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Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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  • #3212
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,143 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    manniot2 wrote: »
    Tony cervical on the late late again tomorrow. Get me the sick bucket.

    Don't watch it, boycott it.


  • #3213
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Neffett

    The Nphet. It’s not a standalone entity but a specific group formed for a specific function


  • #3214
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    US2 wrote: »
    In April the WHO and Dr Tony told us not to wear masks.

    If masks work why is retail forced to close ?

    If masks don't work why are we forced to wear them?
    Boggles wrote: »
    So we are back to April.

    Listen, I can't compete with whatever fúcking lunatics you choose to populate your twitter or youtube feed with.

    So I'm not going, if that's okay.
    US2 wrote: »
    So you can't answer the question atall.

    What's Twitter and YouTube got to do with the questions I asked ?

    If masks work why have shops been forced to close ?
    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Actually, I'd like to hear an official answer to that question too. If they are of much use at all, then you could have retail open without much risk as people don't hang around for a significant amount of time. So if they are closing retail, it would suggest that they don't think masks are preventing spread. No?

    I get masks in closed environments for long periods of time. But US2's question is valid imo.
    Boggles wrote: »
    You'll be waiting, there is no one here that posts on an official capacity.

    Being pedantic, but still not able to offer a shred of a helpful response I see to this question.


  • #3215
    Limpy
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭Limpy


    My prediction is school's won't go back after midterm and Numbers will largely stay the same.


  • #3216
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Went out for a jog this afternoon and part of my jog took me past loads of kids walking home from school.

    None of them gave a toss about social distancing or wearing masks.

    Now I know you can say that they were in school together, but I spent a lot of years walking home or to the shops after school with friends from different classes, different years or even people from my class that I didn't sit near.

    A six figure number of people put out of a job for what looks like will bring very little difference.

    Who do NPHET and FFFG and the Greens blame then?

    Why would they wear masks walking home from school


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  • #3217
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Compare the numbers posting here now to the first day after lockdown in March

    Nobody cares anymore

    Yeah you could miss 100 pages in 15 mins back then

    Think its gonna pick up soon though

    Europe is starting to burn, will be a fire soon

    Lombardy Italy situation will happen in some places


  • #3218
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Seamai wrote: »
    That's frightening, three quarters of the French population are under curfew from 9pm tonight.

    The curfew came in last week I think.


  • #3219
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    saabsaab wrote: »
    There was a report in June that DNA analysis was being done to determine the origins of the virus within Ireland. (Cillian De Gascun?) Said it would be useful in a second wave. Has there been any further news on this?

    https://twitter.com/elaneyk1/status/1318894227208736768?s=19

    Apparently there has been a pilot study on genome sequencing of the virus in Ireland in various populations.
    It'll probably be a while before the data is published.

    It would be useful to look at clusters in settings like schools and then determining whether they are all from the same strain or whether they were inflected in other settings. These variations may provide insight as to whether asymptomatic cases are from a different strain to those who become ill etc.


  • #3220
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/elaneyk1/status/1318894227208736768?s=19

    Apparently there has been a pilot study on genome sequencing of the virus in Ireland in various populations.
    It'll probably be a while before the data is punished.

    It would be useful to look at clusters in settings like schools and then determining whether they are all from the same strain or whether they were inflected in other settings. These variations may provide insight as to whether asymptomatic cases are from a different strain to those who become ill etc.

    Freudian slip.


  • #3221
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,411 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Compare the numbers posting here now to the first day after lockdown in March

    Nobody cares anymore

    Or perhaps they are tired of the same old stuff being posted, or the constant bickering between diametrically opposed camps that drowns out any middle ground.

    Plus, I think people still care but are bone weary of the constant coverage dragging their spirits down.


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  • #3222
    manniot2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭manniot2


    Fair play to Michael Mcnamara. Some speech in the dail today. Lockdown strategy is to “Absolve the state of its failures rather than give any incentive for the state to do something”


  • #3223
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    So the latest angle is the lockdown isn't strict enough and it's being written off before it even starts!

    Some people are hard to please......


  • #3224
    brookers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭brookers


    Limpy wrote: »
    Bhastard... I mean that in a good way. Fair play.

    Great people....life too short, if you pensioners and have the dosh, get the hell out.....


  • #3225
    manniot2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭manniot2


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    So the latest angle is the lockdown isn't strict enough and it's being written off before it even starts!

    Some people are hard to please......

    Could we ship all these people off to China? They would love it there.


  • #3226
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Almost every US states seeing large increases in cases..it must be a seasonal virus, it's just too much of a coincidence that most of the Northern Hemisphere even central Asian countries are all experiecing massive increases since Autumn began, with cases reducing massively in southern hemisphere at almost the exact same time


  • #3227
    Ohmeha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭Ohmeha


    Dublin 14 Day LEA incidence numbers published today for 6th October to 19th October. Only 6 out of 31 LEA's saw a decline in cases confirming Level 3 was unsuccessful in cancelling out growth in Dublin. Socio-economic trend continues to be evident in the city and areas already with the highest incidence mostly showing increased growth compared to lower incidence areas


    LEA Date Range Cases Increase LEA per 100k ROI per 100k Population
    BALLYMUN-FINGLAS LEA-6, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 251 73.10% 456.3 279.3 55,010
    PALMERSTOWN-FONTHILL LEA-5, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 147 98.65% 386.5 279.3 38,035
    ARTANE-WHITEHALL LEA-6, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 194 41.61% 379.2 279.3 51,156
    CLONDALKIN LEA-7, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 170 50.44% 365.4 279.3 46,520
    BLANCHARDSTOWN-MULHUDDART LEA-5, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 125 56.25% 354.0 279.3 35,307
    LUCAN LEA-5, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 114 48.05% 341.1 279.3 33,421
    BALLYFERMOT-DRIMNAGH LEA-5, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 150 4.90% 325.6 279.3 46,068
    TALLAGHT SOUTH LEA-5, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 104 44.44% 293.2 279.3 35,465
    ONGAR LEA-5, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 102 10.87% 284.6 279.3 35,834
    CABRA-GLASNEVIN LEA-7, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 149 34.23% 254.0 279.3 58,652
    CASTLEKNOCK LEA-6, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 116 54.67% 251.5 279.3 46,126
    SWORDS LEA-7, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 128 26.73% 249.2 279.3 51,370
    FIRHOUSE-BOHERNABREENA LEA-5, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 85 34.92% 248.5 279.3 34,202
    KIMMAGE-RATHMINES LEA-6, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 136 -2.16% 243.5 279.3 55,861
    SOUTH WEST INNER CITY LEA-5, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 99 26.92% 233.8 279.3 42,344
    NORTH INNER CITY LEA-7, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 131 -3.68% 205.9 279.3 63,612
    HOWTH-MALAHIDE LEA-7, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 115 23.66% 204.8 279.3 56,139
    PEMBROKE LEA-5, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 86 62.26% 189.1 279.3 45,473
    TALLAGHT CENTRAL LEA-6, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 80 31.15% 185.1 279.3 43,215
    SOUTH EAST INNER CITY LEA-5, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 75 27.12% 184.7 279.3 40,603
    RATHFARNHAM-TEMPLEOGUE LEA-7, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 87 35.94% 181.6 279.3 47,909
    DONAGHMEDE LEA-5, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 69 7.81% 165.9 279.3 41,593
    BALBRIGGAN LEA-5, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 58 65.71% 158.6 279.3 36,570
    RUSH-LUSK LEA-5, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 54 92.86% 155.7 279.3 34,674
    STILLORGAN LEA-6, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 42 61.54% 137.7 279.3 30,508
    CLONTARF LEA-6, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 74 27.59% 136.6 279.3 54,182
    BLACKROCK LEA-6, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 39 85.71% 115.6 279.3 33,727
    KILLINEY-SHANKILL LEA-7, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 40 -6.98% 105.0 279.3 38,082
    DUNDRUM LEA-7, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 38 -11.63% 101.5 279.3 37,452
    DÚN LAOGHAIRE LEA-7, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 37 -13.95% 88.9 279.3 41,627
    GLENCULLEN-SANDYFORD LEA-7, DUBLIN 06/10/20 to 19/10/20 28 -20.00% 76.5 279.3 36,622


  • #3228
    manniot2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭manniot2


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Almost every US states seeing large increases in cases..it must be a seasonal virus, it's just too much of a coincidence that most of the Northern Hemisphere even central Asian countries are all experiecing massive increases since Autumn began, with cases reducing massively in southern hemisphere at almost the exact same time

    Not at all, it’s Trumps fault.


  • #3229
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Being pedantic, but still not able to offer a shred of a helpful response I see to this question.

    Work vs Don't work is not a binary question.

    It's more do masks reduce risk.

    So if I'm 2 metres away from you and you have covid and you are infectious and you breath in my direction as you tllk. You spray out particles of virus that travels in water droplets.

    The mask will catch some of these droplets while other droplets pass through the mask in my direction.

    So for the sake of argument let's say you are throwing out 20 droplets seeded with the virus every second and 5 are caught by the mask. By you wearing the mask you are reducing the risk of infecting me by a qaurter. Im also wearing a mask but if the mask catch the viral droplets I'm likely to mess up and touch the mask and catch the virus from hand to mouth anyway so wearing a mask doesn't protect me much.

    So 100% of the population wearing a mask in all settings might reduce the unmitigated R0 figure from 5(per Nolan in today's press briefing) to 3.75 (made up figure based on my suggestion that a mask catches a quarter of droplets. The real figure is different).

    Wearing a mask will help but it doesn't bring the R0 below 1. Especially since many people refuse to wear masks properly. We need additional measures like those introduced in level 5.

    So do masks work? Well obviously it doesn't prevent transmission but instead reduce the amount of transmission. This is apparently not enough.


  • #3230
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Almost every US states seeing large increases in cases..it must be a seasonal virus, it's just too much of a coincidence that most of the Northern Hemisphere even central Asian countries are all experiecing massive increases since Autumn began, with cases reducing massively in southern hemisphere at almost the exact same time

    It would highly unusual for a respiratory disease not to be seasonal.


  • #3231
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    So the latest angle is the lockdown isn't strict enough and it's being written off before it even starts!

    Some people are hard to please......

    No. What is needed is logic, effectiveness, and a clear plan - all of which are lacking. You either need real, total lockdown with a clear mission to end the virus, or let the economy live and be fair to people. This kind of neither here nor there, we'll do this but only a bit of it, etc. simply creates confusion, it is ineffective, and is damaging to the society as a whole


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  • #3232
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,729 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Antares35 wrote: »
    The curfew came in last week I think.

    It's being widened significantly from tomorrow.


  • #3233
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,161 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/elaneyk1/status/1318894227208736768?s=19

    Apparently there has been a pilot study on genome sequencing of the virus in Ireland in various populations.
    It'll probably be a while before the data is punished.

    It would be useful to look at clusters in settings like schools and then determining whether they are all from the same strain or whether they were inflected in other settings. These variations may provide insight as to whether asymptomatic cases are from a different strain to those who become ill etc.

    New Zealand are already on it.
    5 Oct, 2020 Kiwi scientists have designed a new way to unravel the genomic origins of "tricky" Covid-19 cases, which could shed fresh light on Auckland's August outbreak.

    Genome sequencing creates a "genetic fingerprint" of a virus that has infected a person, and can help public health officials untangle different cases involved in an outbreak through their genetic sequences.

    In New Zealand's first wave of Covid-19, scientists sequenced the genomes of 649 separate cases to reveal nearly 300 different introductions from different parts of the world.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-how-nz-genome-sequencing-just-got-smarter/I5DCDOCJHBRZWDTDEAVZ746WVM/


  • #3234
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Work vs Don't work is not a binary question.

    It's more do masks reduce risk.

    So if I'm 2 metres away from you and you have covid and you are infectious and you breath in my direction as you tllk. You spray out particles of virus that travels in water droplets.

    The mask will catch some of these droplets while other droplets pass through the mask in my direction.

    So for the sake of argument let's say you are throwing out 20 droplets seeded with the virus every second and 5 are caught by the mask. By you wearing the mask you are reducing the risk of infecting me by a qaurter. Im also wearing a mask but if the mask catch the viral droplets I'm likely to mess up and touch the mask and catch the virus from hand to mouth anyway so wearing a mask doesn't protect me much.

    So 100% of the population wearing a mask in all settings might reduce the unmitigated R0 figure from 5(per Nolan in today's press briefing) to 3.75 (made up figure based on my suggestion that a mask catches a quarter of droplets. The real figure is different).

    Wearing a mask will help but it doesn't bring the R0 below 1. Especially since many people refuse to wear masks properly. We need additional measures like those introduced in level 5.

    So do masks work? Well obviously it doesn't prevent transmission but instead reduce the amount of transmission. This is apparently not enough.

    What is more effective? Mask at 1 metre social distance or no mask at 2 metres social distance.


  • #3235
    GazzaL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    Could we not just send NPHET and all the lockdown merchants to isolate in Leitrim and let the rest of us get on with life?


  • #3236
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Don't watch it, boycott it.

    Don't normally watch it but will now. Easy to moan and blame.


  • #3237
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,339 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    If it's good enough for Trump ..

    https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1319381120153210881


  • #3238
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,167 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Why would they wear masks walking home from school

    I'm not saying they should.

    But I would say there'll be a few cases from them chatting to each other for over 20 minutes or so. Not all were walking home of course, some were hanging around.

    Case numbers will likely go up as a result amongst school going ages and then slightly up in their parents' age groups.

    Will give the lockdown crowd on here and in NPHET something to get them hard/wet.


  • #3239
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,729 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Sharp increase in new cases in Germany.

    https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1319382087711875073


  • #3240
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,566 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Dan O'Brien making far too much sense on Prime Time.


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  • #3241
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    GazzaL wrote: »
    Could we not just send NPHET and all the lockdown merchants to isolate in Leitrim and let the rest of us get on with life?

    Weird post of the day.


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