Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

RoryMac · 18-10-2020 08:51PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Yeah the HSE are poaching staff from nursing homes to try and keep the hospitals going, more people are being admitted to hospital every day with covid, but sure lets just ignore all that and keep going, be grand.

I'd love to know how many are being admitted to hospital because of Covid and how many are admitted them tested and found to have Covid

MadYaker · 18-10-2020 08:52PM

walus wrote: »

How did the French and Germans got their 100% and 50% ICU bed capacity ramp up implemented? Where did the personnel come from?

I can't find anything about that with a quick google search. They didn't train up a load of doctors and nurses in 6 months anyway because it's not possible. They have always had far more excess capacity in their health system than we have, same in France.

Penfailed · 18-10-2020 08:52PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Is there anything to be said for opening pubs again?

They are open.

MadYaker · 18-10-2020 08:53PM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

You’ve described exactly where I’m at- I don’t care about Covid 19- I’m not stopping anyone else from implementing their own measures if they feel different to me. I’ll own my health and you can own yours

I'll be alright so fcuk everyone else? That's a lovely attitude.

Rrrrrr2 · 18-10-2020 09:01PM

MadYaker wrote: »

I'll be alright so fcuk everyone else? That's a lovely attitude.

That’s exactly what I didn’t say- see there’s this thing that’s called “being an adult and making adult choices“ and people being responsible for oneself as an adult.
So if you’re fat, overweight, a smoker with a poor respiratory system, any number of major underlying conditions that effect YOUR body then you have to own that and make choices accordingly. The best I can do for you is continue to work, pay taxes to support the healthcare you need. That becomes a major problem longer term when the economy is continually undermined and eroded.

FrogmanBegins · 18-10-2020 09:02PM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

That’s exactly what I didn’t say- see there’s this thing that’s called “being an adult and making adult choices“ and people being responsible for oneself as an adult.
So if you’re fat, overweight, a smoker with a poor respiratory system, any number of major underlying confound that effect YOUR body then you have to own that and make choices accordingly. The best I can do for you is continue to work, pay taxes to support the healthcare you need. That becomes a major problem longer term when the economy is continually undermined and eroded.

Ah sure we can just borrow indefinitely. It's not like that money has to be repaid or anything

MadYaker · 18-10-2020 09:04PM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

That’s exactly what I didn’t say- see there’s this thing that’s called “being an adult and making adult choices“ and people being responsible for oneself as an adult.
So if you’re fat, overweight, a smoker with a poor respiratory system, any number of major underlying conditions that effect YOUR body then you have to own that and make choices accordingly. The best I can do for you is continue to work, pay taxes to support the healthcare you need. That becomes a major problem longer term when the economy is continually undermined and eroded.

More crying about the economy. You realise 30% of the population are over 60 or have a condition that puts them at higher risk? These aren't people in nursing homes. Teachers, senior doctors and nurses, gardai, judges etc The country can't function with 30% of its population under house arrest.

FrogmanBegins · 18-10-2020 09:06PM

MadYaker wrote: »

More crying about the economy. You realise 30% of the population are over 60 or have a condition that puts them at higher risk? These aren't people in nursing homes. Teachers, senior doctors and nurses, gardai, judges etc The country can't function with 30% of its population under house arrest.

Are you not concerned about the economic fallout from all the lockdowns and borrowing?

bucketybuck · 18-10-2020 09:07PM

Penfailed wrote: »

They are open.

Your posts are the dictionary definition of disingenuous.

Rrrrrr2 · 18-10-2020 09:07PM

FrogmanBegins wrote: »

Ah sure we can just borrow indefinitely. It's not like that money has to be repaid or anything

It won’t be repaid but the key thing is it needs to be serviced- which comes from the yearly state tax take- so less money going forward for future healthcare, social welfare, education etc etc
All from a much reduced economy. Grim times ahead.

bucketybuck · 18-10-2020 09:09PM

MadYaker wrote: »

More crying about the economy.

The economy, that silly little thing that doesn't really matter. Sure who needs it.

MadYaker · 18-10-2020 09:09PM

FrogmanBegins wrote: »

Are you not concerned about the economic fallout from all the lockdowns and borrowing?

Of course I am, we all are. But that fallout is being is being massively overstated in this thread as a roundabout way of justifying the position that any and all restrictions are pointless. Some people live in a dream land where if the gov cancelled all restrictions tomorrow life would return to 100% normal and we'd have no problems at all.

Rrrrrr2 · 18-10-2020 09:09PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Your posts are the dictionary definition of disingenuous.

I barely read these posts but what pubs are actually open?
There’s a couple around me that do take away food and an off license. Is that what they mean? Pubs aren’t open so

18-10-2020 09:10PM

MadYaker wrote: »

More crying about the economy. You realise 30% of the population are over 60 or have a condition that puts them at higher risk? These aren't people in nursing homes. Teachers, senior doctors and nurses, gardai, judges etc The country can't function with 30% of its population under house arrest.

Median age of deaths is 88 and very unhealthy.
I really don’t think 30% of the population are at risk.

The most selfish thing is expecting to keep half a million out of work and the whole country living under heavy restrictions for the minority who are vulnerable and/or just afraid.

bucketybuck · 18-10-2020 09:11PM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

I barely read these posts but what pubs are actually open?
There’s a couple around me that do take away food and an off license. Is that what they mean? Pubs aren’t open so

He knows that, knows it full well.

Rrrrrr2 · 18-10-2020 09:11PM

MadYaker wrote: »

More crying about the economy. You realise 30% of the population are over 60 or have a condition that puts them at higher risk? These aren't people in nursing homes. Teachers, senior doctors and nurses, gardai, judges etc The country can't function with 30% of its population under house arrest.

“More crying about the economy”- sweet Jesus

MadYaker · 18-10-2020 09:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Median age of deaths is 88 and very unhealthy.
I really don’t think 30% of the population are at risk.

The most selfish thing is expecting to keep half a million out of work and the whole country living under heavy restrictions for the minority who are vulnerable and/or just afraid.

What you think is not relevant it's been stated by the HSE. It's similar in most EU countries and even higher in the USA.

Rrrrrr2 · 18-10-2020 09:12PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

He knows that, knows it full well.

Yea I’d imagine so. Just being deliberately disingenuous

walus · 18-10-2020 09:14PM

MadYaker wrote: »

I can't find anything about that with a quick google search. They didn't train up a load of doctors and nurses in 6 months anyway because it's not possible. They have always had far more excess capacity in their health system than we have, same in France.

I have a problem understanding how other countries can do it, and Ireland, once again, is so special and unique in its own fabulous way that what those countries did would not or could not work for us because of this, that and other. I’m sick and tired to listening to those excuses that cannot be backed up by any solid evidence and reason.

Same goes for a focused approach and protection of vulnerable and elderly. It cannot be done I hear. I say throw 5 bn at it and you will see that it can be done. Especially in such a small country as Ireland.

Penfailed · 18-10-2020 09:17PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Your posts are the dictionary definition of disingenuous.

They must have moved the definition of factual in your dictionary.

MadYaker · 18-10-2020 09:17PM

walus wrote: »

I have a problem understanding how other countries can do it, and Ireland, once again, is so special and unique in its own fabulous way that what those countries did would not or could not work for us because of this, that and other. I’m sick and tired to listening to those excuses that cannot be backed up by any solid evidence and reason.

Same goes for a focused approach and protection of vulnerable and elderly. It cannot be done I hear. I say throw 5 bn at it and you will see that it can be done. Especially in such a small country as Ireland.

So you reckon we can lock up 1 out of every 3 people in the country. You honestly think that's a way forward?

Penfailed · 18-10-2020 09:19PM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

I barely read these posts but what pubs are actually open?
There’s a couple around me that do take away food and an off license. Is that what they mean? Pubs aren’t open so

There are four pubs open in my nearest town. It's difficult to secure a spot as they are being strict with the numbers. So, yeah...open.

Rrrrrr2 · 18-10-2020 09:20PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Median age of deaths is 88 and very unhealthy.
I really don’t think 30% of the population are at risk.

The most selfish thing is expecting to keep half a million out of work and the whole country living under heavy restrictions for the minority who are vulnerable and/or just afraid.

I’ve spoken to several old people during this- guess what they all said? Get the economy open and let the young people live and work- there seems to be a narrative that old people are all cowering in fear sat at home wanting young people to be in some imagined state of paralysis like they (aren’t)

walus · 18-10-2020 09:21PM

MadYaker wrote: »

So you reckon we can lock up 1 out of every 3 people in the country. You honestly think that's a way forward?

Are you sure that you got your facts correct? Does Ireland really have 30% of population vulnerable i.e with underlying conditions (diabetes, cardiovascular and respiratory chronic diseases etc.). Or you simply assume that everybody over 60 years of age is vulnerable?

I personally think that if we took a closer look that group of people it would be much smaller. Definitely less than 3-5%.

Rrrrrr2 · 18-10-2020 09:21PM

Penfailed wrote: »

There are four pubs open in my nearest town. It's difficult to secure a spot as they are being strict with the numbers. So, yeah...open.

So serving food outdoors to a max of 15- can you can spell it for us please?

Penfailed · 18-10-2020 09:23PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Median age of deaths is 88 and very unhealthy.
I really don’t think 30% of the population are at risk.

The most selfish thing is expecting to keep half a million out of work and the whole country living under heavy restrictions for the minority who are vulnerable and/or just afraid.

The median age is 83 - https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcases/

Rrrrrr2 · 18-10-2020 09:24PM

walus wrote: »

Are you sure that you got your facts correct? Does Ireland really have 30% of population vulnerable i.e with underlying conditions (diabetes, cardiovascular and respiratory chronic diseases etc.). Or you simply assume that everybody over 60 years of age is vulnerable?

There’s 60 ish years olds I train with in my gym. Train me under the table anyday! I’m sure they’d be delighted to hear they’re so vulnerable. Hard to believe I guess for the hypochondriac brigade that age doesn’t equal being at threat of Covid deaths door

FintanMcluskey · 18-10-2020 09:25PM

MadYaker wrote: »

More crying about the economy. You realise 30% of the population are over 60 or have a condition that puts them at higher risk? These aren't people in nursing homes. Teachers, senior doctors and nurses, gardai, judges etc The country can't function with 30% of its population under house arrest.

But 30% vulnerable isn’t correct.

50k cases, spread across the population.

30% is 16k, -2k deaths would be 14k vulnerable who tested positive while vulnerable. Did 14k require hospitalisation? Or does vulnerable not necessarily mean it requires hospital treatment?

Also the 50k positive rests are about 10% of the WHOs projected figures so that blows the argument further out of the water.

Of course, and this makes me smile the most having these conversations, the WHO have lost all credibility with those most enamoured with lockdowns, because they say they should only be used to buy time and build hospital capacity, not as a plan to live with Covid.

Penfailed · 18-10-2020 09:26PM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

So serving food outdoors to a max of 15- can you can spell it for us please?

Sorry, I've read that ^^^ four times and I can't understand your question.

18-10-2020 09:26PM

Penfailed wrote: »

The median age is 83 - https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcases/

I stand corrected on that so.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings