Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Plumbthedepths · 22-10-2020 12:37PM

bennyineire wrote: »

There is a steel frame of a private hospital that was never built in Tullamore, some of you may have seen it as you drive by the town.

The steel structure is still fine, it is right beside the Midlands Regional Hospital. Just off the M6 and in a central location.

Would it not be prudent of the HSE to purchase this site an build a Covid hospital here ? It appears even with vaccines available we sill still need a to deal with Covid so surly this would make a prefect site for it as it is half built already

It would take 40 years to build and a cost of 20 billion , the country will probably be underwater then due to global warming.

Paddygreen · 22-10-2020 12:37PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

There is an area of 78.627 square kilometers within 5 km of your home - loads and loads of room to exercise - enjoy it

It’s so amazo exploring within my permitted exercise circle, done a few laps of Spars car park today, never knew where the wheely bins were kept until today.

Icyseanfitz · 22-10-2020 12:37PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

It's not your exercise. Theres plenty of room for exercise. It's your hobby. Like it or not a lot of us have had to stand down from hobbies.

it is both my only form of exercise and my hobby, so unless the government get real about this lockdown as opposed to the mickey mouse **** they have done ill be continuing it

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 12:39PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

It's not your exercise. Theres plenty of room for exercise. It's your hobby. Like it or not a lot of us have had to stand down from hobbies.

Another why aren't people like me posts. Leave them to it. If there's an issue it will be taken care of at the first checkpoint they meet.

CoronaBlocker · 22-10-2020 12:41PM

mollser wrote: »

Surely if they had the rapid testing in place for health care workers, it would have significantly cut down the nursing home issue? Another piece of remarkable ineptitude by our NPHET / HSE overlords.

How The NPHET are managing to land the government in all sorts of bother, when it is the NPHET and HSE that have responsibility for managing track and trace, testing and protecting the nursing homes, is beyond me. Tony is a political animal, I'll give him that. Criticism all directed at the government (who deserve to take some), but none to NPHET that i've heard in the media yet.

More political than the politicians themselves - you can see at the FF Ard Fheis, can't you? The big FF head on 'im!

Is anyone keeping a list of NPHET/HSE cock-ups here - and those going back before 2020 too? Is there enough paper/hard-drive space for said list?

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 12:44PM

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

More political than the politicians themselves - you can see at the FF Ard Fheis, can't you? The big FF head on 'im!

Is anyone keeping a list of NPHET/HSE cock-ups here - and those going back before 2020 too? Is there enough paper/hard-drive space for said list?

Just for clarity NPHET is a temporary entity which can be set up and dissolved by the MoH. It will go eventually although I think there is a strong case for freshening it up at this point.

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 12:48PM

Retailers gearing themselves up for toilet roll rushes!

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/supermarkets-gear-up-for-winter-lockdown-1.4387419

stephenjmcd · 22-10-2020 12:49PM

nacho libre wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/21/covid-vaccine-immunisation-protection

Have read it and its been discussed a few times over different threads. An opinion piece offering nothing but ifs and buts without efficiency data even being published yet.
Everyone knows(well they should have a good idea) a vaccine wont end covid, it isn't ending, it'll be an endemic, you'll get your vaccine that should (pending efficency data) reduce the impact therefore reducing pressure on hosptials and normal life begins to resume after time (slowly but surely).

Eventually people will have to wrap their heads around it, it might be a vaccine once a year, maybe every few years, we'll find out.

Full thread on vaccine development and testing etc so don't want to railroad this one.

US2 · 22-10-2020 12:51PM

Boggles wrote: »

Is it April again?

In April the WHO and Dr Tony told us not to wear masks.

If masks work why is retail forced to close ?

If masks don't work why are we forced to wear them?

iamwhoiam · 22-10-2020 12:51PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

See that doctor who tweeted about the care home is now on Claire Byrne. The nurse in the care home has been on duty on her own for 73hrs straight.

The nurse and owner have been intouch with the HSE to get help and have beentold there is none available. No relief staff can be sourced is what they have been told

I am a retired nurse and believe me that nurse willl stay a week if she is needed . Its horrendous for her /him and the nurse will start making errors and it wont be her /his fault . Its a disgraceful and awful situation to be left in .

Funsterdelux · 22-10-2020 12:52PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Was stopped at a checkpoint this morning already, I was cycling and the garda was pretty thorough, but quick and friendly. I was fairly chirpy for 7.30am and he looked surprised, it seemed like he'd been getting plenty of grief already.

Did he wear a mask and gloves?

Eod100 · 22-10-2020 12:55PM

This isn't surprising. Essential workers and people travelling for essential reasons still need to use public transport. If there's no enforcement of why people are travelling (how could there be when mask wearing can't or isn't being enforced) then not sure what they expected.

https://twitter.com/sandra_hurley/status/1319244876337287170

Hector Savage · 22-10-2020 12:55PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-india-54630863

Good to see them busy as ever in hospitals, and yes I am aware this is in India but there are countless videos from the UK of doctors and nurses pouncing about making tick tock videos ...

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 12:58PM

Then we have this kind of problem! He's back!

https://twitter.com/Orlaodo/status/1319230279337332736

Boggles · 22-10-2020 01:01PM

US2 wrote: »

In April the WHO and Dr Tony told us not to wear masks.

If masks work why is retail forced to close ?

If masks don't work why are we forced to wear them?

So we are back to April.

Listen, I can't compete with whatever fúcking lunatics you choose to populate your twitter or youtube feed with.

So I'm not going, if that's okay.

Witcher · 22-10-2020 01:02PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Then we have this kind of problem! He's back!

https://twitter.com/Orlaodo/status/1319230279337332736

Lad's like the grim reaper.

nacho libre · 22-10-2020 01:04PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Have read it and its been discussed a few times over different threads. An opinion piece offering nothing but ifs and buts without efficiency data even being published yet.
Everyone knows a vaccine wont end covid, it isn't ending, it'll be an endemic, you'll get your vaccine that should (pending efficency data) reduce the impact therefore reducing pressure on hosptials and normal life begins to resume after time (slowly but surely).

Eventually people will have to wrap their heads around it, it might be a vaccine once a year, maybe every few years, we'll find out.

e.

A considered opinion though based on previous experiences in his field. Your original post was optimistic speculation with not much evidence to support it. Also ,there are lots of people who still believe a vaccine will be a silver bullet, that life will quickly return to normal once we have a vaccine.

patnor1011 · 22-10-2020 01:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So you advocate not taking the vaccine?

There is no vaccine out yet.
When there will be one we will see if it works and what it does. By the time it gets to general public many months will pass and more data will be available.

Sconsey · 22-10-2020 01:08PM

US2 wrote: »

In April the WHO and Dr Tony told us not to wear masks.

It's October and the WHO and Dr Tony are telling us to wear them. You see, more information can lead to better informed decisions, not to mention the fact that there were supply issues for health care workers. You should follow the most recent advice.

If masks work why is retail forced to close ?

If hand washing works why is retail forced to close?

If masks don't work why are we forced to wear them?

Masks do work at reducing the risk of spreading infection. I think you expect them to be a an absolute, they are not, no one with an ounce of sense says they are. The only people pushing that are the anti-mask people.

22-10-2020 01:09PM

Sorry if posted already but it is sickening that so many people are just refusing to cooperate with contact tracing:

"Individual calls are taking three and four times as long as they should, because the traced are arguing the toss with their HSE trackers.
And it’s all down to patient privacy and GDPR, that unparalleled refuge of the jobsworth and busybody.
The EU’s data protection regulation, coupled with medical confidentiality, prevents the HSE from identifying the person who has developed Covid when they call close contacts.
This leads to those being called demanding to know who ‘Patient X’ may be, and launching into long rationales about why they need to know the name – so they can form their own judgement about how extensive their contact with that person has been.
The callers then reply that they can’t discuss or disclose the name, but would like you to make an appointment with a GP for a test, and did we mention that you should already be self-isolating?
Very few, however, want to immediately shut down their lives on the basis of an anonymous say-so, so the argument – and bargaining – rages over the phone.
It’s resulting in people declining to co-operate with the recommendation, and going about their business as usual – yet the associate is still marked as having been traced, even if zero benefit to that person or the rest of society comes from it.
But it is also massively extending the duration of phone calls, meaning fewer can be fitted into the working day.
With 400 people at work on tracing, and even 1,000 people testing positive on a given day, and these having five close contracts apiece, the numbers come to 5,000 divided by 400, or just over 12 calls to be made daily. Even if it were twice that number, or even four times that number, it should be manageable in an eight-hour day, should it not?
But no. Calls are long, and their argumentative or even intemperate nature may be feeding into people not wanting to work in tracing, with all the compounding problems that creates.
Many OTs (occupational therapists), physios and others drafted in from the general health service at the height of the crisis have been just gagging to get back to their original jobs, and were out the door as soon as non-Covid treatment began to be restored."
https://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/how-perfect-storm-of-patient-privacy-long-phone-calls-and-recruitment-issues-is-causing-our-contact-tracing-system-to-fail-39652227.html

political analyst · 22-10-2020 01:11PM

Given that no visits are allowed and that staff are wearing PPE, how did the virus get into the Galway nursing home? The virus didn't just jump in all by itself.

manniot2 · 22-10-2020 01:13PM

political analyst wrote: »

Given that no visits are allowed and that staff are wearing PPE, how did the virus get into the Galway nursing home? The virus didn't just jump in all by itself.

Because we are wasting our time locking up healthy people instead of focusing on the vulnerable. Crazy.

US2 · 22-10-2020 01:17PM

Boggles wrote: »

So we are back to April.

Listen, I can't compete with whatever fúcking lunatics you choose to populate your twitter or youtube feed with.

So I'm not going, if that's okay.

So you can't answer the question atall.

What's Twitter and YouTube got to do with the questions I asked ?

If masks work why have shops been forced to close ?

US2 · 22-10-2020 01:18PM

Sconsey wrote: »

It's October and the WHO and Dr Tony are telling us to wear them. You see, more information can lead to better informed decisions, not to mention the fact that there were supply issues for health care workers. You should follow the most recent advice.

If hand washing works why is retail forced to close?

Masks do work at reducing the risk of spreading infection. I think you expect them to be a an absolute, they are not, no one with an ounce of sense says they are. The only people pushing that are the anti-mask people.

I'm not anti mask I'm anti safe businesses being forced to close.

Turtwig · 22-10-2020 01:18PM

political analyst wrote: »

Given that no visits are allowed and that staff are wearing PPE, how did the virus get into the Galway nursing home? The virus didn't just jump in all by itself.

Not the time really but it'll be an interesting case study. Especially if they had stringent infection control measures. Nothing is 100% they could have just got very unlucky: Tainted parcel, compassionate visitor exemption, staff member compromised etc. we could speculate all day. We might never know too. The sad thing is once the virus becomes prevalent in the community this sort of thing becomes inevitable. The virus only needs to succeed once.

greenheep · 22-10-2020 01:19PM

Did anyone hear George Lee's report on the 1 o'clock news about the tracing fiasco? He said we shouldn't "throw anyone out the window" for this because they are under huge pressure and any country would have struggled with such numbers.

Emm, shouldn't his job be to ask the tough questions and hold the government/hse to account rather than be making excuses for them?

Paddygreen · 22-10-2020 01:20PM

US2 wrote: »

In April the WHO and Dr Tony told us not to wear masks.

If masks work why is retail forced to close ?

If masks don't work why are we forced to wear them?

People have to be trained to comply with the authorities of course, for the greater good, the science is settled. Mandatory masks today, mandatory vaccines and health passports tomorrow. Thankfully with the rollout of UBI in the pipeline for next year it will be possible to make people comply even further under threat of financial penalties, a bit like the Chinese social credit system that works so well.

Away With The Fairies · 22-10-2020 01:21PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Then we have this kind of problem! He's back!

https://twitter.com/Orlaodo/status/1319230279337332736

I think he came back in September for the movie that they were making.

Cluedo Monopoly · 22-10-2020 01:21PM

greenheep wrote: »

Did anyone hear George Lee's report on the 1 o'clock news about the tracing fiasco? He said we shouldn't "throw anyone out the window" for this because they are under huge pressure and any country would have struggled with such numbers.

Emm, shouldn't his job be to ask the tough questions and hold the government/hse to account rather than be making excuses for them?

They failed at the first 2nd wave hurdle. They knew it was coming.
They failed in October. No planning. No contingency.
Why have they got all these prediction models if they cant even grasp the impacts?

weldoninhio · 22-10-2020 01:22PM

US2 wrote: »

So you can't answer the question atall.

What's Twitter and YouTube got to do with the questions I asked ?

If masks work why have shops been forced to close ?

You won’t get an answer. Just more abuse for daring to question your betters. Same with buses. Carnage this morning apparently with essential workers left waiting for hours, while a double decker can take 17 passengers and a single decker can only take 10.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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