Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Captain_Crash · 22-10-2020 04:17PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Are subsequent waves not considered a part of the pandemic?

So the matter as a whole could be referred to the Covid Pandemic and it would be fair to say that we are still in it, but its like calling any stretched car a Limo, everyone knows and agrees with what you mean but technically only a limo is a limo, ya get me? bad analogy maybe!

Wiki states the pandemic is ongoing, and you couldn't dispute that per se. But by WHO parameters, it isn't. That's not to say those parameters wont be reached again however. Interestingly, when the WHO declare a pandemic, it requires member nations to activate certain purchasing obligations for medical equipment, medicines, vaccinations etc. A lot of money involved in pandemics.

walus · 22-10-2020 04:20PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

What is essential about lifting weights? If I don’t eat I will starve, if a pipe bursts it has to be fixed or my house could flood, if my car breaks down it has to be fixed or I can’t go anywhere but it’s over a decade since the last time I laid hands on a bench press (and even at that it was only a few visits as it was free) and I’m surviving just fine. Gyms are not essential simple as that.

You see nox what is essential and not depends largely on the timeframe considered. Just like food is not essential in the next hour, it becomes within the next 12h. Same goes for gyms and any other things that short term, yes could deemed non-essential, but long term they are very, very important. I would have thought that an R&D powerhouse such as you would have figured this out on the spot.
This virus is a long term problem and needs to be dealt with by a long term strategy. Period.

Edit: the government opted for a short term strategy and found itself in a need of stretching it. Unfortunately they did not factor in human psychology and behaviour while doing so, things that are fundamental in long term planning of dealing with a pandemic such as this. They botched it. Simple as.

Rrrrrr2 · 22-10-2020 04:25PM

polesheep wrote: »

What a wonderful woman, at 83 years of age, thinking of the young people coming after her.

I can tell you that’s a very widely held view too. Older people aren’t the stupid, to be wrapped in cotton wool victims so many pro lockdowners like to frame them as. They’re pretty sick of the endless patronising and being tagged as “vulnerable” too

dalyboy · 22-10-2020 04:29PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Are subsequent waves not considered a part of the pandemic?

According to recent incidents graphs (7-8 months ago) this isn’t even an epidemic anymore .

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PRu6Mgb49Uk

Just a complete gombeen response. Wtf are we doing going back to March lockdown levels after viewing this data ?

Wanderer78 · 22-10-2020 04:38PM

dalyboy wrote:

Just a complete gombeen response. Wtf are we doing going back to March lockdown levels after viewing this data ?

Its clearly obvious our health care system doesn't have the capacity to deal with this surge, lockdown is a no brainer

Captain_Crash · 22-10-2020 04:45PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Its clearly obvious our health care system doesn't have the capacity to deal with this surge, lockdown is a no brainer

And you really have to ask what in the blue f**k were the government doing for the past 8 months.... Having said in March we need to lock down to "buy time for the HSE to increase capacity".

I can remember a scandal and a TD caught sleeping, so atleast we have some consistency eh haha!

SAMTALK · 22-10-2020 04:46PM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

I can tell you that’s a very widely held view too. Older people aren’t the stupid, to be wrapped in cotton wool victims so many pro lockdowners like to frame them as. They’re pretty sick of the endless patronising and being tagged as “vulnerable” too

And you know this from talking to all the elderly ?

No one said they were stupid and to be fair I thing Pro lockdowners is downright insulting

No one wants a lockdown for the fun of it ,(you can be against lockdown and want to mind the elderly ). You do know people think protecting the elderly is the right thing to do without being patronising

People are sick of being called sheep, easily led brainwashed etc as well just because they are following the recommendations

topper75 · 22-10-2020 04:47PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Its clearly obvious our health care system doesn't have the capacity to deal with this surge, lockdown is a no brainer

Wait - weren't we overrun on a number of previous winters? But no lockdowns?

Wanderer78 · 22-10-2020 04:47PM

Captain_Crash wrote:

And you really have to ask what in the blue f**k were the government doing for the past 8 months.... Having said in March we need to lock down to "buy time for the HSE to increase capacity".

Government has had limited ability to increase capacity over the last few months, our capacity issues are legacy issues, and can be linked back to austerity measures from the previous crash, and probably beyond tbh

Wanderer78 · 22-10-2020 04:50PM

topper75 wrote:

Wait - weren't we overrun on a number of previous winters? But no lockdowns?

As far as I'm aware, this is covids first winter, happy winter covid!

Captain_Crash · 22-10-2020 04:52PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Government has had limited ability to increase capacity over the last few months, our capacity issues are legacy issues, and can be linked back to austerity measures from the previous crash, and probably beyond tbh

Couldnt agree more, and many of the very same people who caused those legacy issues are now entrusted in resolving them during this. Whats changed between this year and the last decade that would give you confidence that NPHET/HSE/Govermnet are capable of doing what they tell us they are doing?

Tony H caused one of the biggest health scandals this country has ever seen, that resulted in numerous deaths... and now he's in charge of this response! I think we can all agree that is astonishing!

FintanMcluskey · 22-10-2020 04:54PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

And you really have to ask what in the blue f**k were the government doing for the past 8 months.... Having said in March we need to lock down to "buy time for the HSE to increase capacity".

I can remember a scandal and a TD caught sleeping, so atleast we have some consistency eh haha!

Didn’t the standard holiday take place this Summer for the Dáil, or at least a month long one?

Not long after it took months to form a government?

In the middle of a crisis?

They are fairly taking us for an electorate of clowns

martingriff · 22-10-2020 04:54PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Government has had limited ability to increase capacity over the last few months, our capacity issues are legacy issues, and can be linked back to austerity measures from the previous crash, and probably beyond tbh

Oh come the HSE is one of the biggest in having money from the Government and even have to go back for more before a year is out. What the hell are they doing with it. They knew the virus was still here and made sure they were prepared. It was not like it was happening overnight. I am nor blaming then exclusively for where we are, except for the contact tracing fiasco. Michael may not have known (for deniability maybe) but Donnelly I don't believe for 2 seconds (neither does his fellow TD's he did not know.

Captain_Crash · 22-10-2020 04:55PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

As far as I'm aware, this is covids first winter, happy winter covid!

Its a fair point to say covid is mostly killing people who likely would have died of flu, pneumonia etc had they caught it. We're on course to have less respiratory deaths this year that 2018 and 2017. My bet is in a few years it will just be another seasonal illness that's fighting for business with the rest of them.

Wanderer78 · 22-10-2020 04:56PM

Captain_Crash wrote:

Tony H caused one of the biggest health scandals this country has ever seen, that resulted in numerous deaths... and now he's in charge of this response! I think we can all agree that is astonishing!

I actually think he's doing a bloody good job on this one, I certainly wouldnâ€™t like his job, and he ain't backing down either, I'd say it's tough to deal with government at the best of times

Captain_Crash · 22-10-2020 04:56PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Didn’t the standard holiday take place this Summer for the Dáil, or at least a month long one?

Not long after it took months to form a government?

In the middle of a crisis?

They are fairly taking us for an electorate of clowns

Don't forget they made time to pass the payrise proposal.

martingriff · 22-10-2020 04:58PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Its a fair point to say covid is mostly killing people who likely would have died of flu, pneumonia etc had they caught it. We're on course to have less respiratory deaths this year that 2018 and 2017. My bet is in a few years it will just be another seasonal illness that's fighting for business with the rest of them.

The 2 worst outcomes of a vaccine will be it will less the seriousness to those who can die so the amount will go down more or it will become a yearly jab you get like the flu vaccine

KennisWhale · 22-10-2020 04:58PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I actually think he's doing a bloody good job on this one, I certainly wouldn’t like his job, and he ain't backing down either, I'd say it's tough to deal with government at the best of times

He stepped aside from the role for a number of months in the midst of a pandemic. This is not professional, he should not have come back as the CMO but as a support to the replacement CMO. Especially if this is as big a crisis as is made out to be, the CMO would be a pretty important role.

Wanderer78 · 22-10-2020 04:58PM

martingriff wrote:

Oh come the HSE is one of the biggest in having money from the Government and even have to go back for more before a year is out. What the hell are they doing with it. They knew the virus was still here and made sure they were prepared. It was not like it was happening overnight. I am nor blaming then exclusively for where we are, except for the contact tracing fiasco. Michael may not have known (for deniability maybe) but Donnelly I don't believe for 2 seconds (neither does his fellow TD's he did not know.

Health care system are astonishingly complicated beasts, most around the world are struggling with this one, but ours seems to be growing sh1t year on year, and it's not all the fault of the public sector, private sector involvement is also causing problems with it

Captain_Crash · 22-10-2020 04:59PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I actually think he's doing a bloody good job on this one, I certainly wouldn’t like his job, and he ain't backing down either, I'd say it's tough to deal with government at the best of times

We'll have to agree to disagree on that. I think he's been a shambles and a huge cause of the issues we are seeing. Although, I wouldn't like his job either I'll admit that.

For me its telling how calmer things were during the few months Glynn was in the hot seat, he has his issues too but there seemed to be a consistent line being trotted out and NPHET and Gov seemed to be on the same page.

snotboogie · 22-10-2020 05:00PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Its a fair point to say covid is mostly killing people who likely would have died of flu, pneumonia etc had they caught it. We're on course to have less respiratory deaths this year that 2018 and 2017. My bet is in a few years it will just be another seasonal illness that's fighting for business with the rest of them.

Where are you getting the 2017 and 2018 numbers from?

Captain_Crash · 22-10-2020 05:02PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Where are you getting the 2017 and 2018 numbers from?

They are published on the HSPC website. I'll dig them out when I get a chance.

weldoninhio · 22-10-2020 05:03PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I actually think he's doing a bloody good job on this one, I certainly wouldnâ€™t like his job, and he ain't backing down either, I'd say it's tough to deal with government at the best of times

His brass neck and lack of conscience would make it a lot easier to deal with them. Bloody good job? He forced nursing homes into reopening to visitors at the start of this mess. He has blood on his hands, not for the first time.

Wanderer78 · 22-10-2020 05:04PM

KennisWhale wrote:

He stepped aside from the role for a number of months in the midst of a pandemic. This is not professional, he should not have come back as the CMO but as a support to the replacement CMO. Especially if this is as big a crisis as is made out to be, the CMO would be a pretty important role.

Have you ever experienced a loved one going through cancer treatment?

Wanderer78 · 22-10-2020 05:07PM

weldoninhio wrote:

His brass neck and lack of conscience would make it a lot easier to deal with them. Bloody good job? He forced nursing homes into reopening to visitors at the start of this mess. He has blood on his hands, not for the first time.

Was this ultimately his decision?

polesheep · 22-10-2020 05:10PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Castlebar, Mayo , recorded 25 on trolleys in a and E and 9 more waiting outside wards a couple of weeks ago

They are saying people are scared to attend for fear of catching covid.. and that beds were cleared faster than usual to stepdown care,

When I was airlifted a few weeks ago, we were met by staff intent on sending me to an isolation unit as they had learned I had a high temp. The pilot toldthem where I came from, ie a covid free then quarantined island so that cleared that.

But a and e was very very quiet that day .

And yet on another thread you want doctors and nurses to work for the state to pay off their training. Me feinism at its finest.

22-10-2020 05:11PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Pick a shop that is on your route - Aldi, Evergreen, Lidl, Dunnes, Fruit&Veg market, Fishmongers, Bakery, Chinese takeaway, Indian takeaway, particular Chemist, Carphone Warehouse, B&Q, Woodies. They are not going to check.

In the last lockdown there were some people turned around at checkpoints between where we live and Galway city and told to shop in the local town rather than going to the city. Now it didn’t happen to us but it happened enough that word got around.

Cluedo Monopoly · 22-10-2020 05:18PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

In the last lockdown there were some people turned around at checkpoints between where we live and Galway city and told to shop in the local town rather than going to the city. Now it didn’t happen to us but it happened enough that word got around.

I am in Galway and that never happened to me. I crossed the county at least once a week to shop for elderly relatives and only got stopped twice. Said I was shopping and no questions asked.

If I was living in Maam Cross I know I could get into Galway no problem at all even though I pass a Supervalu, Centra and Joyces in Oughterard and Moycullen.
I could give them any amount of excuses e.g. 'I want to go to Aldi', 'I want to get special gluten free food in Dunnes', 'My pharmacist is in Westside' or 'I am shopping for my elderly mother in Caltra'.

KennisWhale · 22-10-2020 05:23PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Have you ever experienced a loved one going through cancer treatment?

Yes.

I am not CMO in a pandemic - literally the worst case scenario for his job. Why not just step aside fully instead of taking a leave of absence in the midst of the crisis? It is not professional on his part to skip out in a crisis and waltz back in, having missed a key number of months.

Captain_Crash · 22-10-2020 05:30PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Was this ultimately his decision?

He didn't/doesn't have the authority to actually prevent the banning visitors,i.e. its not his call. However, he advised them not to take that action saying it wasn't necessary. Following this and citing his advice, the NHI reversed its decision and didn't ban visitors.

We know what happened next.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings