Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

end of the road · 19-10-2020 12:43AM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

There we have it again!
Your 'high possibility' of "a ridiculous amount of cases requiring a ridiculous amount of isolation"

It seems everything you wrote is based on this possibility.

It is much better to shut businesses so no work gets done?

Transmission rates can be huge with little effect due to the small minority of the non-vulnerable that would require hospitalisation.

Locking up the vulnerable? Can you not address what I actually post instead of injecting your own wild imaginings?

For those in the vulnerable category, they would have the choice how they behave.
They would control their own lives and behaviours and not be controlled unless, as is the case now, they are not capable of making their own decisions.

The amount of pain inflicted on the vulnerable is not materially changed, but the amount of pain inflicted on the majority is hugely different, in the two approaches.
Some might even say there would be less pain inflicted on the vulnerable because they would have control over their own lives.
At the same time the economy of the country is not seriously impacted, whereas the economy is a near basket case under the present scheme/s.

It all comes down to one possibility (which to date has failed dramatically) versus another which has not been fully tested in a lot of locations.

I would choose the latter and you the former.

it is much better to shut a few non-essential businesses which require a high concentration of people mixing together to protect the rest of the businesses that are in fact needed. so remove some non-essential or necessary work so that the necessary work can continue.
transmission rates can be huge with little effect on a per person basis, but realistically whether huge or not they will have effects over all if left uncontroled.
what we would be doing would essentially amount to locking up the vulnerable, for them to shield in a situation where we didn't bother requiring the virus would mean them never leaving their homes and even then having no real protection, whether that would be you or other's intentions for that to happen or not, that is what would ultimately need to occur.
the vulnerable currently have the choice of how they behave, and they control their behaviours and lives and also have some protections due to our approach of trying to suppress the virus, like the rest of us are able to do, which over all is a much much better outcome, as everyone is still able to take part in society and have some protection from the virus whether the effects would be tiny or serious depending on the individual.
the amount of pain which would be inflicted on the vulnerable if there was no control of the virus would be huge for no gain for the rest of us, and in all likely hood an even worse situation for us all, whereas now why we are all sharing pain, it's collective even if the specifics are different on an individual basis, the virus is somewhat being controled and we can generally go about our business, which is a much much better situation all round.
the economy is no basket case under this approach regardless of what some claim, everything disproves this, and the impacts while big are not what they could be or would likely be if there was no control of the virus.
our current policy is a success, deaths are very low, cases have increased yes but they are managable, and the economy is in reasonable shape, not perfect but it would never be with something like this.
we don't need to test a policy to know it won't work, it actually has already been effectively done for us even though unintentioned.

Idbatterim wrote: »

Its a pity these lock it all down fools, arent having their incomes decimated. Im sure they would be happy to though, we are in all this together after all! Lol! Save a life a day at any cost! This sure as **** hasnt been the approach to the value of a non covid taken life up to now..

do you know the income situations of people who agree or disagree with whatever? nope, you don't.
as i explained much much earlier and have done so a number of times, disagreement or agreement with restrictions is not based on specific income lines, the reality is just not backing that up, and if it was the case then there would be a trend of agreement or disagreement based on income lines across many different issues.
you just need to accept it that you are in the minority, everything is against you and your wish for everyone in a similar situation to have the same specific view on whatever will never be the way of the world.

charlie14 · 19-10-2020 12:45AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Will you link towards the bit in bold?

I’m not being disingenuous, I haven’t seen that stated on print.

Fintan, no insult meant to yourself but I am feed up to the back teeth here posting verifiable facts and figures that just have posters coming back with the most inane nit picking where I have to go and defend verifiable facts that there should be no reason too in any serious debate.
You have been on the vaccination thread. There are interviews links there with people who are a damn sight closer to the inside track as to what is and isn`t going to be the situation with these first vaccines. If you are genuinely interested then it is all there.

This thread is full of poster moaning and bitching who have not a single credible alternative as to how we combat this virus other than a vaccine.
If we had 99% immunity in the morning due to vaccination 99% of them would still be on here bitching and moaning about not having 100%

PTH2009 · 19-10-2020 12:57AM

Not sounding promising for the GAA Championships

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/government-plans-level-4-plus-restrictions-for-up-to-a-month-1.4384517?mode=amp

Rrrrrr2 · 19-10-2020 01:05AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Not sounding promising for the GAA Championships

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/government-plans-level-4-plus-restrictions-for-up-to-a-month-1.4384517?mode=amp

Can’t see that going ahead either. No way it’ll survive the latest wave of Covid mania and would be seen as easy pickings to cull in the Covid theatrical political optics of “doing something”. Low hanging fruit and also zero financial cost to the state

patnor1011 · 19-10-2020 04:48AM

The Wall Street Journal reports:

The coronavirus pandemic has thrown between 88 million and 114 million people into extreme poverty, according to the World Bank’s biennial estimates of global poverty.

The reversal is by far the largest increase in extreme poverty going back to 1990 when the data begin, and marks an end to a streak of more than two decades of declines in the number of the extremely impoverished, which the World Bank defines as living on less than $1.90 a day, or about $700 a year.

The World Bank now estimates a total of between 703 million and 729 million people are in extreme poverty, and that the number could rise further in 2021.

Let’s get one thing straight: ‘The virus’ hasn’t caused this poverty, it was caused by our reaction to the virus. The vast majority of the world’s countries believed the early models — those grossly inaccurate, criminally incorrect models — predicting death on a “Black Plague/Spanish Flu” scale. Within a month of the pandemic, however, the world already had enough data on illnesses and deaths to prove that COVID-19 was never going to be anything like a black plague/Spanish flu.

But still, the lockdowns of economies continued. Jobs were lost; businesses began to go bankrupt and close.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-has-thrown-around-100-million-people-into-extreme-poverty-world-bank-estimates-11602086400

patnor1011 · 19-10-2020 05:07AM

Things are going exceptionally poorly for Big Pharma in its quest to release “warp speed” vaccines for the Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19). The latest casualty is Johnson & Johnson, which halted its trial due to an “unexplained illness” in one of its participants.

Similar to what happened with AztraZeneca’s Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) vaccine trial, J&J observed a participant suffer from a serious adverse event, prompting the company to put an immediate stop to its Phase 3 operations.

This means that all trials involving J&J’s vaccine candidate, including a large-scale one launched on Sept. 22 by Janssen with an anticipated enrollment of 60,000 volunteers at 215 research sites, are now on hold while the pharma giant investigates what happened.

Having received $1.5 billion from the Trump administration’s Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to produce a vaccine, J&J, along with AstraZeneca and several others that also received taxpayer funding, are rushing at “warp speed” to get a Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) vaccine to market as quickly as possible.

In J&J’s case, its vaccine contains a human fetal cell line known as PER.C6 that was taken from the retinal tissue of an 18-week-old baby boy who was aborted in The Netherlands back in 1985 and turned into a fetal cell line 10 years later.

AstraZeneca’s jab, which reportedly caused transverse myelitis in a participant, is similarly derived from an aborted baby cell line known as HEK 293. Like J&J, AstraZeneca halted its Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) vaccine trial when its aborted baby jab caused harm in a participant.

“I isolated retina from a fetus, from a healthy fetus as far as could be seen, of 18 weeks old,” stated Dr. Alex van der Eb, who developed the PER.C6 aborted baby cell line used in J&J’s Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) vaccine.

“There was nothing special with a family history or the pregnancy was completely normal up to the 18 weeks, and it turned out to be a socially indicated abortus – abortus provocatus, and that was simply because the woman wanted to get rid of the fetus … what was written down was unknown father, and that was, in fact, the reason why the abortion was requested.”

It is no wonder that participants are suffering serious adverse events, as foreign DNA from aborted babies is not supposed to be injected into other human beings to “cure” them from alleged viruses, which is exactly what is now happening under Trump’s “Operation Warp Speed” mass vaccination program.

Thanks to Trump’s large cash infusion into J&J, the company is expected to very soon deliver 100 million doses of its aborted baby vaccine, with the option already in place to deliver many more should the government request them.

“The volunteers for these vaccine trials are probably the insane screeching Karens that have an aneurysm whenever they spot someone without a mask at 100 yards,” wrote one LifeSiteNews commenter about the situation.

“There is a horrifying, fatal illness that attacks the brain – which only cannibals get,” noted another, the suggestion being that the aborted fetal cell component of these Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) vaccines is akin to cannibalism.

joeguevara · 19-10-2020 05:40AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Things are going exceptionally poorly for Big Pharma in its quest to release “warp speed” vaccines for the Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19). The latest casualty is Johnson & Johnson, which halted its trial due to an “unexplained illness” in one of its participants.

Similar to what happened with AztraZeneca’s Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) vaccine trial, J&J observed a participant suffer from a serious adverse event, prompting the company to put an immediate stop to its Phase 3 operations.

This means that all trials involving J&J’s vaccine candidate, including a large-scale one launched on Sept. 22 by Janssen with an anticipated enrollment of 60,000 volunteers at 215 research sites, are now on hold while the pharma giant investigates what happened.

Having received $1.5 billion from the Trump administration’s Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to produce a vaccine, J&J, along with AstraZeneca and several others that also received taxpayer funding, are rushing at “warp speed” to get a Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) vaccine to market as quickly as possible.

In J&J’s case, its vaccine contains a human fetal cell line known as PER.C6 that was taken from the retinal tissue of an 18-week-old baby boy who was aborted in The Netherlands back in 1985 and turned into a fetal cell line 10 years later.

AstraZeneca’s jab, which reportedly caused transverse myelitis in a participant, is similarly derived from an aborted baby cell line known as HEK 293. Like J&J, AstraZeneca halted its Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) vaccine trial when its aborted baby jab caused harm in a participant.

“I isolated retina from a fetus, from a healthy fetus as far as could be seen, of 18 weeks old,” stated Dr. Alex van der Eb, who developed the PER.C6 aborted baby cell line used in J&J’s Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) vaccine.

“There was nothing special with a family history or the pregnancy was completely normal up to the 18 weeks, and it turned out to be a socially indicated abortus – abortus provocatus, and that was simply because the woman wanted to get rid of the fetus … what was written down was unknown father, and that was, in fact, the reason why the abortion was requested.”

It is no wonder that participants are suffering serious adverse events, as foreign DNA from aborted babies is not supposed to be injected into other human beings to “cure” them from alleged viruses, which is exactly what is now happening under Trump’s “Operation Warp Speed” mass vaccination program.

Thanks to Trump’s large cash infusion into J&J, the company is expected to very soon deliver 100 million doses of its aborted baby vaccine, with the option already in place to deliver many more should the government request them.

“The volunteers for these vaccine trials are probably the insane screeching Karens that have an aneurysm whenever they spot someone without a mask at 100 yards,” wrote one LifeSiteNews commenter about the situation.

“There is a horrifying, fatal illness that attacks the brain – which only cannibals get,” noted another, the suggestion being that the aborted fetal cell component of these Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) vaccines is akin to cannibalism.

Have you just quoted an entire article from Natural News? Just to confirm when you do a media bias check the following comes up flashing in red ‘ Overall, we rate Natural News a Questionable source based on the promotion of quackery level pseudoscience and conspiracy theories, as well as extreme right wing bias. This is one of the most discredited sources on the internet.’.

walus · 19-10-2020 06:22AM

end of the road wrote: »

yes economies rely on certainty, but certainty comes in many forms and generally the government will give what certainty they can given the circumstances, for which 100% certainty can't be guaranteed unfortunately.

Certainty comes from various sources. It is a one thing to say cv-19 makes things uncertain (that is completely understandable), yet another thing is having an incapable and procrastinating government that through their actions or a lack of amplify that uncertainty multiple times.

walus · 19-10-2020 06:25AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Lol army on the streets.
Do people think we have some secret battalions of terminators ready to occupy every street?
Those few thousands will not make any difference as they would not open fire or even raise gun on their own neighbors or family.

Will the snipers be deployed as well? I hate those ‘enemy at the gates’ situations.

walus · 19-10-2020 06:28AM

charlie14 wrote: »

Fintan, no insult meant to yourself but I am feed up to the back teeth here posting verifiable facts and figures that just have posters coming back with the most inane nit picking where I have to go and defend verifiable facts that there should be no reason too in any serious debate.
You have been on the vaccination thread. There are interviews links there with people who are a damn sight closer to the inside track as to what is and isn`t going to be the situation with these first vaccines. If you are genuinely interested then it is all there.

This thread is full of poster moaning and bitching who have not a single credible alternative as to how we combat this virus other than a vaccine.
If we had 99% immunity in the morning due to vaccination 99% of them would still be on here bitching and moaning about not having 100%

Charlie14, how much immunity do you think we have in the country right now?

walus · 19-10-2020 06:30AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

The Wall Street Journal reports:

The coronavirus pandemic has thrown between 88 million and 114 million people into extreme poverty, according to the World Bank’s biennial estimates of global poverty.

The reversal is by far the largest increase in extreme poverty going back to 1990 when the data begin, and marks an end to a streak of more than two decades of declines in the number of the extremely impoverished, which the World Bank defines as living on less than $1.90 a day, or about $700 a year.

