Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Captain_Crash

ShyMets wrote: »

The Government is discussing restricting Off License hours as part of the new restrictions.

I think there's a reasonable chance we see it happen

I’d be surprised if it didn’t happen. The irony being is that it won’t reduce the number of people buying alcohol... it will only condense the hours of the day available, which is more likely to increase crowds!

CalamariFritti

ShyMets wrote: »

The Government is discussing restricting Off License hours as part of the new restrictions.

I think there's a reasonable chance we see it happen

Ye that would really help keeping the people on board. Why not confiscate their televisions while they're at it?

But I agree with you. Wouldnt put anything past them at this point.

facehugger99

According to RTE ' A reduction in off-license opening hours is being considered'

If anything summed up the wrong-headedness of our approach and the Government's need to be seen doing something, it is this.

A reduction in hours will achieve absolutely nothing other than to create a smaller window with which people can go to the off-license. So presumably we will have more people in a confined space or queuing up outside.

If they combine this with the other floated measure of reducing how much you can buy at one time, we can now add in multiple trips to the off-license by people - thus increasing the risk of contracting Covid even further.

Any reasonably intelligent person can see the issues with this by considering it for a couple of minutes and yet we have dozens of people being paid eye-watering salaries to come up with nonsense proposals which will make the situation actually worse.


It's fcuking depressing watching these guys slowly go about destroying the country. Incompetent does not even come close to describing this.

average_runner

ShyMets wrote: »

The Government is discussing restricting Off License hours as part of the new restrictions.

I think there's a reasonable chance we see it happen

That is to match the North. They are closing early up there, so want to stop people coming south

greengrass88

Ironhead93 wrote: »

Big movement going on right now to keep gyms open on account of mental health and there being very few cases linked to gyms. Wonder if it will make a difference

Saw that...unfortunately I dont think they will budge and gyms will likely close next couple of days.

Back to making the bedroom the space for sleep, work and exercise again!

ShyMets

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I’d be surprised if it didn’t happen. The irony being is that it won’t reduce the number of people buying alcohol... it will only condense the hours of the day available, which is more likely to increase crowds!

Exactly. Its optics. Makes the Government look as if they're something to tackle house parties

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

According to RTE ' A reduction in off-license opening hours is being considered'

If anything summed up the wrong-headedness of our approach and the Government's need to be seen doing something, it is this.

A reduction in hours will achieve absolutely nothing other than to create a smaller window with which people can go to the off-license. So presumably we will have more people in a confined space or queuing up outside.

If they combine this with the other floated measure of reducing how much you can buy at one time, we can now add in multiple trips to the off-license by people - thus increasing the risk of contracting Covid even further.

Any reasonably intelligent person can see the issues with this by considering it for a couple of minutes and yet we have dozens of people being paid eye-watering salaries to come up with nonsense proposals which will make the situation actually worse.


It's fcuking depressing watching theses guys slowly go about destroying the country. Incompetent does not even come close to describing this.

All in your own personal and very far from expert opinion of course.

normanoffside

average_runner wrote: »

That is to match the North. They are closing early up there, so want to stop people coming south

Don't worry, given our prices they won't be coming to buy booze in the South no matter what the opening hours.

end of the road

Deleted User wrote: »

Lockdown and restrictions don’t work. We have proof of that. Either the cases won’t go down at all. Or it will take months to get them down and then they’ll just start again when we stop hiding.

With that in mind, I hope for maximum restrictions today so the government/NPHET can see once again that they don’t work . Slow learners sadly.

We need the people on the 6 figure salaries to work harder and find solutions that don’t involve crippling the economy, putting half a million out of work and destroying every social aspect of life.

The sooner a vaccine arrives the better, even if it is more of a placebo. 80+ year olds will still die every day but we’ll go back to accepting that. As long as that horrific word Covid is not listed on the death certificate.

lockdowns and restrictions work and we have plenty of proof that lockdown here was a great success, and that the restrictions are successful as the virus is being suppressed and deaths are low, admissions to hospital are low and the hospitals are not being over run, even though cases are on the rise.
the economy is not being crippled, the non-essential parts and low contributing parts of the economy are being restricted, but the rest of the economy is working and there are no solutions that would avoid economic damage of some sort and job losses.
the solutions available are only able to minimise the damage that would be done due to covid 19.
we have never stopped accepting that people die, we just aren't going to allow people to unnecessarily die, or risk even more damage as a whole to our country, so somebody can go on the piss, or to possibly maybe might do something that probably couldn't be done anyway, or to placate a small minority who just will not listen to facts, science or reason.

Deleted User wrote: »

There was over 1000 cases yesterday so lockdown and restrictions haven’t worked.

Unless you consider locking down for 3 months to get a few weeks of low case numbers a success?

incorrect, lock downs and restrictions have worked as they minimised the spread, the fact there were cases as there were always going to be does not change that fact.

JeffKenna wrote: »

People became disillusioned with the lockdown. Whatever about the politics behind it, the BLM protests were a turning point as they received little criticism for breaking restrictions. It can't be one rule for some and not for others.

the blm protests were just an excuse for those who were going to stop following everything anyway, to do so. if it wasn't the blm protests it would have been something else.

Idbatterim wrote: »

Long story short and some of you guys here have said it. If they are so comcerned with cases, the only way you will get them back down, is with a draconian lockdown. Because unlike in march when this hit, people now know it for the mickey mouse virus it is , their behaviour has changed, based on the evidence of the last few months. The cats out of the bag...

no no, a number of people have decided either based on nothing, based on conspiricy theorist and headbanger nonsense, based on alternative facts or 1 specific aspect such as the virus being mostly controled, that this is a micky mouse virus and have decided to stop doing the bare minimal things that are being asked of them accordingly, because they are special.
the ironic thing is that we might end up with no option but to have a real lock down to get them to get the message.
none of us want that, but these individuals are increasing that possibility, rather then just doing what is asked of them.

Denny61

You either close the off licences or not..reducing the opening times does nothing. All it does is create larger numbers of people moving to a certain premises within a smaller time frame..who are the muppets that think.this will solve something..

hynesie08

They close the off license at 6, the house parties will just start at 7.......

Limit people to 8 cans, they'll just buy a bottle of gin......

Do they actually think the sesh heads will just give up if they can't get a slab.....

charlie14

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Charlie, I’ll summarise this, I asked for a link in print.

The answer was no.

I told you Fintan I`m sick and tired of posting factual verifiable data that others know quite well to be true but just use the first rubbish that comes into their head attempting to make it appear otherwise.
How many times alone over different threads have I had to deal with your posts attempting to portray the deaths in Sweden as just being due to the number of their population being aged over 65 as if it was a universal truth ?
Time after time after time I have shown you that when the same theory is applied to Sweden`s Nordic neighbours, if ALL deaths in some of those countries were over 65`s your theory is out by a factor of 10.
Yet time after time after time you keep re-posting the same.
I have told you if you are genuinely interested where all the information is. You have even been on the relevant thread. I am not going to keep banging my head of a brick wall, especially for people that regardless of their argument being clearly shown to be rubbish will just keep posting the same rubbish.

ShyMets

hynesie08 wrote: »

They close the off license at 6, the house parties will just start at 7.......

Limit people to 8 cans, they'll just buy a bottle of gin......

Do they actually think the sesh heads will just give up if they can't get a slab.....

The problem with limiting the amount of alcohol someone can buy is that there is nothing stopping me visiting a number of off licenses and buying a six pack in each.

Probably best just to leave things as they are. But we know they wont do that

Johnboy1951

average_runner wrote: »

Off licenses also!!! Alcohol runs you down more. Strange they are kept open

but ... but ... but alcohol kills Covid!

charlie14

average_runner wrote: »

No proof immunity even exists

When it comes to naturally acquired immunity nobody knows if it does or not as there is no way to test for it, or for how long it might last if it even does exist.

Penfailed

facehugger99 wrote: »

According to RTE ' A reduction in off-license opening hours is being considered'

If anything summed up the wrong-headedness of our approach and the Government's need to be seen doing something, it is this.

A reduction in hours will achieve absolutely nothing other than to create a smaller window with which people can go to the off-license. So presumably we will have more people in a confined space or queuing up outside.

If they combine this with the other floated measure of reducing how much you can buy at one time, we can now add in multiple trips to the off-license by people - thus increasing the risk of contracting Covid even further.

Any reasonably intelligent person can see the issues with this by considering it for a couple of minutes and yet we have dozens of people being paid eye-watering salaries to come up with nonsense proposals which will make the situation actually worse.


It's fcuking depressing watching these guys slowly go about destroying the country. Incompetent does not even come close to describing this.

They've already done it in the north. Offies closed at 8pm.

Captain_Crash

charlie14 wrote: »

When it comes to naturally acquired immunity nobody knows if it does or not as there is no way to test for it, or for how long it might last if it even does exist.

I suppose that's understandable yeah, and would it be correct to say that the 80% who test positive but show no symptoms are to some degree resisting infection?

zerosugarbuzz

end of the road wrote: »

lockdowns and restrictions work and we have plenty of proof that lockdown here was a great success, and that the restrictions are successful as the virus is being suppressed and deaths are low, admissions to hospital are low and the hospitals are not being over run, even though cases are on the rise.
the economy is not being crippled, the non-essential parts and low contributing parts of the economy are being restricted, but the rest of the economy is working and there are no solutions that would avoid economic damage of some sort and job losses.
the solutions available are only able to minimise the damage that would be done due to covid 19.
we have never stopped accepting that people die, we just aren't going to allow people to unnecessarily die, or risk even more damage as a whole to our country, so somebody can go on the piss, or to possibly maybe might do something that probably couldn't be done anyway, or to placate a small minority who just will not listen to facts, science or reason.





incorrect, lock downs and restrictions have worked as they minimised the spread, the fact there were cases as there were always going to be does not change that fact.




the blm protests were just an excuse for those who were going to stop following everything anyway, to do so. if it wasn't the blm protests it would have been something else.


no no, a number of people have decided either based on nothing, based on conspiricy theorist and headbanger nonsense, based on alternative facts or 1 specific aspect such as the virus being mostly controled, that this is a micky mouse virus and have decided to stop doing the bare minimal things that are being asked of them accordingly, because they are special.
the ironic thing is that we might end up with no option but to have a real lock down to get them to get the message.
none of us want that, but these individuals are increasing that possibility, rather then just doing what is asked of them.

World Health Organisation disagrees with you, but sure dont let that stop you.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/15/lockdowns-should-be-last-resort-whos-europe-chief-says.html

zerosugarbuzz

Penfailed wrote: »

They've already done it in the north. Offies closed at 8pm.

You'd want to be mad not to be sorted by the Offie by 8pm in the weather:D

Messiah Famous Vaporizer

Messiah Famous Vaporizer wrote: »

All in your own personal and very far from expert opinion of course.

stupid point that I'll blow out of your water now OK, now listen up, two words...BLACK FRIDAY!!!!

same rationale, a prescribed and limited time to access highly required sought after goods!! The poster is right and if you are handy with arithmetic. "John needs 40 cans to sustain a weekend binge..john can no longer get said cans in one efficient and Covid reduced risk visit..johns bounty of cans are still available to john albeit but in sections of 8!!
How many journeys will john make to sustain & complete his run!! how motivated is john given he has no social life, cannot visit his friends, family, gym or even church to seek solace in the word of the great almighty!!

JOHN is VERY MOTIVATED!

the trust fund baby is not amused!

CruelSummer

The optics here are terrible. Closing down the country&many businesses unnecessarily - many of whom may never reopen, and Simon is getting awarded for his early pandemic work...

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/simon-harris-to-receive-award-for-his-admirable-work-as-minister-for-health-39640823.html

I don’t have anything against Simon Harris, but it’s far too early to start awarding people when we’re still in the middle of a serious crisis.

end of the road

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

World Health Organisation disagrees with you, but sure dont let that stop you.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/15/lockdowns-should-be-last-resort-whos-europe-chief-says.html

this would be the same world health organisation who were being dismissed when the information they were giving out didn't suit the old agenda?
funny how they are being quoted now.

average_runner

ShyMets wrote: »

The problem with limiting the amount of alcohol someone can buy is that there is nothing stopping me visiting a number of off licenses and buying a six pack in each.

Probably best just to leave things as they are. But we know they wont do that

Or they just find something else like drugs

Maxpfizer

Denny61 wrote: »

You either close the off licences or not..reducing the opening times does nothing. All it does is create larger numbers of people moving to a certain premises within a smaller time frame..who are the muppets that think.this will solve something..

If your goal was to create the appearance of doing something useful, instead of actually doing something useful, it's a pretty good idea though.

The people who seem convinced house parties and people drinking at home are the problem will feel satisfied knowing that drinkers will now have to deal with a minor inconvenience before doing their thing.

You could easily brainstorm any number of issues with this.

You'll get more people queuing in the mornings to get drink.
You'll get a larger rush at the end of the day as closing time approaches.
You'll get an increase in people who will go more frequently to the off license.
You'll get an increase in the number of people going to various different off licenses.

Did we already learn what happens when you try to restrict access to drink over all those Easter weekends?

stephenjmcd

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

You'd want to be mad not to be sorted by the Offie by 8pm in the weather:D

Don't know about anyway else but I usually go into the supermarket early afternoon or evening. By 8pm I'm either sat with a few bottles watching netflix or the playstation is on.

Whats the next pointless restriction

Rrrrrr2

CruelSummer wrote: »

The optics here are terrible. Closing down the country&many businesses unnecessarily - many of whom may never reopen, and Simon is getting awarded for his early pandemic work...

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/simon-harris-to-receive-award-for-his-admirable-work-as-minister-for-health-39640823.html

I don’t have anything against Simon Harris, but it’s far too early to start awarding people when we’re still in the middle of a serious crisis.

Elites backslapping other elites- shocker!

Rrrrrr2

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Don't know about anyway else but I usually go into the supermarket early afternoon or evening. By 8pm I'm either sat with a few bottles watching netflix or the playstation is on.

Whats the next pointless restriction

Well we’ve done masks so I think we should do goldfish bowls next

Idbatterim

Denny61 wrote: »

You either close the off licences or not..reducing the opening times does nothing. All it does is create larger numbers of people moving to a certain premises within a smaller time frame..who are the muppets that think.this will solve something..

There is no chance of off licences being closed. Zero!

CruelSummer

CruelSummer wrote: »

The optics here are terrible. Closing down the country&many businesses unnecessarily - many of whom may never reopen, and Simon is getting awarded for his early pandemic work...

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/simon-harris-to-receive-award-for-his-admirable-work-as-minister-for-health-39640823.html

I don’t have anything against Simon Harris, but it’s far too early to start awarding people when we’re still in the middle of a serious crisis.

We are in the middle of a crisis yet we are closing places unnecessarily?? Bit of a contradiction?

Penfailed

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

World Health Organisation disagrees with you, but sure dont let that stop you.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/15/lockdowns-should-be-last-resort-whos-europe-chief-says.html

Erm...it is a last resort though.