Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Rrrrrr2

Penfailed wrote: »

You don't think pubs (or that...?) will reopen next year?! Aren't you a ray of sunshine.

It's not about "being a ray of sun shine"- they've opened for two weeks since March...what in the name of all that's good and holy do you think is going to change in 2021? And please don't say "we'll get a vaccine"

People either want lockdowns/restrictions or they don't- if you want them and think they work then own them- because nothing is going to change into the future.
You could outline to us when you think they'll re-open and on what basis.

KennisWhale

faceman wrote: »

Indo has the leaks on what will be likely announced tomorrow. Its the guts of level 5 for 3-4 weeks

5km travel restriction
Eviction ban
Essential shops open
Schools and creches open
Bubbles of some sort will be permitted
eviction moratorium

I would hope that gyms get classed as essential this time. The weather isn't as good anymore and the best weapon to fight the virus is to keep healthy with diet and exercise. To close them would display an ignorance to science.

sabat

MadYaker wrote: »

That's all a bit dramatic. Society is actually still functioning reasonably well all things considered. The economy isn't on the verge of ruin. Did you see the budget? Unemployment is up which is obviously bad but we aren't facing a recession as bad as 2008 and public finances are stable well into next year. Our gov can still borrow for free at the moment.

Utter delusion. The complete opposite of the truth.

Captain_Crash

I’m starting to think more and more that the eventual end to this won’t be the government removing restrictions but a mutiny of sorts from restaurants and small businesses who are looking at bankruptcy.

We might end up in a scenario where on a large scale a pub/shop/barber etc will have a choice of stay closed and that’s it for good, or saying “f this” and open in an attempt to save the business, knowing that worst case scenario you’ll just be closed again anyway!

The reason I think this is a possibility is because one of my closest friends is a small business owner who is likely facing this very choice within the next couple of weeks!

FintanMcluskey

Nonoperational wrote: »

I’m sure you’ve posted previously about this, but I’ve gone back a bit and can’t find. Would you be so good as to post where you found this information?

Thanks

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/#617ac0615247

It’s one of a few online that highlight some of the potential shortcomings.

I’m obviously not going to get into a debate with you on in the issue as my posts will hold no weight whatsoever when compared to your profession.

I will say, you don’t need the faux politeness when addressing me, the one previous time you addressed me you asked me to “meet you in person” for some reason.

Rrrrrr2

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Absolutely susie- once brought in level 5 will be there until April, slight easing perhaps to mixes of level 3/4 and that right through 2021. Rinse and repeat- this is reality based on what has gone on since March. If anything the mania has actually upped a few notches.
Only thing this time is you’ll much easier get your hair and nails done privately as most people are not interested in doing the march to June farce in full again abs will need to do a bit to survive

The mind boggling stupidly of people is demonstrated very well by this post. Oh we are stuck in restrictions because the virus is spreading but this time no one will heed them and just mix anyway thus spreading the virus and prolonging the lockdowns.

Like can you not see what you are saying? It is people who behave like this that have caused the virus to peak again and to put us into another lockdown. It’s not the majorly if people who are staying at home, not mixing with lots of people, not meeting friends or going for pints etc that are spreading it. The selfishness is beyond belief and everyone on PUP can look look in the direction of the people described above when looking to apportion blame.

Fines and curfews are going to be needed to deal with these stupid stupid people. Any business operating illegally should be permanently prevented from trading also.

Rrrrrr2

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I’m starting to think more and more that the eventual end to this won’t be the government removing restrictions but a mutiny of sorts from restaurants and small businesses who are looking at bankruptcy.

We might end up in a scenario where on a large scale a pub/shop/barber etc will have a choice of stay closed and that’s it for good, or saying “f this” and open in an attempt to save the business, knowing that worst case scenario you’ll just be closed again anyway!

The reason I think this is a possibility is because one of my closest friends is a small business owner who is likely facing this very choice within the next couple of weeks!

I've said that myself- the only way out is mass non compliance with this bull****. People that want lockdowns can vote with their feet and lockdown themselves. Absolutely nothing or no oen stopping them from doing so.

Rrrrrr2

KennisWhale wrote: »

I would hope that gyms get classed as essential this time. The weather isn't as good anymore and the best weapon to fight the virus is to keep healthy with diet and exercise. To close them would display an ignorance to science.

I doubt they will- the people implementing all this stuff are definitely not gym goers- they generally go from the overweight (Holohan) to could-be Dracula extras like Glynn or the likes of Ryan or Harris.

Penfailed

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

It's not about "being a ray of sun shine"- they've opened for two weeks since March...what in the name of all that's good and holy do you think is going to change in 2021? And please don't say "we'll get a vaccine"

People either want lockdowns/restrictions or they don't- if you want them and think they work then own them- because nothing is going to change into the future.
You could outline to us when you think they'll re-open and on what basis.

I was at the pub last Saturday. They've been open for almost a month now.

AlphaDelta1

NPHET have been proven correct. L5 was needed some weeks ago to break the chain of transmission. Looks like we've wasted weeks on trusting politicians over health experts.

FintanMcluskey

sabat wrote: »

Utter delusion. The complete opposite of the truth.

One of the EUs highest numbers of job losses, Pascal said a few weeks ago that if the job losses increase Ireland would not be able to access money as easily as its repayment ability is in jeopardy.

All grand though seemingly, 100bn will be no issue for our kids to pay off

While also paying to improve the health service

If that money was borrowed for improvement in infrastructure and services it would be an achievement,however it’s the equivalent of borrowing money to blow on cocaine and holidays, nothing to show for it

RoryMac

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

NPHET have been proven correct. L5 was needed some weeks ago to break the chain of transmission. Looks like we've wasted weeks on trusting politicians over health experts.

There's 33 people in ICU with Covid, it's a massive overreaction by NPHET

KennisWhale

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

I doubt they will- the people implementing all this stuff are definitely not gym goers- they generally go from the overweight (Holohan) to could-be Dracula extras like Glynn or the likes of Ryan or Harris.

I have to agree. The physical state of the politicians and NPHET heads we see don't inspire confidence that taking care of oneself is the best defence to covid. They would rather just have a vaccine or a pill take care of their health.

It's a hypocritical situation On the one hand, we have direct links to cancer with processed pork and heart disease link with too much beef and dairy but they are not banned from supermarkets (which they should be, for more than just health reasons) - we even have the government allowing slaughterhouses to remain open.

As such, there is this personal responsibility, "you can eat that crap and damage your health but it's your own choice". Yet, on the other hand, with covid, personal responsibility is completely neglected - the equivalent would be, "live your life but this is the guidance which you should follow or you could get covid". Of course, this is not the case; society is heavily restricted with personal freedoms stripped even for those that want to make their own choice. It is hypocritical. To me, I do not have faith in public servants in this country due to hypocritical positions like these.

Real Donald Trump

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

NPHET have been proven correct. L5 was needed some weeks ago to break the chain of transmission. Looks like we've wasted weeks on trusting politicians over health experts.

NCHET have had months to get their house in order.

average_runner

KennisWhale wrote: »

I have to agree. The physical state of the politicians and NPHET heads we see don't inspire confidence that taking care of oneself is the best defence to covid. They would rather just have a vaccine or a pill take care of their health.

It's a hypocritical situation On the one hand, we have direct links to cancer with processed pork and heart disease link with too much beef and dairy but they are not banned from supermarkets (which they should be, for more than just health reasons) - we even have the government allowing slaughterhouses to remain open.

As such, there is this personal responsibility, "you can eat that crap and damage your health but it's your own choice". Yet, on the other hand, with covid, personal responsibility is completely neglected - the equivalent would be, "live your life but this is the guidance which you should follow or you could get covid". Of course, this is not the case; society is heavily restricted with personal freedoms stripped even for those that want to make their own choice. It is hypocritical. To me, I do not have faith in public servants in this country due to hypocritical positions like these.

If you decide to do something bad for your own health, that is limited to you. Covid isn't.

Government be better off following uk restrictions , ie leave businesses open, but fine anyone found breaking the rules and strip licenses off pubs that misbehave.

Pub pods needs to be kept to families like uk.

Bring in a law for gardai to enter houses suspected of breaking the rules and fine all in breaking the rules.

Therefore limiting impact on economy

Kermit.de.frog

RoryMac wrote: »

There's 33 people in ICU with Covid, it's a massive overreaction by NPHET

That figure can change like very fast. They are correct to be proactive rather than reactive.

KennisWhale

average_runner wrote: »

If you decide to do something bad for your own health, that is limited to you. Covid isn't.

Government be better off following uk restrictions , ie leave businesses open, but fine anyone found breaking the rules and strip licenses off pubs that misbehave.

Pub pods needs to be kept to families like uk.

Bring in a law for gardai to enter houses suspected of breaking the rules and fine all in breaking the rules.

Therefore limiting impact on economy

No way. This is extremely heavy handed for the low health impact covid has on the vast majority of society. It is dangerous when minds like yours are given a platform, it is how authoritative regimes take over.

average_runner

KennisWhale wrote: »

No way. This is extremely heavy handed for the low health impact covid has on the vast majority of society. It is dangerous when minds like yours are given a platform, it is how authoritative regimes take over.

Well then just open right up and go free for all.

walus

I would love to hear what the Swedes say when they watch current cv-19 news from all over Europe. How are they planning these next two months in a lead up to Christmas?

Rrrrrr2

walus wrote: »

I would love to hear what the Swedes say when they watch current cv-19 news from all over Europe. How are they planning these next two months in a lead up to Christmas?

I’d say they’re too busy living their lives to care. If I was them I certainly wouldn’t

average_runner

walus wrote: »

I would love to hear what the Swedes say when they watch current cv-19 news from all over Europe. How are they planning these next two months in a lead up to Christmas?

Well from the people I know there they camt believe the attitude of the general public. Especially parties in pubs and people not isolating when waiting or have covid

Tenzor07

Gael23 wrote: »

Are they going to bring in the 5km rule?

Can't see the 5k rule coming back unless you massively increase Garda checkpoints and make it a penal offense if you're found to be breaking the 5k, otherwise they can stick it so far up their asses it will never see light again!

Tenzor07

average_runner wrote: »

Well then just open right up and go free for all.

There's no inbetween way with those who think like you is there? No "boxing clever" just black and white.. sad.

end of the road

RoryMac wrote: »

There's 33 people in ICU with Covid, it's a massive overreaction by NPHET

and it is because of our approach that the number of ICU admissions is low.
so given we want to keep them low and insure we don't run out of capacity, this is clearly not an over reaction by nphet.

KennisWhale wrote: »

I have to agree. The physical state of the politicians and NPHET heads we see don't inspire confidence that taking care of oneself is the best defence to covid. They would rather just have a vaccine or a pill take care of their health.

It's a hypocritical situation On the one hand, we have direct links to cancer with processed pork and heart disease link with too much beef and dairy but they are not banned from supermarkets (which they should be, for more than just health reasons) - we even have the government allowing slaughterhouses to remain open.

As such, there is this personal responsibility, "you can eat that crap and damage your health but it's your own choice". Yet, on the other hand, with covid, personal responsibility is completely neglected - the equivalent would be, "live your life but this is the guidance which you should follow or you could get covid". Of course, this is not the case; society is heavily restricted with personal freedoms stripped even for those that want to make their own choice. It is hypocritical. To me, I do not have faith in public servants in this country due to hypocritical positions like these.

absolute nonsense, personal responsibility is the whole point of our approach, it's why we haven't had so far any punishments for breaching restrictions.
the people going on about personal responsibility are the ones trying to actually prevent it from happening because they rail against at best or don't abide by at worst, everything that is implemented to allow personal responsibility to operate and work effectively and achieve something.
food products are not contagious viruses, they are food products. covid on the other hand is a contagious virus, which causes effects as a whole regardless of whether one actually gets it or not, and that is why we have restrictions, to minimise the spread of the virus and minimise any damage as much as is possible to do so.
you want personal responsibility, then abide by what is being asked of you, it's not actually very much in reality.

Rrrrrr2

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Can't see the 5k rule coming back unless you massively increase Garda checkpoints and make it a penal offense if you're found to be breaking the 5k, otherwise they can stick it so far up their asses it will never see light again!

I’d say it will be back- they seem hellbent on a March Mk2- apparently that was some kind of rip roaring “success” on planet Covid

average_runner

Tenzor07 wrote: »

There's no inbetween way with those who think like you is there? No "boxing clever" just black and white.. sad.

I wish there was, but I just cant see the general public capable of it.

average_runner

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

I’d say it will be back- they seem hellbent on a March Mk2- apparently that was some kind of rip roaring “success” on planet Covid

Current way not working, level 2 failed, level 3 failing. Level 4 or 5 will fail unless its enforce.

The plan I heard is to open pubs for xmas if numbers go down

Tenzor07

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

I’d say it will be back- they seem hellbent on a March Mk2- apparently that was some kind of rip roaring “success” on planet Covid

They can get f**ed it's one thing to restrict people to their county but the 5k does nothing apart from take the Gardai away from such things as crime prevention and arresting drug dealers and joyriders etc...

acequion

KennisWhale wrote: »

No way. This is extremely heavy handed for the low health impact covid has on the vast majority of society. It is dangerous when minds like yours are given a platform, it is how authoritative regimes take over.

Oh for god's sake!! :rolleyes: You don't think imposing a lockdown on all citizens after months of the harshest restrictions in Europe isn't the stuff of an "authoritative regime"? NPHET, especially Tony Holohan isn't heavy handed in your opinion?

This bull**** of "policing by consent" with no consequences to flouting the rules is, along with Govt incompetence and hiding behind NPHET, the reason we're all being frogmarched back into a soul destroying lockdown. Level 3 restrictions would work fine if they were properly enforced like they are in other countries.

Tenzor07

average_runner wrote: »

I wish there was, but I just cant see the general public capable of it.

Have some faith! Despite what the resident cranks on here think, the majority of people have been doing everything asked of them....