The World Bank now estimates a total of between 703 million and 729 million people are in extreme poverty, and that the number could rise further in 2021.

Let’s get one thing straight: ‘The virus’ hasn’t caused this poverty, it was caused by our reaction to the virus. The vast majority of the world’s countries believed the early models — those grossly inaccurate, criminally incorrect models — predicting death on a “Black Plague/Spanish Flu” scale. Within a month of the pandemic, however, the world already had enough data on illnesses and deaths to prove that COVID-19 was never going to be anything like a black plague/Spanish flu.

But still, the lockdowns of economies continued. Jobs were lost; businesses began to go bankrupt and close.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-has-thrown-around-100-million-people-into-extreme-poverty-world-bank-estimates-11602086400

What does it matter? This is Ireland. We are doing great. The economy is flying apparently...

Ashleigh1986 · 19-10-2020 07:04AM

It's obvious what Ireland needs right now .
It's our version of " dads army " to get on the streets and protect us from this virus .
Below is a list of 3 candidates I would like to put forward as our captain mainwaring
(1) pat Spillane
(2) Danny Healy Rae
(3) Twink
.....please vote wisely as this is the most important election in irelands history .

the corpo · 19-10-2020 07:30AM

I still believe all we really need is a massive effort to get people behind the simple stuff, Social distancing, washing hands. Without enforcement, any restrictions will be ignored by those who don't care, so make them care.

The "this is 2m" that was posted on pavements everywhere was hugely effective, but in my area at the very least they're totally worn away and need to be repainted. If people aren't seeing the message, they can't get it.

Why not a war time PR effort, posters on lamp posts, "Your country needs you....not to party", "Your country need you...to wash your hands"?

funnydoggy · 19-10-2020 08:07AM

the corpo wrote: »

I still believe all we really need is a massive effort to get people behind the simple stuff, Social distancing, washing hands. Without enforcement, any restrictions will be ignored by those who don't care, so make them care.

The "this is 2m" that was posted on pavements everywhere was hugely effective, but in my area at the very least they're totally worn away and need to be repainted. If people aren't seeing the message, they can't get it.

Why not a war time PR effort, posters on lamp posts, "Your country needs you....not to party", "Your country need you...to wash your hands"?

People know what they need to do but there's no buy in, no drive to do it. IMO enforcement will only do the opposite for morale which is poor enough already.

_Kaiser_ · 19-10-2020 08:09AM

the corpo wrote: »

I still believe all we really need is a massive effort to get people behind the simple stuff, Social distancing, washing hands. Without enforcement, any restrictions will be ignored by those who don't care, so make them care.

The "this is 2m" that was posted on pavements everywhere was hugely effective, but in my area at the very least they're totally worn away and need to be repainted. If people aren't seeing the message, they can't get it.

Why not a war time PR effort, posters on lamp posts, "Your country needs you....not to party", "Your country need you...to wash your hands"?

Because attempting to micromanage behaviour and treating people like idiots generally doesn't go down well.

Despite the hysteria and catastrophising over case numbers, there are only 31 people (out of a population of 5 million!!) in ICU, still only single digit deaths (with some of those announced being from months ago), and still most people suffer no effects at all even when they do get this.

In other words, this virus is not as serious as was feared in March, and more and more people are starting to realise that, hence the increasing apathy to NPHET's daily call of "Wolf, Wolf!"

As I have been saying for months now, anyone who is vulnerable or fearful should certainly restrict their movements, isolate or do whatever they feel necessary to feel safer. Everybody else should be free to get on with their lives.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few as I also said months ago, and it's time we stop running a country on the basis of the latter.

pjohnson · 19-10-2020 08:11AM

joeguevara wrote: »

Have you just quoted an entire article from Natural News? Just to confirm when you do a media bias check the following comes up flashing in red ‘ Overall, we rate Natural News a Questionable source based on the promotion of quackery level pseudoscience and conspiracy theories, as well as extreme right wing bias. This is one of the most discredited sources on the internet.’.

I'm amazed an expert in Fearmongering and hysteria is using such a "credible" source. :pac:

Don't Chute! · 19-10-2020 08:15AM

I think the biggest lesson I’ve learnt during this whole thing is that there is a massive cohort of people in this country who are inherently awful nasty spiteful people who will do basically anything to make themselves look better than everyone else. Facebook is an absolute cesspool. Constantly full of sanctimonious self-righteous posts about how everyone is a granny killer and telling us all how to wear masks properly.

At the start of all this a few shops and cafes in Greystones were singled out by this self-appointed mob to be boycotted when things opened up again and then when places actually opened up all was forgotten. They had made their little point and shown everybody how good and virtuous they were and that’s all that matters. I remember early on I was out for a walk with my wife and daughter and we came upon an older woman in tears because a couple who had just passed her had ripped into her for being outside when She was clearly over 70 (she wasn’t) Truly despicable behavior.
#bekind indeed eh?

FintanMcluskey · 19-10-2020 08:30AM

charlie14 wrote: »

Fintan, no insult meant to yourself but I am feed up to the back teeth here posting verifiable facts and figures that just have posters coming back with the most inane nit picking where I have to go and defend verifiable facts that there should be no reason too in any serious debate.
You have been on the vaccination thread. There are interviews links there with people who are a damn sight closer to the inside track as to what is and isn`t going to be the situation with these first vaccines. If you are genuinely interested then it is all there.

This thread is full of poster moaning and bitching who have not a single credible alternative as to how we combat this virus other than a vaccine.
If we had 99% immunity in the morning due to vaccination 99% of them would still be on here bitching and moaning about not having 100%

Charlie, I’ll summarise this, I asked for a link in print.

The answer was no.

funnydoggy · 19-10-2020 08:38AM

Good timing for the government announcing it today after the weekend. I worked a late shift (retail) on Friday and full days yesterday & Saturday, and it was like the last weekend before Christmas.

The fear of another lockdown overshadowed the fear of the virus for 99% of customers that I spoke to and I usually interact with definitely hundreds each day.

Penfailed · 19-10-2020 08:51AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Things are going exceptionally poorly for Big Pharma in its quest to release “warp speed” vaccines for the Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19). The latest casualty is Johnson & Johnson, which halted its trial due to an “unexplained illness” in one of its participants.

Similar to what happened with AztraZeneca’s Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) vaccine trial, J&J observed a participant suffer from a serious adverse event, prompting the company to put an immediate stop to its Phase 3 operations.

This means that all trials involving J&J’s vaccine candidate, including a large-scale one launched on Sept. 22 by Janssen with an anticipated enrollment of 60,000 volunteers at 215 research sites, are now on hold while the pharma giant investigates what happened.

Having received $1.5 billion from the Trump administration’s Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to produce a vaccine, J&J, along with AstraZeneca and several others that also received taxpayer funding, are rushing at “warp speed” to get a Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) vaccine to market as quickly as possible.

In J&J’s case, its vaccine contains a human fetal cell line known as PER.C6 that was taken from the retinal tissue of an 18-week-old baby boy who was aborted in The Netherlands back in 1985 and turned into a fetal cell line 10 years later.

AstraZeneca’s jab, which reportedly caused transverse myelitis in a participant, is similarly derived from an aborted baby cell line known as HEK 293. Like J&J, AstraZeneca halted its Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) vaccine trial when its aborted baby jab caused harm in a participant.

“I isolated retina from a fetus, from a healthy fetus as far as could be seen, of 18 weeks old,” stated Dr. Alex van der Eb, who developed the PER.C6 aborted baby cell line used in J&J’s Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) vaccine.

“There was nothing special with a family history or the pregnancy was completely normal up to the 18 weeks, and it turned out to be a socially indicated abortus – abortus provocatus, and that was simply because the woman wanted to get rid of the fetus … what was written down was unknown father, and that was, in fact, the reason why the abortion was requested.”

It is no wonder that participants are suffering serious adverse events, as foreign DNA from aborted babies is not supposed to be injected into other human beings to “cure” them from alleged viruses, which is exactly what is now happening under Trump’s “Operation Warp Speed” mass vaccination program.

Thanks to Trump’s large cash infusion into J&J, the company is expected to very soon deliver 100 million doses of its aborted baby vaccine, with the option already in place to deliver many more should the government request them.

“The volunteers for these vaccine trials are probably the insane screeching Karens that have an aneurysm whenever they spot someone without a mask at 100 yards,” wrote one LifeSiteNews commenter about the situation.

“There is a horrifying, fatal illness that attacks the brain – which only cannibals get,” noted another, the suggestion being that the aborted fetal cell component of these Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) vaccines is akin to cannibalism.

Reads like a Daily Mail article.

greengrass88 · 19-10-2020 09:19AM

Bit random

but does anyone know where in the "5 level plan" that acupuncture fits into? And at what level I would be unable to see my acupuncturist treating me in her home? It's for health reason but not sure where it fits in with all this

average_runner · 19-10-2020 09:36AM

FF always had one agenda in their lives, go after the working people!!!

Again majority of people are doing their best to make level 3 work, instead of supporting the people they are punishing us. Need to start enforcing the rules and just let the businesses open. Was in liffey valley at the weekend and majority were behaving again.

Let the pubs and restaurants open and if they break the rules, don't allow the license get renew. Its pretty simple.
All pubs that already broke the rules, hopefully will lose their license.

People breaking the rules, fine them

19-10-2020 09:36AM

Lockdown and restrictions don’t work. We have proof of that. Either the cases won’t go down at all. Or it will take months to get them down and then they’ll just start again when we stop hiding.

With that in mind, I hope for maximum restrictions today so the government/NPHET can see once again that they don’t work . Slow learners sadly.

We need the people on the 6 figure salaries to work harder and find solutions that don’t involve crippling the economy, putting half a million out of work and destroying every social aspect of life.

The sooner a vaccine arrives the better, even if it is more of a placebo. 80+ year olds will still die every day but we’ll go back to accepting that. As long as that horrific word Covid is not listed on the death certificate.

dmakc · 19-10-2020 09:45AM

Hotel accommodation goes from level 3's "services to residents only" to "existing guests only" in level 4. What does this mean?

Those who have booked before today can stay but no one new?

19-10-2020 09:47AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Lockdown and restrictions don’t work. We have proof of that. Either the cases won’t go down at all. Or it will take months to get them down and then they’ll just start again when we stop hiding.

With that in mind, I hope for maximum restrictions today so the government/NPHET can see once again that they don’t work . Slow learners sadly..

You really should stop beating this drum that is possibly the most inaccurate statement of our time. Lockdowns work very very well.

If the lockdown didnt work then in June/July we would have had thousands of cases per day but what did we have? yes you guessed it single digit. THe lockdown to get case numbers and deaths down was a total success. As Ive said before the issue was lifting it too early when there was still the few embers of the virus burning and like a camp fire in a forrest if it's not stamped out it can turn into a wild fire. Also not closing the airports and ports was a massive mistake.

Just read one instance there where 52 cases are linked to one person travelling in from abroad and god knows how many more are due to this. Yet you have plenty of idiots travelling or willing to travel aboard even now. They should be shut tight bar very essential travel and that should require monitored quarantine and testing like in many other countries around the world.

19-10-2020 09:52AM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

You really should stop beating this drum that is possibly the most inaccurate statement of our time. Lockdowns work very very well.

If the lockdown didnt work then in June/July we would have had thousands of cases per day but what did we have? yes you guessed it single digit. THe lockdown to get case numbers and deaths down was a total success. As Ive said before the issue was lifting it too early when there was still the few embers of the virus burning and like a camp fire in a forrest if it's not stamped out it can turn into a wild fire. Also not closing the airports and ports was a massive mistake.

Just read one instance there where 52 cases are linked to one person travelling in from abroad and god knows how many more are due to this. Yet you have plenty if idiots travelling or willing to travel aboard even now. They should be shut tight bar very essential travel and that should require monitored quarantine and testing like in many other countries around the world.

There was over 1000 cases yesterday so lockdown and restrictions haven’t worked.

Unless you consider locking down for 3 months to get a few weeks of low case numbers a success?

JoeA3 · 19-10-2020 09:54AM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

there is a massive cohort of people in this country who are inherently awful nasty spiteful people who will do basically anything to make themselves look better than everyone else.

Indeed. You don't have to look too far.

Jorge Limited Maze wrote:

Yet you have plenty if idiots...

average_runner · 19-10-2020 09:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

There was over 1000 cases yesterday so lockdown and restrictions haven’t worked.

Unless you consider locking down for 3 months to get a few weeks of low case numbers a success?

Its not working because the rules are not enforced. Level 5 won't work as people still won't follow the guidelines.

At this stage I am looking at it, going why should i bother anymore.

robfowler78 · 19-10-2020 09:59AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There was over 1000 cases yesterday so lockdown and restrictions haven’t worked.

Unless you consider locking down for 3 months to get a few weeks of low case numbers a success?

Plus let's not forget regardless of what people like to say the country was still serverly stunted economically when we "opened". Most places running at 1/3 of capacity some places not opened at all.

faceman · 19-10-2020 10:00AM

Presuming that even with the travel restrictions coming in taxis will still be running?

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings