Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

polesheep · 20-10-2020 03:41PM

Strumms wrote: »

You have clearly no understanding or wish to understand covid...

421 people committed suicide in Ireland last year.

1852 people have died from covid.. SO FAR this year

Only in October and 340% more people died from covid so far than suicide last year... there are 73 days left this year.

By all means continue making a fool of ‘your-self’

We were speaking of people suffering from depression, why the jump to suicide figures? Oh yes, you have no understanding of what depression is.

There is only one illness that matters to you, we get that, but like it or not, it's not the only illness out there.

average_runner · 20-10-2020 03:43PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

I was speaking to an ICU nurse recently and he told me that they are administering CPAP earlier and also IV steroids sooner, which has improved outcomes in patients.

It’s encouraging, and hopefully they’ll continue to improve treatments.

Is that when they come into ICU or just admitted to the hospital?

Stormyteacup · 20-10-2020 03:47PM

average_runner wrote: »

Is that when they come into ICU or just admitted to the hospital?

Even before ICU if symptoms require it, both can be done outside of ICU was what I understood from conversation.

Stormyteacup · 20-10-2020 03:51PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

They’re being paid to produce public service content. Do you expect it to cost nothing?

Next thing we’ll be told that those paid to provide public information re drunk or dangerous driving have a vested interest in the continuation of drunk or dangerous driving.

For the last number of year they have been struggling to justify that their service provided warrants the level of state funding they get.

My point was that next year it will likely be easier for them to be granted said funding.

Rezident · 20-10-2020 03:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Thanks...... and to everyone else who said the same.
I just felt sick to my stomach earlier. I will be going to my daughter, come hell or high water, every week between now and the end of these restrictions.... and no Garda checkpoint is going to make me turn back.

Same as, I will be going to see my son and daughter and to hell with this government.

polesheep · 20-10-2020 03:56PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

Haven’t seen them. Have you a credible source for this? Are you talking about the public service announcements etc.?

Is there not a corollary to that in that because of lockdown RTÉ is losing funding and revenue. Shíte like the Rose of Tralee is a big money spinner for RTÉ so anything their pulling in from the government re “advertising” as you call it re Covid is out weighed elsewhere. All this sounds like conspiracy theory bullshít.

Not wishing to be offensive, but you really need to spend some time on media studies. Objectivity in the media has always been an issue and it has diminished at frightening speed these past twenty years or so. Public service broadcasting was supposed to ensure that we retained a level of objectivity as it wouldn't be subject to requiring financial input from private sources that might wish to influence content. Unfortunately, RTE's record in this regard has been poor and they tend to act as a support for the state rather than question or challenge it. The BBC has also slipped into the same mode unfortunately. It's not a conspiracy theory.

Hrududu · 20-10-2020 03:57PM

Elessar wrote: »

. We are the North Korea of Europe.

You know when you type lol but you didn’t actually lol? Well not this time.

Kermit.de.frog · 20-10-2020 03:57PM

Why are the Germans so great and everyone else so inadequate?

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polesheep · 20-10-2020 03:58PM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Claire Byrne recently had Pat Falvey on her show. Pat is an adventurer and has climbed Everest. Why was he on? To demonstrate to people how to dress for outdoor dining in Ireland during winter. I **** you not. If that isn’t hysteria I don’t know what is.

It's actually just very poor quality TV.

Rrrrrr2 · 20-10-2020 03:58PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I have a breakdown here, but cant upload it as the file is too large. But a quick snippet...

Clare FM: €95,000
Northern Sound: €91,945
FM104: €70,000
Tipp FM: €95,000
Q102: €44,445
Red FM: €60,000

The list contains I'd say up to 30 radio stations

Nice buy off for them all- you wouldn’t get it in Ceacescus Romania

darconio · 20-10-2020 03:59PM

Strumms wrote: »

No, if their death certificate says otherwise.

https://www.hiqa.ie/sites/default/files/2020-07/Analysis-of-excess-all-cause-mortality-in-Ireland-during-the-COVID-19-epidemic.pdf

As of mid April, in line with World Health Organization (WHO) guidance, death reporting was extended to include deaths both in patients with probable COVID-19 in addition to deaths among confirmed cases.
By definition, such deaths must result from a clinically compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 (for example, trauma).

JimToken · 20-10-2020 04:05PM

Is hardware stores and builders merchants staying open?

Thanks

joeguevara · 20-10-2020 04:05PM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Nice buy off for them all- you wouldn’t get it in Ceacescus Romania

Ceaucescos Romania was riddled with corruption and bribery. I know that you were only trying to make a point but as the purchases were not in any way large and were clear and transparent then comparing it to 80s Romania is a bit try hard. What’s next using Kafkaesque in every third word?

Tacitus Kilgore · 20-10-2020 04:07PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I have a breakdown here, but cant upload it as the file is too large. But a quick snippet...

Clare FM: €95,000
Northern Sound: €91,945
FM104: €70,000
Tipp FM: €95,000
Q102: €44,445
Red FM: €60,000

The list contains I'd say up to 30 radio stations

This is a fucking disgrace, who decided these mobs could be paid to do this

CalamariFritti · 20-10-2020 04:13PM

JimToken wrote: »

Is hardware stores and builders merchants staying open?

Thanks

AFAIK yes, both wholesale and retail.

Allinall · 20-10-2020 04:16PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

This is a fucking disgrace, who decided these mobs could be paid to do this

How much do you think they should have been paid?

I presume you know how much air time was taken up, and the costs of producing the slots.

Tacitus Kilgore · 20-10-2020 04:23PM

Allinall wrote: »

How much do you think they should have been paid?

I presume you know how much air time was taken up, and the costs of producing the slots.

As much as required, I forgot that sarcasm doesn't transmit well over the written word -

I was trying to laugh at the fact that the government paying for advertisement is being peddled as some sort of conspiracy :pac:

Allinall · 20-10-2020 04:30PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

As much as required, I forgot that sarcasm doesn't transmit well over the written word -

I was trying to laugh at the fact that the government paying for advertisement is being peddled as some sort of conspiracy :pac:

oops!

I thought that any poster that can type "****ing" and get it through the bad language matron had special status as a certified crank.

Captain_Crash · 20-10-2020 04:34PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

As much as required, I forgot that sarcasm doesn't transmit well over the written word -

I was trying to laugh at the fact that the government paying for advertisement is being peddled as some sort of conspiracy :pac:

I don't think anyone is peddling it as a conspiracy. Of course its advertising and of course it has to be paid for. The initial question was what have media got to gain by running wall to wall Covid coverage?

Well Northern Sound has 90 grand to gain that's what! which to them, could cover running costs for a few years, or the wages for several part time workers for a year. That's huge money to a small station like that... and multitudes of them got similar payments.

So its not unreasonable to suggest there is a financial gain.

Tacitus Kilgore · 20-10-2020 04:35PM

Allinall wrote: »

oops!

I thought that any poster that can type "****ing" and get it through the bad language matron had special status as a certified crank.

Well, I never said I wasn't a fucking crank :pac:

I definitely would be considered one in the context of this insane thread anyway...

Tacitus Kilgore · 20-10-2020 04:37PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I don't think anyone is peddling it as a conspiracy. Of course its advertising and of course it has to be paid for. The initial question was what have media got to gain by running wall to wall Covid coverage?

Well Northern Sound has 90 grand to gain that's what! which to them, could cover running costs for a few years, or the wages for several part time workers for a year. That's huge money to a small station like that... and multitudes of them got similar payments.

So its not unreasonable to suggest there is a financial gain.

Plenty folk out there doing marginally better on PUP than they would in work too - does that fall into a conspiracy also?

There clearly is financial gain - a company is being paid by the government to provide a service - why would that be a negative?

end of the road · 20-10-2020 04:37PM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Claire Byrne recently had Pat Falvey on her show. Pat is an adventurer and has climbed Everest. Why was he on? To demonstrate to people how to dress for outdoor dining in Ireland during winter. I **** you not. If that isn’t hysteria I don’t know what is.

it's simply advising the few who may be desperate enough to want to go outdoor dining how they should dress for the occasion, after all it is, you know, effectively winter (or to be technical, autumn but with wintery conditions)
no hysteria there.

topper75 wrote: »

Yes many other countries are overreacting alongside Ireland to varying degrees. This does not negate Irish people's right to question the validity of the official position one bit.

Awful glib and trite statement there on domestic abuse. You've solved it seemingly - just lock them up! The nature of the restrictions remove what little sanctuary might have been there for some victims. Undeniable. I hope NPHET and Co. at least tried to factor it in with more gravitas than you.

Living with Covid and hiding everything and everybody away in panicked fashion are diametric 180 degree opposites. The former seeks to open as much as possible whilst avoiding spread. That 'living with' strategy was clearly abandoned in the last few days. Most questionable.

other countries, most countries in fact, are acting proportionately to this virus, recognising that it can cause many effects regardless of whether people get it or not.
so they are engaging in policies of damage limitation and protection, to protect as much as they can protect from the effects.
no country is hiding anything and everyone away in panicked fashion, they are following the strategy of living with covid and opening what they can when and where they can, but closing things when and where case numbers become problematic so as to minimise all of the effects.
a hell of a lot, probably most, of the people claiming to be questioning the official position aren't really, they are just complaining for the sake of it and offering nothing viable and workable, just sound bites.

Zebra3 wrote: »

But we are not living with the virus.

Maybe the WFH brigade who have kept their jobs and have more time with the kids and are saving a fortune on not commuting feel that way, but those who have lost their jobs, those who are struggling to keep their business afloat, and those who are in their 30s and are struggling to meet someone to have a family with, they are not living.

Their lives are miserable.

I'd be happy if we could live with the virus, but let's not pretend we're doing something that we're not.

we are living with the virus as per our strategy.
a minority of people are trying to make that difficult for us as a country to achieve, but we are prevailing all be it sometimes in a more restrictive fashion then we would like.
but prevail we will dispite attempts to create caoss.
yes, we are all finding things tough, but i'm glad i'm facing restrictions in ireland rather then in countries such as spain and earlier italy.

Zebra3 wrote: »

Ah yes, throw some emotional post up as opposed to dealing with the truth of what I posted.

Do you ever leave your home? Wouldn't want to leave the house in case you're in a car crash? Or go into the bank or shop in case there's a robbery when you're in there?

you tried all of that before, it failed all of the other times and it fails this time.

CalamariFritti · 20-10-2020 04:43PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Plenty folk out there doing marginally better on PUP than they would in work too - does that fall into a conspiracy also?

There clearly is financial gain - a company is being paid by the government to provide a service - why would that be a negative?

You've just been told nobody says there is a conspiracy and you just ignore that and reply with 'is this a conspiracy also'.

Why would you do that?

There is no conspiracy but obviously you're not going to go radically against what your main advertiser is peddling. Or if you look at it the other way around if you're a radically government critical radio station you're not going to receive a lot of government advertising.

There is no conspiracy its just the way it is.

If you're an alternative green radio station you're not going to get much advertising revenue from Mercedes-Benz either.

Tacitus Kilgore · 20-10-2020 04:47PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

You've just been told nobody says there is a conspiracy and you just ignore that and reply with 'is this a conspiracy also'.

Why would you do that?

Just felt like asking a question - as it seemed similar

CalamariFritti wrote: »

There is no conspiracy but obviously you're not going to go radically against what your main advertiser is peddling. Or if you look at it the other way around if you're a radically government critical radio station you're not going to receive a lot of government advertising.

There is no conspiracy its just the way it is.

If you're an alternative green radio station you're not going to get much advertising revenue from Mercedes-Benz either.

I really don't understand any of this, sorry

CalamariFritti · 20-10-2020 04:51PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Just felt like asking a question - as it seemed similar

I really don't understand any of this, sorry

If you receive considerable government revenue for running ads on the dangers of covid it wouldnt work very well if your other content was very critical of the government on matters covid. Why would a government work together with a government critical station?

He who pays the piper.

Thats not a conspiracy. Its just the way it is.

charlie14 · 20-10-2020 04:57PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I take it then you do not have the answer to the question posed ...

...... or else chose not to answer NO.

I gave you the answer to the question. Those 1.12 million deaths are listed by the individual countries as being due to Covid-19. As in given as the cause of death on the death certificates.

Unless you believe there is some worldwide conspiracy by doctors and pathologists to list other causes as Covid-19 for some reason, I do not know what your point is.
There are probably more reasons with some countries to suspect the opposite.

Rrrrrr2 · 20-10-2020 05:05PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

If you receive considerable government revenue for running ads on the dangers of covid it wouldnt work very well if your other content was very critical of the government on matters covid. Why would a government work together with a government critical station?

He who pays the piper.

Thats not a conspiracy. Its just the way it is.

Absolutely- you’re never going to get true objectivity under these circumstances- whether by design or coincidence this is how it is.
Government should never be funding independent media because then it’s no longer independent and in any true democracy an independent unbiased press is key. It’s pretty clear we don’t have one anymore

Tacitus Kilgore · 20-10-2020 05:08PM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Absolutely- you’re never going to get true objectivity under these circumstances- whether by design or coincidence this is how it is.
Government should never be funding independent media because then it’s no longer independent and in any true democracy an independent unbiased press is key. It’s pretty clear we don’t have one anymore

Is it? How so?

Dempo1 · 20-10-2020 05:14PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/60ecc-essential-retail-outlets-for-level-4/?referrer=http://www.gov.ie/essentialretail/

So literally every shop can open if they do click and collect??

You couldn't make this up.....

Yes just heard mobile phone shops staying open, oddly most are franchise that don't facilitate click and collect, how's that going to work?

Rrrrrr2 · 20-10-2020 05:15PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Is it? How so?

By opening my two ears and listening to their (Govt funded) diatribe of hysteria

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings