Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

funnydoggy · 18-10-2020 07:58PM

Just hugged two colleagues as their last day in work was today. I wouldn't do it with anyone but they were okay with it so I was.

Felt strange but absolutely lovely. Definitely took hugs for granted.

celt262 · 18-10-2020 07:59PM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Nphet and haven’t the first clue what they are doing which has been obvious really since March

They know exactly what they are doing.

Rrrrrr2 · 18-10-2020 08:00PM

celt262 wrote: »

They know exactly what they are doing.

Which is?

Rrrrrr2 · 18-10-2020 08:01PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Just hugged two colleagues as their last day in work was today. I wouldn't do it with anyone but they were okay with it so I was.

Felt strange but absolutely lovely. Definitely took hugs for granted.

Good for you- that’s what life is for- living. And not being a paranoid robot

celt262 · 18-10-2020 08:02PM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Which is?

Lockdown and reduce numbers they dont care about anything other than getting numbers down.

manniot2 · 18-10-2020 08:04PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Just hugged two colleagues as their last day in work was today. I wouldn't do it with anyone but they were okay with it so I was.

Felt strange but absolutely lovely. Definitely took hugs for granted.

shame on you. im calling joe duffy.

funnydoggy · 18-10-2020 08:05PM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Good for you- that’s what life is for- living. And not being a paranoid robot

Totally

No need for us to be paranoid either - we take every necessary precaution in work and were comfortable with it.

funnydoggy · 18-10-2020 08:05PM

manniot2 wrote: »

shame on you. im calling joe duffy.

"I've a man from Clontarf"

FrogmanBegins · 18-10-2020 08:07PM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Restrictions and lockdowns have become this kind of bizarre fetish- you and I know know they won’t work. We’ve proven already they don’t work. Nphet and haven’t the first clue what they are doing which has been obvious really since March

I don't understand what people think is going to be different after this lockdown. The government and HSE didn't get their house in order after lockdown number one so why do people think this one will be different? Einstein's definition of insanity on full display.

MadYaker · 18-10-2020 08:12PM

FrogmanBegins wrote: »

I don't understand what people think is going to be different after this lockdown. The government and HSE didn't get their house in order after lockdown number one so why do people think this one will be different? Einstein's definition of insanity on full display.

Were you expecting us to magic up a load of doctors and nurses in 6 months? What choice have we got? If we continue as we are the health system will be overrun.

snowcat · 18-10-2020 08:13PM

celt262 wrote: »

Lockdown and reduce numbers they dont care about anything other than getting numbers down.

Absolutely it is like asking a cancer doctor if he would recommend spending 200 million of public money to save an 88 year olds life. He will say definitely. This lockdown is costing 250 million a week for a disease that is taking less than 10 people a day. No drug program in the history of health would have been able to justify the expense that we are proposing.

FrogmanBegins · 18-10-2020 08:13PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Were you expecting us to magic up a load of doctors and nurses in 6 months?

So what's the plan then going into 2021? Lock down over and over until the country collapses? Also I'd prefer if youd drop the unwarranted snark please

funnydoggy · 18-10-2020 08:14PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Were you expecting us to magic up a load of doctors and nurses in 6 months?

Is a more capable healthcare system a stretch?

Rrrrrr2 · 18-10-2020 08:14PM

FrogmanBegins wrote: »

I don't understand what people think is going to be different after this lockdown. The government and HSE didn't get their house in order after lockdown number one so why do people think this one will be different? Einstein's definition of insanity on full display.

Absolutely nothing. Just billions more in debt. I strongly believe this next lockdown is not going to bring down the numbers at all because none of it addressees where the real spread is- families within private homes and private interactions in homes. I realise there’s hysterical posters that want to bring in the army to knock down people’s doors etc to enforce “rules” but that’s simply not going to happen.
There was a flurry of buy in last March that just isn’t there this time- mainly due to the fact the great majority are not consciously or even subconsciously worried like in March- I know I’m not. I’m multiple times more worried about the economy, the other physical and mental health effects this is all having.

Rrrrrr2 · 18-10-2020 08:16PM

FrogmanBegins wrote: »

So what's the plan then going into 2021? Lock down over and over until the country collapses? Also I'd prefer if youd drop the unwarranted snark please

Well if you follow this from March and what’s unfolded since then, then yes that’s absolutely where this is all headed

18-10-2020 08:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The restrictions are not working so let’s introduce more restrictive restrictions like we had before that also didn’t work and hope that this time they do work.

That’s the best our government and NPHET can come up with.

For anyone thinking a vaccine will help, the ones that look close to approval don’t actually prevent you from getting Covid, they just make it less severe.

Whether that’s any use to our 75+ with severe underlying issues remains to be seen.

Except the strict restrictions 100% worked or are you denying we got from similar case numbers as now down to single digit case numbers per day? That is in anyone’s book a massive success.

The problem was we opened up too much and too fast before we had driven the virus down to almost non existant and then imported cases through open airports.

MadYaker · 18-10-2020 08:18PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Is a more capable healthcare system a stretch?

Define more capable? We need more capacity. Capacity requires more personnel. That can't happen in 7 months it takes years.

CruelSummer · 18-10-2020 08:19PM

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-social-bubbles-eviction-ban-and-5km-travel-restriction-under-consideration-for-new-covid-19-rules-39638423.html

Interesting article in the Independent, putting out there that the 5km limit may be re-introduced...why?? Am I going to catch Covid walking by the sea? Or trying to get some exercise? These are the kind of stupid restrictions that do nothing to control Covid & everything to control us. They are also completely unworkable outside of Dublin.
It also states that there are no more people on trolleys in hospitals than a normal October in the article...I was shocked at this as I assumed the Covid cases and hospital admissions were putting extra pressure on the system...what on Earth are we increasing restrictions for? And once again becoming the outlier of Europe?
The economic destruction this is causing is immense and has to be a priority. Why are we putting our country into such a vulnerable position?

FrogmanBegins · 18-10-2020 08:20PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Define more capable? We need more capacity. Capacity requires more personnel. That can't happen in 7 months it takes years.

Because we train all our doctors and nurses for export. Our health service is so toxic and dysfunctional that a rake of them hightail it for the airport as soon an they get their qualifications

MadYaker · 18-10-2020 08:23PM

FrogmanBegins wrote: »

Because we train all our doctors and nurses for export. Our health service is so toxic and dysfunctional that a rake of them hightail it for the airport as soon an they get their qualifications

I won't disagree with you there. Buts that's not a solution to the problem we are facing.

bloopy · 18-10-2020 08:27PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-social-bubbles-eviction-ban-and-5km-travel-restriction-under-consideration-for-new-covid-19-rules-39638423.html

Interesting article in the Independent, putting out there that the 5km limit may be re-introduced...why?? Am I going to catch Covid walking by the sea? Or trying to get some exercise? These are the kind of stupid restrictions that do nothing to control Covid & everything to control us. They are also completely unworkable outside of Dublin.
It also states that there are no more people on trolleys in hospitals than a normal October in the article...I was shocked at this as I assumed the Covid cases and hospital admissions were putting extra pressure on the system...what on Earth are we increasing restrictions for? And once again becoming the outlier of Europe?
The economic destruction this is causing is immense and has to be a priority. Why are we putting our country into such a vulnerable position?

I don't think the government actually wants to increase the restrictions but are almost being forced into the position through the hyper dramatic reporting by RTE et al and the mass hysteria building on the various social media platforms.
NPHET have become an oracle of sorts and the government seems to be afraid of crossing them.
Last nights press release almost read like a 'Please calm down, we have to take into account more than cases when making a decision on restrictions' plea.

MadYaker · 18-10-2020 08:29PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-social-bubbles-eviction-ban-and-5km-travel-restriction-under-consideration-for-new-covid-19-rules-39638423.html

Interesting article in the Independent, putting out there that the 5km limit may be re-introduced...why?? Am I going to catch Covid walking by the sea? Or trying to get some exercise? These are the kind of stupid restrictions that do nothing to control Covid & everything to control us. They are also completely unworkable outside of Dublin.
It also states that there are no more people on trolleys in hospitals than a normal October in the article...I was shocked at this as I assumed the Covid cases and hospital admissions were putting extra pressure on the system...what on Earth are we increasing restrictions for? And once again becoming the outlier of Europe?
The economic destruction this is causing is immense and has to be a priority. Why are we putting our country into such a vulnerable position?

Yeah the HSE are poaching staff from nursing homes to try and keep the hospitals going, more people are being admitted to hospital every day with covid, but sure lets just ignore all that and keep going, be grand.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-17-october-2020.pdf

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1018/1172325-nursing-home-staff/

retro:electro · 18-10-2020 08:30PM

I am so over all of this in all honesty. It’s starting to feel extremely punitive. Call me ignorant call me selfish call me whatever. I really don’t care. All I know is when they come out tomorrow and tell us we are heading for X number of weeks under restrictions, they better fcuking mean it. They cannot do to us what they did last March and say one thing but mean another because it’s extremely unfair.

walus · 18-10-2020 08:35PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Define more capable? We need more capacity. Capacity requires more personnel. That can't happen in 7 months it takes years.

How did the French and Germans got their 100% and 50% ICU bed capacity ramp up implemented? Where did the personnel come from?

FrogmanBegins · 18-10-2020 08:36PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I am so over all of this in all honesty. It’s starting to feel extremely punitive. Call me ignorant call me selfish call me whatever. I really don’t care. All I know is when they come out tomorrow and tell us we are heading for X number of weeks under restrictions, they better fcuking mean it. They cannot do to us what they did last March and say one thing but mean another because it’s extremely unfair.

Well on the main thread it's like reading the inner workings of chairman Maos head with all the talk of sending in the army

FrogmanBegins · 18-10-2020 08:36PM

walus wrote: »

How did the French and Germans got their 100% and 50% ICU bed capacity ramp up implemented? Where did the personnel come from?

Having a well run country where the government actually respects the people.

manniot2 · 18-10-2020 08:39PM

bloopy wrote: »

I don't think the government actually wants to increase the restrictions but are almost being forced into the position through the hyper dramatic reporting by RTE et al and the mass hysteria building on the various social media platforms.
NPHET have become an oracle of sorts and the government seems to be afraid of crossing them.
Last nights press release almost read like a 'Please calm down, we have to take into account more than cases when making a decision on restrictions' plea.

On the money. Tony is a pr man and he has played the gombeens in this country like a fiddle. Now they bow to every move. Add that to considerable distain for Martin and Leo out there, and there’s only one winner

FrogmanBegins · 18-10-2020 08:41PM

manniot2 wrote: »

On the money. Tony is a pr man and he has played the gombeens in this country like a fiddle. Now they bow to every move. Add that to considerable distain for Martin and Leo out there, and there’s only one winner

I'm actually shocked that some people seem to think that Holohan is some sort of world class crack expert. He's a bull**** merchant. Him and his ilk have been ****ing over the health service for decades.

Fr_Dougal · 18-10-2020 08:43PM

Is there anything to be said for opening pubs again?

Rrrrrr2 · 18-10-2020 08:51PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I am so over all of this in all honesty. It’s starting to feel extremely punitive. Call me ignorant call me selfish call me whatever. I really don’t care. All I know is when they come out tomorrow and tell us we are heading for X number of weeks under restrictions, they better fcuking mean it. They cannot do to us what they did last March and say one thing but mean another because it’s extremely unfair.

You’ve described exactly where I’m at- I don’t care about Covid 19- I’m not stopping anyone else from implementing their own measures if they feel different to me. I’ll own my health and you can own yours

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings