Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

22-10-2020 10:55AM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Do you know that not everybody goes to the gym to saunter around on a treadmill for an hour? I must have missed all these squat racks, bench presses etc out in the wild.

What is essential about lifting weights? If I don’t eat I will starve, if a pipe bursts it has to be fixed or my house could flood, if my car breaks down it has to be fixed or I can’t go anywhere but it’s over a decade since the last time I laid hands on a bench press (and even at that it was only a few visits as it was free) and I’m surviving just fine. Gyms are not essential simple as that.

Cluedo Monopoly · 22-10-2020 10:55AM

average_runner wrote: »

Nothing stopping people from exercising out in the fresh air. Its actually better for you and a harder work out, which will make you fitter

I actually look forward to night running in the cold fresh air. With a good head torch and the right clothes you are sorted.
I'll run the roads and the forests and occasionally hit the mountains.
I will be fit as a fiddle when hurling starts again in March!

SAMTALK · 22-10-2020 11:01AM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Do you know that not everybody goes to the gym to saunter around on a treadmill for an hour? I must have missed all these squat racks, bench presses etc out in the wild.

I think most people get that but this is about adjusting to what is available and what is not

Everyone has had changes in their everyday routines but we have to adapt and find different things to do to occupy ourselves

Whatsisname · 22-10-2020 11:02AM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

What is essential about lifting weights? If I don’t eat I will starve, if a pipe bursts it has to be fixed or my house could flood, if my car breaks down it has to be fixed or I can’t go anywhere but it’s over a decade since the last time I laid hands on a bench press (and even at that it was only a few visits as it was free) and I’m surviving just fine. Gyms are not essential simple as that.

Whats essential to me mightn't be essential to you. It's crazy living in a world where people have different opinions and needs Nox, you should think about it sometime.

KennisWhale · 22-10-2020 11:09AM

SAMTALK wrote: »

Imbeciles ? Because they dont agree with you

I live in the country and obviously with the dark evenings it's hard to get outside

i have an excercise bike, treadmill, mat and videos to do workouts.

Why should gyms be open for mental health reasons ?

What about people who do other things for mental health reasons.
The mental health card is being overplayed with the gyms to be honest.

Everyone has something that keeps them going but have to make sacrifices during these 6 weeks

Mental health? How about physical health. Not all of us live in country manors with lots of space for home gyms. City dwellers living in cramped apartments do not have the space to store exercise equipment. Your ignorance comes from your lack of experience of a gym clearly.

I am talking about the physical impact of gyms. If they are banned, fags and booze should be banned at the same time - unless you want to BS me that fags and booze are good for mental health?

facehugger99 · 22-10-2020 11:09AM

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1022/1173108-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness/

RTE get around to reporting on what many here have been saying for months.

The 'lockdown and wait for a vaccine strategy' is cowardly, disingenuous and dangerous.

The 10's of billions (and counting) being pissed away, the hundreds of thousands of jobs and the hundreds of viable businesses sacrificed over a virus that poses almost zero risk to the vast, vast majority is truly shameful.

hynesie08 · 22-10-2020 11:14AM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

What is essential about lifting weights? If I don’t eat I will starve, if a pipe bursts it has to be fixed or my house could flood, if my car breaks down it has to be fixed or I can’t go anywhere but it’s over a decade since the last time I laid hands on a bench press (and even at that it was only a few visits as it was free) and I’m surviving just fine. Gyms are not essential simple as that.

I haven't driven in over a decade, therefore because it doesn't effect me, cars are not essential......

Simple as that.....

SAMTALK · 22-10-2020 11:16AM

KennisWhale wrote: »

Mental health? How about physical health. Not all of us live in country manors with lots of space for home gyms. City dwellers living in cramped apartments do not have the space to store exercise equipment. Your ignorance comes from your lack of experience of a gym clearly.

I am talking about the physical impact of gyms. If they are banned, fags and booze should be banned at the same time - unless you want to BS me that fags and booze are good for mental health?

Country manor

You're very touchy. My point is we have to adapt. Ok if you dont have room surely you have a space for a mat and do video workout ?

All our lives have been impacted but this

facehugger99 · 22-10-2020 11:17AM

hynesie08 wrote: »

I haven't driven in over a decade, therefore because it doesn't effect me, cars are not essential......

Simple as that.....

How would Nox get himself home after a few pints?

hynesie08 · 22-10-2020 11:20AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

How would Nox get himself home after a few pints?

Same thing he's suggesting, a good pair of running shoes.......

thebaz · 22-10-2020 11:23AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1022/1173108-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness/

RTE get around to reporting on what many here have been saying for months.

The 'lockdown and wait for a vaccine strategy' is cowardly, disingenuous and dangerous.

The 10's of billions (and counting) being pissed away, the hundreds of thousands of jobs and the hundreds of viable businesses sacrificed over a virus that poses almost zero risk to the vast, vast majority is truly shameful.

Yeah ther is the assumption that once we get a vaccine that we can then get our Lives back, but I have no doubt for a couple of years after that NPHET will be trotting out ther mantra of more Lockdowns, maybe less severe , then probably a new virus will emerge something a lot more fatal than this one , then we will be really ****ed - we have no idea of how to live with this virus , the people that created our health service that gets over-burdened every winter regardless , thats the real problem - and they are dictating our lives now - really depressing like sleep-walking into a never-ending dictatorship.

KennisWhale · 22-10-2020 11:25AM

SAMTALK wrote: »

Country manor

You're very touchy. My point is we have to adapt. Ok if you dont have room surely you have a space for a mat and do video workout ?

All our lives have been impacted but this

Some lives are more impacted than others.

SAMTALK · 22-10-2020 11:38AM

KennisWhale wrote: »

Some lives are more impacted than others.

Absolutely , but you have to agree that gyms closing has to be down the list

KennisWhale · 22-10-2020 11:40AM

SAMTALK wrote: »

Absolutely , but you have to agree that gyms closing has to be down the list

I cannot agree. The risk factors associated with gyms, implementing their hygiene and social distancing requirements, individual training etc. combined with the health benefits far outweigh the negatives (I still have not seen evidence they have contributed to the increased cases in Ireland). Considering herd immunity is the aim of the game, aided by a vaccine, then surely those that are keeping themselves healthy are in the lower covid risk category so should be allowed to get on with things (as the schools are allowed to get on with it despite no social distancing whatsoever).

Why are alcohol and fags not banned if gyms are closed? They cause far greater issues to society than covid ever will.

SAMTALK · 22-10-2020 11:43AM

KennisWhale wrote: »

I cannot agree. The risk factors associated with gyms, implementing their hygiene and social distancing requirements, individual training etc. combined with the health benefits far outweigh the negatives (I still have not seen evidence they have contributed to the increased cases in Ireland).

Why are alcohol and fags not banned if gyms are closed? They cause far greater issues to society than covid ever will.

I have never said they have contributed to cases at all

What i have an issue with is people saying about the mental / physical impact and my point still stands. Adjust. Find something else. Everyone has to make sacrifices

The drink / fags issue is for another discussion

22-10-2020 11:47AM

KennisWhale wrote: »

I am talking about the physical impact of gyms. If they are banned, fags and booze should be banned at the same time - unless you want to BS me that fags and booze are good for mental health?

But people are for the most part consuming fags and booze in their own homes. It would be like banning people from exercising on their home gym equipment or banning people from running outside. Pubs are closed which is the comparison that should be made.

As for mental health, beer as certainly made this year far easier to get though for me.

hynesie08 wrote: »

I haven't driven in over a decade, therefore because it doesn't effect me, cars are not essential......

Simple as that.....

Idiotic attempt at an analogy. Gyms are essential for nobody, there is no argument that can be made that they are. Cars are essential for most people and that also cannot be argued.

hynesie08 · 22-10-2020 11:52AM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

But people are for the most part consuming fags and booze in their own homes. It would be like banning people from exercising on their home gym equipment or banning people from running outside. Pubs are closed which is the comparison that should be made.

As for mental health, beer as certainly made this year far easier to get though for me.

Idiotic attempt at an analogy. Gyms are essential for nobody, there is no argument that can be made that they are. Cars are essential for most people and that also cannot be argued.

Except for the thousands of people they employ of course...... But hey ho, those people don't matter to you.....

John_Rambo · 22-10-2020 11:56AM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Were there fines in the 1st lockdown? I don't think so.

Dublin folks were all over Connemara during the Easter holidays.

Danica Freezing Brow wrote: »

Yea there was a few in court recently over breaches of the first lockdown.

^^

Danica Freezing Brow wrote: »

I have no idea how you have managed to interpret my post as referring to Dublin people in Connemara.

I think your ranting and raging across multiple threads has you fairly confused at this stage. Your intentions are well, but you're virtue signalling is just getting up peoples noses and further intrenched them in their views. Your name calling simply encourages people to dig their heels in.

Take a break from the internet and get some fresh air. Stay safe, be kind.

SAMTALK · 22-10-2020 11:57AM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Except for the thousands of people they employ of course...... But hey ho, those people don't matter to you.....

Taken out of context .

What about other business ? The gyms are of no more importance than any of the other business that are closed.

hynesie08 · 22-10-2020 12:01PM

SAMTALK wrote: »

Taken out of context .

What about other business ? The gyms are of no more importance than any of the other business that are closed.

He said nobody.........

I agree. I care about everyone who's been left staring down the barrel of ruin by the absolute ****show this government has made of it, and I hate the fact that the alternative would be even worse....

SAMTALK · 22-10-2020 12:03PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

He said nobody.........

I agree. I care about everyone who's been left staring down the barrel of ruin by the absolute ****show this government has made of it, and I hate the fact that the alternative would be even worse....

Essential as in we could not survive without

hynesie08 · 22-10-2020 12:04PM

SAMTALK wrote: »

Essential as in we could not survive without

In that case, nothing should be open except supermarkets.

SAMTALK · 22-10-2020 12:09PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

In that case, nothing should be open except supermarkets.

Chemists ? GP surgeries ?

bucketybuck · 22-10-2020 12:19PM

SAMTALK wrote: »

Everyone has to make sacrifices

But why does anybody have to make that particular sacrifice?

Lets not just blindly go with whatever crap is served up to us, these decisions should be based on logic and facts, I have little time for people who think the rules are important in and of themselves rather than existing to serve a need. Too many are losing sight of that.

There is a huge downside to closing gyms, so why not keep them open? Where is the evidence that allowing them to remain open would cause clusters? What size would those clusters be expected to be?

josip · 22-10-2020 12:23PM

Yesterday Tennis Ireland said Junior Coaching could continue, but this morning they've said it's to stop with immediate effect.
Does anyone know why the change?

SAMTALK · 22-10-2020 12:23PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

But why does anybody have to make that particular sacrifice?

Lets not just blindly go with whatever crap is served up to us, these decisions should be based on logic and facts, I have little time for people who think the rules are important in and of themselves rather than existing to serve a need. Too many are losing sight of that.

There is a huge downside to closing gyms, so why not keep them open? Where is the evidence that allowing them to remain open would cause clusters? What size would those clusters be expected to be?

It's not about blindly going with whatever crap is served to us

My point is what makes the gyms any more important than any other business

Mental health / physical health can be sorted by finding something to replace gym

As I have said before some women like to get their hair done every week , its their downtime.
Some people like to go to the put, it's their thing
Some people play hurling / football

All these things are as important to these people as the gym is to anybody that goes to one

I am by no means saying i agree with all these things being closed by the way, just the arguement of gyms being essential is a bit wearing

average_runner · 22-10-2020 12:30PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

I actually look forward to night running in the cold fresh air. With a good head torch and the right clothes you are sorted.
I'll run the roads and the forests and occasionally hit the mountains.
I will be fit as a fiddle when hurling starts again in March!

Would love to have the mountains beside me. Early morning run when its quiet is beautiful

bucketybuck · 22-10-2020 12:31PM

SAMTALK wrote: »

It's not about blindly going with whatever crap is served to us

My point is what makes the gyms any more important than any other business

Even asking that question requires an acceptance that they do need to close. Think of the questions in order:

A- Is this business a health risk?
B- If yes, is this business an essential service that needs to stay open anyway?

If the answer to A is "No" then question B doesn't need to be asked, just let it stay open. You appear to be asking question B, but did you ask question A first?

average_runner · 22-10-2020 12:32PM

josip wrote: »

Yesterday Tennis Ireland said Junior Coaching could continue, but this morning they've said it's to stop with immediate effect.
Does anyone know why the change?

Very strange, unless its indoors?

Used to coach in tennis, now do gaa instead with the kids:eek:

Cluedo Monopoly · 22-10-2020 12:32PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

Yea there was a few in court recently over breaches of the first lockdown.

We were talking about the 5km limit. Hence the Dubs-in-Connemara reference was reply to MartinGriffin.

To my knowledge there were no fines for breaching the 5km limit unnecessarily in the 1st lockdown.

Do you know otherwise? If so, let's hear it.

Again, the 5km limit is the context.

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