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Who thinks Trump will win?

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    #5162
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    schmittel wrote: »
    Eh? Why are my posts in bad faith?

    You opened with ‘I think Trump is a moron, as is Guiliani...’

    And you have proceeded to do nothing but attack Biden and accuse him of corruption because of a private company’s decision to hire his son, all while the current a White contains pretty much the entire Trump family, who have access to confidential files and national security details.

    You haven’t a word to say about that, Just that the current situation with Biden stinks and you keep peddling the nonsense anytime someone argues with you.

    Then you, who had called Trump a moron, describe them as ‘Trump haters’.

    It is the very definition of bad faith. You are fooling nobody here.


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    #5163
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,435 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    schmittel wrote: »
    Are you saying you think the emails have been fabricated?

    At the moment all evidence points to them being fake, this could be cleared up in a matter of minutes if they sent the originals emails to people who have asked for them so they can examine the data and confirm their legitimacy.


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    #5164
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    If don. Jr was selling access to his dad to fund his drug habbit even a tweet from a new account saying that would be enough for most of the people here saying the emails and pictures of hunter smoking crack are fake.

    Joe biden allowing his son to sell access is a serious issue.


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    #5165
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    If don. Jr was selling access to his dad to fund his drug habbit even a tweet from a new account saying that would be enough for most of the people here saying the emails and pictures of hunter smoking crack are fake.

    Joe biden allowing his son to sell access is a serious issue.

    You don't find it a little odd that Giuliani won't provide the likes of USA Today with copies of the emails so they can verify them? If they can verify them, that's better for Trump.... On top of that the specific meeting didn't happen according to Biden. So we currently just have some screenshots of the most shocking content.


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    #5166
    BaZmO*
    Registered Users Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    At the moment all evidence points to them being fake, this could be cleared up in a matter of minutes if they sent the originals emails to people who have asked for them so they can examine the data and confirm their legitimacy.

    As could the Donald’s tax affairs.


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    #5167
    hometruths
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 5,801 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    At the moment all evidence points to them being fake, this could be cleared up in a matter of minutes if they sent the originals emails to people who have asked for them so they can examine the data and confirm their legitimacy.

    The FBI have copies of the originals which will no doubt help wuth establishing the veracity.

    As for other newspaper outlets, they could always try and contact the other people included on the emails. I have not seen that yet, but presumably it is something they are doing.


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    #5168
    hometruths
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 5,801 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You don't find it a little odd that Giuliani won't provide the likes of USA Today with copies of the emails so they can verify them? If they can verify them, that's better for Trump.... On top of that the specific meeting didn't happen according to Biden. So we currently just have some screenshots of the most shocking content.

    Has anybody seen a Biden denial that the emails are true?

    i.e formal statement from Hunter Biden unequivocally saying - this is not my laptop, these are not my emails, they have been faked, I never sent or received any of those emails published in the New York Post.

    I have googled it, but got lost in a sea of Russian disinformation claims.


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    #5169
    [Deleted User]
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    schmittel wrote: »
    Has anybody seen a Biden denial that the emails are true?

    i.e formal statement from Hunter Biden unequivocally saying - this is not my laptop, these are not my emails, they have been faked, I never sent or received any of those emails published in the New York Post.

    I have googled it, but got lost in a sea of Russian disinformation claims.

    Biden has specifically denied via his attorney that one of the bombastic meetings didn't occur. Guessing since the FBI are involved now, he's not commenting further. Can you explain why Giuliani is not allowing anyone to verify the emails? I'd also suspect that there's plenty of real emails and peppered with fake ones. But sure, all Rudy has to do is divulge them.


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    #5170
    BaZmO*
    Registered Users Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    The whole Hunter Biden emails thing is just a red herring and another distraction. You could spend all day on the Trump kids and their dodgy deals and their current involvement in the administration despite having no political experience.

    I’m surprised this not got any traction. Probably because there’s been so much other stuff since.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-deal/amp


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    #5171
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I think it will be close. He could win. I dont know though.


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    #5172
    hometruths
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 5,801 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Faugheen wrote: »
    You opened with ‘I think Trump is a moron, as is Guiliani...’

    And you have proceeded to do nothing but attack Biden and accuse him of corruption because of a private company’s decision to hire his son, all while the current a White contains pretty much the entire Trump family, who have access to confidential files and national security details.

    You haven’t a word to say about that, Just that the current situation with Biden stinks and you keep peddling the nonsense anytime someone argues with you.

    Then you, who had called Trump a moron, describe them as ‘Trump haters’.

    It is the very definition of bad faith. You are fooling nobody here.

    Sitting President employs his family? He gives them a leg up by giving them a cushy jobs in the White House. Not a good look, but presumably not illegal.

    Sitting Vice President with responsibilities for US policy on Ukraine gives his son a leg up by schmoozing Ukrainian businessman. Not a good look, and presumably illegal.

    Yes I think (if true) Biden's actions are worse than Trumps and happy to state so clearly.

    Nothing bad faith about that.


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    #5173
    hometruths
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 5,801 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Biden has specifically denied via his attorney that one of the bombastic meetings didn't occur.

    Have you got a link to that?


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    #5174
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,166 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    schmittel wrote: »
    Have you got a link to that?

    You realise that nobody has actually seen these emails? All anyone has seen is screenshots.


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    #5175
    [Deleted User]
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    schmittel wrote: »
    Have you got a link to that?

    Here you go, it's pretty clearly implied that they're nonsense in general too. All Giuliani has to do is provide other news outlets with the emails to verify them. It would be a huge win for him and damage Biden's credibility. It's pretty telling when he won't.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/feds-examining-if-alleged-hunter-biden-emails-are-linked-foreign-n1243620

    "George Mesires, attorney for Hunter Biden, said in a statement, “We have no idea where this came from, and certainly cannot credit anything that Rudy Giuliani provided to the New York Post, but what I do know for certain is that this purported meeting never happened.”"


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    #5176
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,166 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    The email story was plastered all over the Fox News website when it emerged, now it’s nowhere to be seen.


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    #5177
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    MadYaker wrote: »
    You realise that nobody has actually seen these emails? All anyone has seen is screenshots.

    I'd say Rupert Murdochs legal people have seen the emails. And the meta data. And the photos. And the videos.


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    #5178
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,166 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    I'd say Rupert Murdochs legal people have seen the emails. And the meta data. And the photos. And the videos.

    That’s a nice opinion. Why do you believe they actually exist, since we haven’t seen any proof?


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    #5179
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    schmittel wrote: »
    Sitting President employs his family? He gives them a leg up by giving them a cushy jobs in the White House. Not a good look, but presumably not illegal.

    Sitting Vice President with responsibilities for US policy on Ukraine gives his son a leg up by schmoozing Ukrainian businessman. Not a good look, and presumably illegal.

    Yes I think (if true) Biden's actions are worse than Trumps and happy to state so clearly.

    Nothing bad faith about that.

    You don't need to presume, because there have already been two Republican-led Senate committee investigations that found no evidence of wrongdoing.


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    #5180
    hometruths
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 5,801 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Here you go, it's pretty clearly implied that they're nonsense in general too. All Giuliani has to do is provide other news outlets with the emails to verify them. It would be a huge win for him and damage Biden's credibility. It's pretty telling when he won't.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/feds-examining-if-alleged-hunter-biden-emails-are-linked-foreign-n1243620

    "George Mesires, attorney for Hunter Biden, said in a statement, “We have no idea where this came from, and certainly cannot credit anything that Rudy Giuliani provided to the New York Post, but what I do know for certain is that this purported meeting never happened.”"

    Sorry I thought you meant a specific denial from Joe Biden's attorney - i.e somebody talking on Joe Biden's behalf - that this meeting never took place.

    That's what I am surprised about.


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    #5181
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,571 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    A lot more than dodgy emails. 1000s of extreme photos and video footage and all verified to be from Hunter's laptop, and to be of Hunter, by Hunter's lawyer.


    I haven't seen anything to that effect yet myself. Could you post up a link?


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    #5182
    [Deleted User]
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    schmittel wrote: »
    Sorry I thought you meant a specific denial from Joe Biden's attorney - i.e somebody talking on Joe Biden's behalf - that this meeting never took place.

    That's what I am surprised about.

    The Joe Biden campaign explicitly denied it though.... It's pretty amazing that you don't seem to find it odd that Giuliani won't divulge the emails. Also worth noting that the NYP never attempted to verify any details with Biden or the campaign, that's standard practice to do.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/hunter-biden-ukraine-senate-committee-joe-biden-donald-trump-b1040279.html


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    #5183
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    MadYaker wrote: »
    That’s a nice opinion. Why do you believe they actually exist, since we haven’t seen any proof?

    The New York Post is a conservative leaning tabloid newspaper founded in 1801 and now owned by the world's biggest media mogul Rupert Murdoch. I don't read it nor am I fond of Murdoch and his ways but News Corp will have had proper teams fully investigate the Hunter Biden material before publication because they do not want to be sued. Steve Bannon, that obnoxious millenarian weirdo who has ties to other sinister people like Alexandr Dugin and all that wild end of geo political stuff, is all over this information. It is however very likely to be true that Hunter Biden's laptop has delivered gold to people like Bannon - Hunter's own lawyer wrote to the repair guy last week asking for the laptop and hard drives to be returned and Bannon has that email - and no amount of denial on here or censorship from Silicon Valley is going to hold back the deluge. Looks like really bad stuff on Hunter Biden involved, aside from the political influence emails from when Joe was VP. Seriously bad stuff I have read that does looks really bad connected to the son of a US Presidential candidate.

    I may be wrong. Time will as always tell.


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    #5184
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    osarusan wrote: »
    I haven't seen anything to that effect yet myself. Could you post up a link?

    Sky News Australia interviewed Steve Bannon a few hours ago. As I said I am not a fan of narcissist Bannon , quite the opposite, he sees himself as some kind of dharmic warrior acting out a vital role to rebalance the forces of good and evil in the world. I really find him unlikable and even dangerous. But I think he has the goods in this case. Hunter seems to be a squalid character.
    Anyways time will tell the truth. I could be wrong. But we shall see.


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    #5185
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Sky News Australia interviewed Steve Bannon a few hours ago. As I said I am not a fan of narcissist Bannon , quite the opposite, he sees himself as some kind of dharmic warrior acting out a vital role to rebalance the forces of good and evil in the world. I really find him unlikable and even dangerous. But I think he has the goods in this case. Hunter seems to be a squalid character.
    Anyways time will tell the truth. I could be wrong. But we shall see.
    What?

    This is your response to a request for evidence of your claim that "A lot more than dodgy emails. 1000s of extreme photos and video footage and all verified to be from Hunter's laptop, and to be of Hunter, by Hunter's lawyer."


    You're giving us Steve Bannon in place or Hunter Biden's lawyer!!

    Are you not embarrassed with yourself?


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    #5186
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Phoebas wrote: »
    What?

    This is your response to a request for evidence of your claim that "A lot more than dodgy emails. 1000s of extreme photos and video footage and all verified to be from Hunter's laptop, and to be of Hunter, by Hunter's lawyer."


    You're giving us Steve Bannon in place or Hunter Biden's lawyer!!

    Are you not embarrassed with yourself?

    No.
    :)


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    #5187
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,860 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I find it hard to believe anyone believes this laptop BS:
    https://www.truthorfiction.com/the-saga-of-hunter-bidens-laptop/

    If I dropped off my laptop for repair and they gave my laptop to someone else, I'd be on to the Guards.

    The owner of a computer store gets in contact with Rudy Giuliani directly because instead of repairing the laptop, he was inspecting all the files on it and immediately knew who to call.

    I'm not who you think I am. You would probably be more familliar with my real name, Jesus Christ. I know you probably don't believe me, so here is photo of me setting out from Cork, headed for France:

    JC-to-Wales.jpg


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    #5188
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    No.
    :)

    Also in relation to the rest of your post, all Giuliani has to do is allow the emails to be verified by other news outlets. The NYP have shown no indications that they've even done some basic verification.


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    #5189
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Also in relation to the rest of your post, all Giuliani has to do is allow the emails to be verified by other news outlets. The NYP have shown no indications that they've even done some basic verification.

    Eventually the emails and all the rest will be verified. Or not. Buckle up, protonmike. We are on a weird ride.


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    #5190
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,435 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Eventually the emails and all the rest will be verified. Or not. Buckle up, protonmike. We are on a weird ride.

    But why wait? Millions of Americans have already voted and continue to vote, why not get the evidence out there now to get as many Biden supporters to switch to your side.

    Instead when asked for the evidence we get nothing but very fake looking screenshot of alleged messages/emails.


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    #5191
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    But why wait? Millions of Americans have already voted and continue to vote, why not get the evidence out there now to get as many Biden supporters to switch to your side.

    Instead when asked for the evidence we get nothing but very fake looking screenshot of alleged messages/emails.


    Probably waiting for Biden to deny it (he hasn't yet), then they can hit him with the sucker punch.


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