Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It was unfeasible for the last 7 months and it didn’t stop them.

Anyway, if it’s unfeasible for that long, what will a shorter time frame achieve?

I’m struggling to understand the lack of pragmatism towards what’s happening

Exactly- my point being based on past behaviours we are looking into indefinite lockdown coupled with the winter months. Might as well accept it rather than pretending anything else

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Well of course it's unfeasible but I've outlined why it'll be so. You haven't debunked any of what or why I have said I notice. It's nothing to do with "pessimism"- wishing the virus and the insane response/s away isn't going to change a thing. Add in the chaotic winter months in Irish hospitals then absolutely lockdown is here to stay

You've outlined it by saying, well it happened previously so it'll happen again. It's not possible to debunk something that hasn't happened yet. It's a novel coronavirus therefore it hasn't happened before which means that how it has been handled hasn't happened before and is therefore impossible to forecast how it will be handled in the future.
You say lockdown is here to stay...even though we're not currently even in lockdown. I say this from a level four county.

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Exactly- my point being based on past behaviours we are looking into indefinite lockdown coupled with the winter months. Might as well accept it rather than pretending anything else

The next white elephant that can’t be discussed apparently is the vaccine, or rather the protocol around the approval of the vaccine.

It essentially neither needs to provide immunity or prevent serious symptoms to meet approval standards.

Now, I’m far from intelligent, but I would of thought that one of the prerequisites for of approval of a vaccine would be that it might actually work.

bucketybuck wrote: »

If you get a minute maybe explain that concept to those who think a vaccine is just around the corner.

Haha this again. The vaccine denial thing is truly mind boggling to me I just can't understand it :pac:

bucketybuck wrote: »

Well Penfailed can try explaining it to you this time, since you struggled with the previous explanations.

I have no doubt a vaccine is only a few months away, mainly because to gain approval it doesn’t have to do much more than a ****ing humbug mint

bettyoleary wrote: »

And to allow society to return to our normal or as close to as possible, we have to prevent the virus from overwhelming us. Restrictions are the only option we have available to do this as yet. What dont you get about that?

It’s not overwhelming us, our death levels are negligible. Our hospitals are seeing the same business/overcrowding that we see every winter season, they are not overrun with coronavirus cases.
The government had 8 months to prepare and invest in the the health system for this and they did nothing, yet kept the majority of the country closed throughout the summer when we were reporting less than 5 cases per day and it actually was safe to open.
That is not the fault of the people, that’s the ineptitude of the government.

Restrictions are not the only option. Protect the vulnerable and let the young fit healthy people get on with it, instead of saddling them with a lifetime of debt and limited opportunities over a virus that is of negligible danger to them.
What if a vaccine is years away, or we never get one? This simply isn’t sustainable or acceptable.
Shutting the entire country down ad nauseam and expecting the people to be happy about being held ransom is not the solution and not a reasonable course of action to fight a virus that appears to be only lethal to those who are above the age of the average life expectancy.
What can’t you understand about that?
Expecting more sacrifice from those who have already given up so much and lost so much is beyond selfish and disgusting.

PTH2009 wrote: »

Christmas shopping could be mayhem if they allow shops open at the start of December (thats if non essential closes in the next level of restrictions)

If shops close they won’t reopen this year so it’s unlikely to cause an issue.

SusieBlue wrote: »

It’s not overwhelming us, our death levels are negligible. Our hospitals are seeing the same business/overcrowding that we see every winter season, they are not overrun with coronavirus cases.
The government had 8 months to prepare and invest in the the health system for this and they did nothing, yet kept the majority of the country closed throughout the summer when we were reporting less than 5 cases per day and it actually was safe to open.
That is not the fault of the people, that’s the ineptitude of the government.

Restrictions are not the only option. Protect the vulnerable and let the young fit healthy people get on with it, instead of saddling them with a lifetime of debt and limited opportunities over a virus that is of negligible danger to them.
What if a vaccine is years away, or we never get one? This simply isn’t sustainable or acceptable.
Shutting the entire country down ad nauseam and expecting the people to be happy about being held ransom is not the solution and not a reasonable course of action to fight a virus that appears to be only lethal to those who are above the age of the average life expectancy.
What can’t you understand about that?
Expecting more sacrifice from those who have already given up so much and lost so much is beyond selfish and disgusting.

You're basing your opinion on a few things that aren't really accurate here.

Yeah the hospitals get busy in winter but this is the first they are at a risk of being overrun, has never happened in this country but there's a risk of it now. We have to take measures to prevent it from happening.

Protect the vulnerable and let the fit and healthy get on with it isn't realistic. 30% of the population are over 60 or have some condition that puts them at higher risk. That's nearly 1.5 million people I think. What do we do with them all? Society wouldn't function, the health and education systems would collapse.

As for a vaccine being years away or never arriving, we already know that a few will be ready by next year.

bloopy wrote: »

It appears that the government is getting a little concerned at the power NPHET seems to be gaining. Have they lost control?

NPHET becoming ‘dangerously political’ & ‘should have been stood down in summer’ say Cabinet insiders
https://extra.ie/2020/10/18/news/irish-news/nphet-becoming-dangerously-political-should-have-been-stood-down-in-summer-say-cabinet-insiders

Well they created Nphet, gave them this power and hid behind them. When you create a monster don't be surprised when it bites you in the neck.

faceman wrote: »

Indo has the leaks on what will be likely announced tomorrow. Its the guts of level 5 for 3-4 weeks

5km travel restriction
Eviction ban
Essential shops open
Schools and creches open
Bubbles of some sort will be permitted
eviction moratorium

Any idea from what day this next lockdown starts?

MadYaker wrote: »

You're basing your opinion on a few things that aren't really accurate here.

Yeah the hospitals get busy in winter but this is the first they are at a risk of being overrun, has never happened in this country but there's a risk of it now. We have to take measures to prevent it from happening.

Protect the vulnerable and let the fit and healthy get on with it isn't realistic. 30% of the population are over 60 or have some condition that puts them at higher risk. That's nearly 1.5 million people I think. What do we do with them all? Society wouldn't function, the health and education systems would collapse.

As for a vaccine being years away or never arriving, we already know that a few will be ready by next year.

So your solution is to lock everyone up instead of those who are vulnerable to this illness? How does that make more sense?
Why is it too hard and nonsensical to lock down 1.5 million people but perfectly fine to lock down 5 million people??
Society isn’t functioning as it is, btw, the economy is on the verge of ruin and it will be even worse after round 2 of level 5. This isn’t sustainable and we are wasting time and billions of euro by directing efforts at everyone instead of those who are most in need of protection.

We are burning the entire house down to kill a spider.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

If shops close they won’t reopen this year so it’s unlikely to cause an issue.

Can't see it happening either. If the bona fide of the restrictions is to limit crowds/travel/people movements then absolutely nothing is going to change in two months

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The next white elephant that can’t be discussed apparently is the vaccine, or rather the protocol around the approval of the vaccine.

It essentially neither needs to provide immunity or prevent serious symptoms to meet approval standards.

Now, I’m far from intelligent, but I would of thought that one of the prerequisites for of approval of a vaccine would be that it might actually work.

I’m sure you’ve posted previously about this, but I’ve gone back a bit and can’t find. Would you be so good as to post where you found this information?

Thanks

Nonoperational wrote: »

I’m sure you’ve posted previously about this, but I’ve gone back a bit and can’t find. Would you be so good as to post where you found this information?

Thanks

He's getting the information from people posting on Boards who say that the first round of vaccines will not prevent infection but will merely lessen the impact of infection.