Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Penfailed · 21-10-2020 07:14PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

“A police state is a government that exercises power through the power of the police force”

Bingo! A totalitarian state controlled by a political police force. We don't live in one.

martingriff · 21-10-2020 07:17PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

“A police state is a government that exercises power through the power of the police force”

Penfailed wrote: »

Bingo! A totalitarian state controlled by a political police force. We don't live in one.

They tried to rule with the carrot if we had we could well still be in level 2. It did not work so here comes the stick

Stormyteacup · 21-10-2020 07:22PM

martingriff wrote: »

They tried to rule with the carrot if we had we could well still be in level 2. It did not work so here comes the stick

But the stick doesn’t seem to work either. Some EU countries have a police force with greater powers for enforcement, much lower tolerance for transgression along with fines, but I hasn’t seemed to make much difference to the Covid case curve.

Remember the sole reason we are in level 5 is the complete ineptitude of government to shore up health system.

manniot2 · 21-10-2020 07:26PM

big syke wrote: »

Trying to settle argument here. Currently all the kids allowed out playing on the road. After tonight some are being kept in and not allowed go out due to the restrictions. What's the official rules now and after midnight regarding kids playing on the road/field outside?

Let your kids play freely and enjoy the few years of carefree youth that no child should be denied.

MOH · 21-10-2020 07:34PM

manniot2 wrote: »

Let your kids play freely and enjoy the few years of carefree youth that no child should be denied.

Let your children run wild and free! 'Cos as the old saying goes, "Let your children run wild and free".

big syke wrote: »

Trying to settle argument here. Currently all the kids allowed out playing on the road. After tonight some are being kept in and not allowed go out due to the restrictions. What's the official rules now and after midnight regarding kids playing on the road/field outside?

They probably shouldn't be playing on the road after midnight

big syke · 21-10-2020 07:36PM

manniot2 wrote: »

Let your kids play freely and enjoy the few years of carefree youth that no child should be denied.

Ye 100% agree it's their friends who are not allowed out from this evening. Makes no sense

Quantum Erasure · 21-10-2020 07:38PM

big syke wrote: »

Ye 100% agree it's their friends who are not allowed out from this evening. Makes no sense

Ask in a different thread, get a different answer

big syke · 21-10-2020 07:41PM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Ask in a different thread, get a different answer

Ye thats why I was wondering the official stance on it

Quantum Erasure · 21-10-2020 07:43PM

Found this:

Outdoor playgrounds, play areas and parks will remain open with protective measures, so I suppose use your own judgment ...

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#outdoor-playgrounds-play-areas-and-parks

Penfailed · 21-10-2020 07:43PM

big syke wrote: »

Ye 100% agree it's their friends who are not allowed out from this evening. Makes no sense

They're together all day at school I'm assuming? What's the difference with that and playing outside in the evenings? They're probably more socially distanced playing outside than stuck side by side in a classroom...

martingriff · 21-10-2020 07:43PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

But the stick doesn’t seem to work either. Some EU countries have a police force with greater powers for enforcement, much lower tolerance for transgression along with fines, but I hasn’t seemed to make much difference to the Covid case curve.

Remember the sole reason we are in level 5 is the complete ineptitude of government to shore up health system.

I would also say it is also the complete ignorance of some to follow the advice. If it doesn't work well we will see

facehugger99 · 21-10-2020 07:49PM

big syke wrote: »

Ye 100% agree it's their friends who are not allowed out from this evening. Makes no sense

Imagine being the child of some of the hysteria-merchants in the main thread.

Poor kids are probably terrified they're going to inadvertently murder their grannies.

RoryMac · 21-10-2020 07:52PM

martingriff wrote: »

They tried to rule with the carrot if we had we could well still be in level 2. It did not work so here comes the stick

Wow, quite the stick

Earlier, Association of Garda Sergeants and Inspectors General Secretary Antoinette Cunningham warned that the legislation could "cause difficulties".

In a statement she said: "We remain concerned about the practicalities of issuing on-the-spot fines in relation to house parties and other matters."

Speaking on RTÉ's Today with Claire Byrne, Ms Cunningham said spot fines should not be a panacea to all Covid-related policing issues.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1021/1172877-covid-19-ireland/

Stormyteacup · 21-10-2020 07:55PM

martingriff wrote: »

I would also say it is also the complete ignorance of some to follow the advice. If it doesn't work well we will see

There will always be some of that I agree, not convinced that’s the main reason cases are rising.

I’m hoping as much as anyone else that these measures bring cases down. But if this is the only way to bring cases down there needs to be another solution offered.

bear1 · 21-10-2020 07:58PM

Penfailed wrote: »

From what I can gather, it's €50 for facemask breaches, €200 for breaching the 5km limits and €1000 for house parties (for the first offence).

But, isn't the 5km for exercise? Such a stupid rule.

21-10-2020 07:58PM

Im not allowed have my parents in my garden and yet a garda can rock up and ask why my stereo is so loud...ha ha cos imagine how foolish a garda feels knocking after you lower your stereo and shush the can can girls and black jack table...eh are you having a party??. Nope..you sure. You want to try prove i am without crossing the threshold??. The burden of proof is on you to prove i am..not me to prove im not...see you in an hour... poor gardai have better ways to earn their 30k per annum

walus · 21-10-2020 08:02PM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Pressure on the health service leads to deaths

Complete lack of pressure on the health service leads to even more deaths.

RoryMac · 21-10-2020 08:04PM

rusty cole wrote: »

Im not allowed have my parents in my garden and yet a garda can rock up and ask why my stereo is so loud...ha ha cos imagine how foolish a garda feels knocking after you lower your stereo and shush the can can girls and black jack table...eh are you having a party??. Nope..you sure. You want to try prove i am without crossing the threshold??. The burden of proof is on you to prove i am..not me to prove im not...see you in an hour... poor gardai have better ways to earn their 30k per annum

They have said today they have serious concerns about these new penalties and how they can be enforced especially around house parties.

If the home owner doesn't open the door to them there is no more they can do

21-10-2020 08:05PM

big syke wrote: »

Trying to settle argument here. Currently all the kids allowed out playing on the road. After tonight some are being kept in and not allowed go out due to the restrictions. What's the official rules now and after midnight regarding kids playing on the road/field outside?

They are not allowed to be within 2 metres of anyone outside their house hold and since they are kids that will either ignore or not understand this they should not be let out.

21-10-2020 08:06PM

big syke wrote: »

Trying to settle argument here. Currently all the kids allowed out playing on the road. After tonight some are being kept in and not allowed go out due to the restrictions. What's the official rules now and after midnight regarding kids playing on the road/field outside?

They are not allowed to be within 2 metres of anyone outside their house hold and since they are kids that will either ignore or not understand this they should not be let out.

Another big advantage of living in the country, no just “going out to play”. Much easier to keep kids and teens under control.

FintanMcluskey · 21-10-2020 08:07PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Imagine being the child of some of the hysteria-merchants in the main thread.

Poor kids are probably terrified they're going to inadvertently murder their grannies.

Wouldn’t be to worried

They can never reproduce, they won’t be able to stand within 2m of a stranger

RoryMac · 21-10-2020 08:09PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

They are not allowed to be within 2 metres of anyone outside their house hold and since they are kids that will either ignore or not understand this they should not be let out.

Except in school where covid doesn't exist

hynesie08 · 21-10-2020 08:11PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

They are not allowed to be within 2 metres of anyone outside their house hold and since they are kids that will either ignore or not understand this they should not be let out.

Another big advantage of living in the country, no just “going out to play”. Much easier to keep kids and teens under control.

So they can spend 8 hours a day with 30 kids but can't kick a ball with 4 of them after school.....

Father of the year sewn up there papa nox.....

Penfailed · 21-10-2020 08:16PM

bear1 wrote: »

But, isn't the 5km for exercise? Such a stupid rule.

Nope. You should only be outside the 5km radius for essential reasons (according to the rules).

JoeA3 · 21-10-2020 08:23PM

People are overthinking all this... as per...

I too live in the "countryside" - where kids most definitely do "go out and play" - so I'm apparently not in the same countryside as Nox. Chances of a Garda checkpoint in my neck of the woods?...less than zero. Do as you please in your own house / garden / social bubble, whatever the hell you want to call it. That's what I am doing and from what I can tell, its exactly what my neighbours are doing too. Kids are mingling in schools / after-school facilities all day.

Whatsisname · 21-10-2020 08:28PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

They are not allowed to be within 2 metres of anyone outside their house hold and since they are kids that will either ignore or not understand this they should not be let out.

I really hope you’re just a massive troll otherwise you’re clinically insane.

21-10-2020 08:35PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

They are not allowed to be within 2 metres of anyone outside their house hold and since they are kids that will either ignore or not understand this they should not be let out.

Another big advantage of living in the country, no just “going out to play”. Much easier to keep kids and teens under control.

Kids can walk indoors anywhere mask free. As this is such an "extremely contagious" virus, so much so that outdoor gatherings above 12 must wear masks, why are kids mask free but still required indoors after lockdown comes in, explain the logic..you are 20 times less likely to pick this up outside if your an adult next to a covid carrier. These are all facts and figures from nephet that we may have forgotten because the rules have changed with the utmost of frequency.

normanoffside · 21-10-2020 08:38PM

So if I'm getting this right, the HSE tried to save a few €100,000 by being tight in in hiring contact tracing staff and that ends up costing the country a few €Billion.

I suppose the Billions don't go on their budget so the big wigs of the HSE must think they're great at managing their budgets.

21-10-2020 08:39PM

Who has bets on the next TD or civil servant gettibg caught flouting the rules in lockdown??. Twill be an interesting six weeks between the peasants carrying mobile phones and big phil hogan dying for payback...a leak will be something to behold..golfgate 2 oughta do it.

Cluedo Monopoly · 21-10-2020 08:40PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Nope. You should only be outside the 5km radius for essential reasons (according to the rules).

But all you have to say is you are going shopping. Have a few bags in the boot. The Gardaí will not check.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings