a normal Christmas.

Don’t know who he thinks he is tbh

Do you think it will be a normal Christmas? I don't.

normanoffside · 24-10-2020 02:25PM

Penfailed wrote: »

It depends on which tier (1, 2 or 3) you fall into. They're fairly restrictive.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_tier_regulations_in_England

Not really.
In the upper tier you can still go to the pub/restaurant for a pint and a 'substantial meal' (The copied that off us).
All retail is opened.
Their highest level is more or less where we were at in July.

suicide_circus · 24-10-2020 02:26PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Anyone with the brass neck to cling onto his role after presiding over the cervical check scandal is, at the very least, a dangerous egotist

It has to be said that, in this, Tony is just going along with the culture of the ruling classes in Ireland; brass neck all the way, never take responsibility, never fall on your sword and do the honourable thing and always brazen it until you're guaranteed your golden handshake.

niallo27 · 24-10-2020 02:27PM

Tide is turning on Tony. He will still have his loyal supporters, he could drive a nursing home bus off a cliff and some on here would defend him, we would probably get a graph on the dangers of nursing home buses. He is all ego.

FintanMcluskey · 24-10-2020 02:29PM

Penfailed wrote: »

It depends on which tier (1, 2 or 3) you fall into. They're fairly restrictive.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_tier_regulations_in_England

You seem to take the stance the the rest of Europe have similar restrictions to Ireland and it just isn’t true, no matter how many times you are proven wrong. Localised lockdown is not comparable to nationwide lockdown.

Ireland is an outlier, has been for months, and will continue to be.

Flappidyflap · 24-10-2020 02:29PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Anyone with the brass neck to cling onto his role after presiding over the cervical check scandal is, at the very least, a dangerous egotist.

He should never have been allowed to retain his position.

His every appearance smacks of an 'I know best' smugness and arrogance.

He makes my skin crawl TBH.

I agree. When there was talk of freedom of the city for superhero holohan it just made me really sad. What a slap in the face after the cervical check scandal. And people going for it.

Penfailed · 24-10-2020 02:39PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

You seem to take the stance the the rest of Europe have similar restrictions to Ireland and it just isn’t true, no matter how many times you are proven wrong. Localised lockdown is not comparable to nationwide lockdown.

Ireland is an outlier, has been for months, and will continue to be.

I don't. You seem to keep trying to put words in my mouth. Stop it please. I know localised lockdown isn't comparable to nationwide lockdown. I didn't make that comparison. I didn't say they have similar restrictions to here either. You're reading something that isn't there.

suicide_circus · 24-10-2020 02:39PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdQCPlAZjbY

FintanMcluskey · 24-10-2020 02:44PM

Penfailed wrote: »

It depends on which tier (1, 2 or 3) you fall into. They're fairly restrictive.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_tier_regulations_in_England

Penfailed wrote: »

I don't. You seem to keep trying to put words in my mouth. Stop it please. I know localised lockdown isn't comparable to nationwide lockdown. I didn't make that comparison. I didn't say they have similar restrictions to here either. You're reading something that isn't there.

You initially responded in disagreement to a post that stated the UKs restrictions are not as harsh as Ireland’s.

I’m not putting words in your mouth, I’m repeating what you are saying.

Zebra3 · 24-10-2020 02:45PM

I remember not that long ago a certain individual within the FAI somehow became a celebrity of some sorts. His job was to run the FAI, but he was a narcissist and hogged the limelight at every opportunity he could.

Be very wary of people who follow that path.

facehugger99 · 24-10-2020 02:55PM

If this was 50 years ago, Tony H would be a bishop and be on the LLS telling people why they can't have access to contraception.

There is a sizeable cohort in this country, happy to outsource their thinking to the man in the big house.

A few years ago the social-media generation were slapping themselves on the back telling themselves how far Ireland had traveled - what a fcuking sick joke that turned out to be - at the first sign of trouble we fell straight back into an ultra-conservative, subservient bunch of sheep.

Embarrassing.

Elessar · 24-10-2020 03:28PM

I'm sick to death of reading the pro-lockdown agenda of RTE anytime I click an article about coronavirus. Today grilling the Taoiseach on why it took so long to move to Level 5.

Are there any Irish journalists or media companies brave enough to challenge the lockdown mantra and ask the tough questions?

Honest question. I would like to read their articles.

normanoffside · 24-10-2020 03:44PM

Elessar wrote: »

I'm sick to death of reading the pro-lockdown agenda of RTE anytime I click an article about coronavirus. Today grilling the Taoiseach on why it took so long to move to Level 5.

Are there any Irish journalists or media companies brave enough to challenge the lockdown mantra and ask the tough questions?

Honest question. I would like to read their articles.

Did he tell us if we can have Christmas yet?

Elessar · 24-10-2020 04:07PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Did he tell us if we can have Christmas yet?

Only if we're good little boys and girls!

Penfailed · 24-10-2020 04:13PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

You initially responded in disagreement to a post that stated the UKs restrictions are not as harsh as Ireland’s.

I’m not putting words in your mouth, I’m repeating what you are saying.

What was actually said, which was the part I was responding too was, "the only major thing is that pubs have to close at 10pm." I said that it depended on the tier you were on. There are other fairly major restrictions in there too. You're not repeating what I'm saying. You're paraphrasing and making assumptions.

Do you think Christmas is going to be normal?

ThunbergsAreGo · 24-10-2020 04:15PM

Penfailed wrote: »

The thing is, he's not trying to be a celebrity. It's the media that are pushing him as a celebrity. If he's being invited on to the likes of the LLS, surely he'll be thinking, "What better way to get the message out there."

Could do it over Zoom. Being in person was not "essential"

Penfailed · 24-10-2020 04:30PM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Could do it over Zoom. Being in person was not "essential"

Oh okay. I really don't care either way. If he'd done it over Zoom, which is a shíte way to do an interview IMHO, he'd still be getting shít for it in here.

walus · 24-10-2020 04:31PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

If this was 50 years ago, Tony H would be a bishop and be on the LLS telling people why they can't have access to contraception.

There is a sizeable cohort in this country, happy to outsource their thinking to the man in the big house.

A few years ago the social-media generation were slapping themselves on the back telling themselves how far Ireland had traveled - what a fcuking sick joke that turned out to be - at the first sign of trouble we fell straight back into an ultra-conservative, subservient bunch of sheep.

Embarrassing.

You are 100% right, facehugger99. Sadly.

faceman · 24-10-2020 04:34PM

Posting this in travel thread but worth mentioning here

Valencia region in Spain which includes all of Costa Blanca and the Alicante area introduces curfew tonight until 9th December. Curfew might to 6am. Pubs last orders 11pm. Gatherings limited to 6.

Alcohol sales in offies and supermarkets is not permitted from 10pm to 8am. Still better than Ireland’s liquor laws!

Infection wise the region (similar population to Ireland) is one the best performing regions in Spain.

What’s most interesting about it is the justification. Government wants to avoid any type of lockdown unless absolutely necessary. The official document goes in to great details to highlight the problem areas by age group and social activity. We see nothing like this in Ireland where decisions are made, bar summary by country.

Could ireland not have considered something similar?

normanoffside · 24-10-2020 04:38PM

faceman wrote: »

Could ireland not have considered something similar?

Not with Tony coming back, no.

KindOfIrish · 24-10-2020 04:46PM

faceman wrote: »

Posting this in travel thread but worth mentioning here

Valencia region in Spain which includes all of Costa Blanca and the Alicante area introduces curfew tonight until 9th December. Curfew might to 6am. Pubs last orders 11pm. Gatherings limited to 6.

Alcohol sales in offies and supermarkets is not permitted from 10pm to 8am. Still better than Ireland’s liquor laws!

Infection wise the region (similar population to Ireland) is one the best performing regions in Spain.

What’s most interesting about it is the justification. Government wants to avoid any type of lockdown unless absolutely necessary. The official document goes in to great details to highlight the problem areas by age group and social activity. We see nothing like this in Ireland where decisions are made, bar summary by country.

Could ireland not have considered something similar?

Curfews and face masks outside? No, thank you.

faceman · 24-10-2020 04:48PM

KindOfIrish wrote: »

Curfews and face masks outside? No, thank you.

You prefer level 5 lockdown instead?

niallo27 · 24-10-2020 04:53PM

faceman wrote: »

Posting this in travel thread but worth mentioning here

Valencia region in Spain which includes all of Costa Blanca and the Alicante area introduces curfew tonight until 9th December. Curfew might to 6am. Pubs last orders 11pm. Gatherings limited to 6.

Alcohol sales in offies and supermarkets is not permitted from 10pm to 8am. Still better than Ireland’s liquor laws!

Infection wise the region (similar population to Ireland) is one the best performing regions in Spain.

What’s most interesting about it is the justification. Government wants to avoid any type of lockdown unless absolutely necessary. The official document goes in to great details to highlight the problem areas by age group and social activity. We see nothing like this in Ireland where decisions are made, bar summary by country.

Could ireland not have considered something similar?

That's our level 2.

niallo27 · 24-10-2020 04:53PM

KindOfIrish wrote: »

Curfews and face masks outside? No, thank you.

What's the issue with curfews, there is **** all to do anyway.

KindOfIrish · 24-10-2020 04:55PM

faceman wrote: »

You prefer level 5 lockdown instead?

I am against any levels of lockdown. I'm supporting Sweden way of fighting the virus. Nonetheless, if i had to make a choice between Spanish Covid policy and Irish, I would choose Irish no questions.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings